Contemplating Switch to PC...Newb Needs Help

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#1 SkiLLessOne7984
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This is my very first post EVER on this site yet ive been visiting it for the last 3 years. Ive been a console gamer most of my life from the NES till today where we obviously have the 360 and PS3 so its odd that my first post is in the PC forum. My dilemma currently is that with the capabilities of games being pushed further and further ive hit a wall where I feel that even the new systems, how great they may be, I just know PC is going to be that much better. This is NOT a fanboy rant or an attempt to troll, I own a 360 with 97 games and a PS3 with well...8 games (all exclusive..heh). I work with a friend who is a pharmacist so he has a few dollars to spare and he has quite an amazing gaming rig and it just made my eyes melt when I saw it and ever since then a few days ago I have been putting together a plan to ultimately make the switch. My biggest concern is that I quite literally have NO CLUE where to start! The reason I never got into PC gaming is the common issue most hit is the fact that us not in the know feel that we have to constantly bury money into the PC to keep it current and ultimately consoles are a better choice for those lighter in the wallet. Ive had friends tell me this is not the case and that today if I wanted to I could build a PC for $500-$600 thatd be comparable to anything out in the next 2 years and would run anything at max settings. They began to make a list of items that id need to get and told me to try to get them together from newegg.com which I know is pretty popular for PC parts and such. But as I said above...I know NOTHING about PC parts and what does what and what would allow me to build something to meet my necessary requirements in order to push me over the edge and join in on gaming glory. My wife plays games with me so whatever I ultimately decide ill have to purchase two of which is fine but basically I want to know that the things I want can be achieved within reasonable means. My Wants: 1) I would like to be able to build something by end of year and play anything within at a minimum a 2 year period (not sure if realistic!) 2) I would like to somehow accomplish the above and soon to come below wants at maximum $600 3) I would still like to be able to purchase games physically cause as I said above I have almost 100 xbox games and I love to have a physical collection 4) Id like to be able to play games through my 55" LCD 1080p TV 5) I want to be able to use a standard controller but at the same time I do want to try the mouse keyboard combo to see if I can convert 6) Id like it to be at least somewhat simple process getting everything together. Dont want this to turn into building a house project =/ I cant think of much else, at least not at the moment. I sincerely appreciate every ones response if you give one and if possible will return the favor. Again thanks and look forward to your responses and time!
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#2 soolkiki
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Hey, if you take this post over to the hardware forum, you'll get a much better response and lots of guys over there who would be more than happy to help.

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#3 NeonVGame
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I second

Hey, if you take this post over to the hardware forum, you'll get a much better response and lots of guys over there who would be more than happy to help.

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Seconded, hardware forum is really the place to go.
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I'll be honest spending $500 - $600 may be doable to run games maxed for two years but at this point in time it isn't doable.  What I mean by that is (and whether people will admit this or not) the PC market is driven by console development.  With the new consoles coming out in the next 12 months it's likely we'll see a nice bump in graphics and likewise GPU demands over the next two years.  I would say if you buy a mid ranged GPU now say an AMD 7850 it will still run games 2 years from now but not maxed out and likely not even better than the new consoles. 

 

If you had built a $600 PC two years ago you'd still be laughing because things have been so stagnant.  I would argue this isn't really the best time to build and you would be better off waiting until after the new consoles are released so you can better judge what hardware is going to be required in order to run those multi plats considerably better on your PC than on the consoles. 

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Cpu = i5 3570k  ( should be around $215)

Motherboard = asrock Z77 extreme 4 ( should be around $125)

Ram = 8 gigs of DDR3 1600 megahertz 1.5 volts ( $35 bucks )

Harddrive = 1 Terabyte  ( 70-80 $)

Graphic Card =  7950, 7970 or gtx 670.    spend as much as you are willing to spend.. Or wait for the next gpu's coming out the end of this year from nvidia/amd as the price to performance ratio will be alot better.

 

Power Supply = 650 watts should do, as long as its not some no name brand or some garbage like diablo tec ..  should be around $60 -70 for a good psu

 

For the operating system ( pirate it) . Microsoft is out of their minds charging $90 for an operating system , i absolutely hateeeeeee microsoft .. Dont feel any guilt burning an iso of windows to a dvd and cracking it. 

 

 

So total expenses for a high end gaming pc

215+125+35+75+65+300 = $815 total is the least i'd spend

 

About the gamepad  = get xbox 360 controller if you really want one

for the mouse and keyboard, a logitech combo for $ 15 would do 

For playing on your HD TV. almost every gpu these days has support for HDMI

For your worry about playing games and becoming obsolete?  rubbish consolite statements .. PC's dont go obsolete. PC games have scaleable graphics for a reason. Too fit a wide variety of hardware.. 

 

Consoles do not "keep up with pcs". Never had, never will. When people say consoles keep up what they really mean is, they are surprised the game can actually play , but where the true credit lies is that the game engines have immense scaling back options to allow such crap hardware to run games.     720p, struggling 30 frames, low textures, low graphics, no AA. That is the defination of console gaming. Dont let the turds fool you, even old junk 7 year old pc hardware such as the 8800 gt released ahead of performance over a xbox 360 and STAYED ahead of performance the entire console generation .I keep hearing optimization but nothing to back up the claims with real game evidence.  PC versions are optimized .        Point is, if you get  a graphic card thats ahead of performance than the ps4 gpu. IT WILL STAY ahead of performance over the ps4 gpu. 

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It isn't really worth it for us to tell you now until you are building it within like a month or something, varying prices and newer models will affect the outcome of your computer then from now.

