Can anyone recommend a good strategy game?

Im after a game that offers deep involvement, The only one that ive played so far that offers this is pharoah, where you have to really look after your city. are there any games out there similar to this or better that could recommend? Im not after games like c&c or aoe where it is mainly army based

cheers

p.s also is there a strategy game that is mafia/gangster based anywhere?

Try Ceasar 3, Zeus: Master of Olympus, Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom and Children of the Nile.

Medieval 2 Total War.

Anno(or Dawn of Discovery as GS calls it):P

the "Gangsters" or "gangland" is the closest you'll come to a strategy game based on the mafia....

The Stronghold series or the setllersseries may interest you judging by what you said your looking for

Anno(or Dawn of Discovery as GS calls it):P

555SSOO

Civilization IV is epic. Very deep.

Civilization IV is epic. Very deep.

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Medieval 2 Total War.

bangell99

Anno(or Dawn of Discovery as GS calls it):P

555SSOO

Rise of Nations