A simple hdmi to tv thru videocard will work for tv.

ps3 or x360 controller works. It is best for console port, racing, but fps NEEDS KB+M you won't survive online without converting there also rts NEEDS kb+m too.

It is fine for physical games, but I suggest to only buy those you really like. Virtual copies sometimes go on abrupt sales or just simply cheaper & easier to obtain than physical. Indie games are pretty much virtual too. Keep in mind you can't sell copies of pc games unlike consoles.

 

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#7 SkiLLessOne7984
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Wow thanks for all the quick responses! And the awesome detailed ones! Sorry that this is in the wrong forum, I honestly didnt even look/see the hardware forum. So $600 may be under what I should expect to spend for a good build for the next two years? I figured getting started would be the most cost heavy step in this whole process. Obviously once I make the switch ill probably be PC from here on out since ill get addicted to it. And I do understand its hard to give good pricing when I have no real timeframe on when im actually going to build it, but its good to have a ball park idea of what to expect. Im actually really really really excited to start working on this process!
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#8 Bikouchu35
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I think spending a bit more like $200-300+ will hit the sweet spot. This will easily last two years.

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My biggest concern is that I quite literally have NO CLUE where to start! The reason I never got into PC gaming is the common issue most hit is the fact that us not in the know feel that we have to constantly bury money into the PC to keep it current and ultimately consoles are a better choice for those lighter in the wallet. SkiLLessOne7984
I'm mostly a PC gamer but I do have 20 or so games on my 360 (Fight Night, GTA, Forza, etc). If you're upgrading your PC every few years or so (in particular your CPU), you will be leaving your console beyond. Even old game will run better. GTA 4, for example, runs much better on my PC - and looks better - even though I'm using a CPU that's a couple years old and a upper-mid-range video card.
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http://www.alienware.com/ if you want the best
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[QUOTE="Bieberfan147"]http://www.alienware.com/ if you want the best

The guy is on a budget, he didn't say he wanted to throw money out of the window.
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http://www.alienware.com/ if you want the bestBieberfan147

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alienware, srsly??

 

alienware is kinda like apple = they take advantage of people's lack of knowledge and sell them OVERPRICED stuff all wrapped in nice and shiny marketing.

 

just go to the hardware section and state your budget and remember that buying components is a lot cheaper

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Cpu = i5 3570k  ( should be around $215)

Motherboard = asrock Z77 extreme 4 ( should be around $125)

Ram = 8 gigs of DDR3 1600 megahertz 1.5 volts ( $35 bucks )

Harddrive = 1 Terabyte  ( 70-80 $)

Graphic Card =  7950, 7970 or gtx 670.    spend as much as you are willing to spend.. Or wait for the next gpu's coming out the end of this year from nvidia/amd as the price to performance ratio will be alot better.

 

Power Supply = 650 watts should do, as long as its not some no name brand or some garbage like diablo tec ..  should be around $60 -70 for a good psu

 

For the operating system ( pirate it) . Microsoft is out of their minds charging $90 for an operating system , i absolutely hateeeeeee microsoft .. Dont feel any guilt burning an iso of windows to a dvd and cracking it. 

 

 

So total expenses for a high end gaming pc

215+125+35+75+65+300 = $815 total is the least i'd spend

 

About the gamepad  = get xbox 360 controller if you really want one

for the mouse and keyboard, a logitech combo for $ 15 would do 

For playing on your HD TV. almost every gpu these days has support for HDMI

For your worry about playing games and becoming obsolete?  rubbish consolite statements .. PC's dont go obsolete. PC games have scaleable graphics for a reason. Too fit a wide variety of hardware.. 

 

Consoles do not "keep up with pcs". Never had, never will. When people say consoles keep up what they really mean is, they are surprised the game can actually play , but where the true credit lies is that the game engines have immense scaling back options to allow such crap hardware to run games.     720p, struggling 30 frames, low textures, low graphics, no AA. That is the defination of console gaming. Dont let the turds fool you, even old junk 7 year old pc hardware such as the 8800 gt released ahead of performance over a xbox 360 and STAYED ahead of performance the entire console generation .I keep hearing optimization but nothing to back up the claims with real game evidence.  PC versions are optimized .        Point is, if you get  a graphic card thats ahead of performance than the ps4 gpu. IT WILL STAY ahead of performance over the ps4 gpu. 

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I made you an equivalent build in the PC hardware forum for about 700$ that includes PSU, case and dvd drive.
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#15 soolkiki
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I built my computer here for about $800 and I can say the weakest link is its gpu. However, in a year or so, I can easily upgrade, so you're right in saying that buying your first rig is the biggest expense. Also, you save money by getting games when they are on sale! Steam often has games (Not usually new ones, maybe about a year old) for half the price at the time of release.

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I'll be honest spending $500 - $600 may be doable to run games maxed for two years but at this point in time it isn't doable.  What I mean by that is (and whether people will admit this or not) the PC market is driven by console development.  With the new consoles coming out in the next 12 months it's likely we'll see a nice bump in graphics and likewise GPU demands over the next two years.  I would say if you buy a mid ranged GPU now say an AMD 7850 it will still run games 2 years from now but not maxed out and likely not even better than the new consoles. 

 

If you had built a $600 PC two years ago you'd still be laughing because things have been so stagnant.  I would argue this isn't really the best time to build and you would be better off waiting until after the new consoles are released so you can better judge what hardware is going to be required in order to run those multi plats considerably better on your PC than on the consoles. 

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This is true, but as long as he gets a good processor, mobo, and an adequate power supply, it should be very easy to upgrade the GPU for about $200 2-3 years from now to be maxing most games again.