core i5 new socket???

i5 will be 1156 or something like that, it will use dual channel DDR3. I would go with i5 over Phenom II.X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]i5 will be 1156 or something like that, it will use dual channel DDR3. I would go with i5 over Phenom II.04dcarraher

Why? Because Intel can. kaitanuvax

your kidding right?? the cheapest i7 beats the phenom 2 940 and they are about the same price!pure89

the phenom II dont beat the icore7.

but they arent that far off in gaming,

and teh phenom II 970, 980, and 990 will close that gap even more.

and i plan on getting one of the new phenom II higher models once they launch later this year.

[QUOTE="kaitanuvax"]Why? Because Intel can. codezer0

Why, because one (I7) has the mch on die and is ment for the enthusiest market. While the other (I5) has ICH on die and is ment for the mainstream market. There are a few other differences as well. How would the same board work for both?artiedeadat40

i know they are in different class but intel should still use the same socket people hate to have to change mobo and ram everytime they upgrade their cpu and amd done very well on that

So you wouldn't blame that on Nvidia?X360PS3AMD05

Wow, just wow. There is so much misinformed crap here I dont even know what to say. First of all a P2 isn't even as fast a high end Yorkfield, never mind an I7. There is just no comparison there. Obviosly an i7 will be more expensive, but its not that much more than a decent P2 setup. Although I think those P2s are a good deal. Then there is the memory problems with the AM3 chipsets. http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/41322_PUB_Rev3_40v2.pdf read this if you don't belive me.

Secondly how can you blame poor bios updates on a 45nm quad not working properly on a 680i. I would never buy a Nvidia chipset again because of stuff like that. They can't even get there own drivers right.

[QUOTE="artiedeadat40"]Why, because one (I7) has the mch on die and is ment for the enthusiest market. While the other (I5) has ICH on die and is ment for the mainstream market. There are a few other differences as well. How would the same board work for both?DemetriP790

i know they are in different class but intel should still use the same socket people hate to have to change mobo and ram everytime they upgrade their cpu and amd done very well on that

How would that work? They require a different northbridge. If you put an I5 on an x58 you would have NO memory controller. That is just one of the main obvios differences.

[QUOTE="pure89"]your kidding right?? the cheapest i7 beats the phenom 2 940 and they are about the same price!codezer0

You can pick up a i7 920 from microcenter for $230 right now, you could pick up a Gigabyte X58 from newegg for $200 before rebate (hell an Asus P6T is $240), and a 3x2kit of decent ddr3 goes for around $150. Thats less than $600 by my math. Cutting edge hardware is expensive if you dont need it don't buy it. What do you think, that there wont be upgrades for an x58. Phenom 2 and Core I7 arent even in the same league, it is NO comparison.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]i5 will be 1156 or something like that, it will use dual channel DDR3. I would go with i5 over Phenom II.millerlight89

In gaming The AMD P2 940 vs the i7 920 are "almost" equal.

http://www.techspot.com/review/137-amd-phenom2-x4-940-920/page12.html

You can pick up a i7 920 from microcenter for $230 right now, you could pick up a Gigabyte X58 from newegg for $200, and a 3x2kit of decent ddr3 goes for around $150. Thats less than $600 by my math. Cutting edge hardware is expensive if you dont need it don't buy it. What do you think, that there wont be upgrades for an x58. Phenom 2 and Core I7 arent even in the same league, it is NO comparison.artiedeadat40

Of course its not a drop in upgrade. The microcenter sale is only in store pick up now. http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0300438 An Asus P6T is only $250 now ans is sli compatable. The DFI lanparty jr is $230. Im seeing tons of deals for 3x2gb ddr3 for around $150. Thats still not bad for the performance. It's a big step up from 775 and AM2/3. What would an AM2 rig cost you? It dosen't require a psu and cooling? It's still only a couple hundred dollar difference which is nothing for bleeding edge hardware.

That is the most ridiculous review that I have ever seen. Most benchmarks that I have seen show the P2 isn't even on par with a Q9550 in most games and apps especially with crossfire/sli. Im not bashing the P2. I would pick one up it's a good deal for what you are getting and I hope AMD makes some money off of this, but there is alot of miss-informed stuff here.

Of course its not a drop in upgrade. The microcenter sale is only in store pick up now. An Asus P6T is only $250 now ans is sli compatable. The DFI lanparty jr is $230. Im seeing tons of deals for 3x2gb ddr3 for around $150. Thats still not bad for the performance. It's a big step up from 775 and AM2/3. What would an AM2 rig cost you? It dosen't require a psu and cooling? It's still only a couple hundred dollar difference which is nothing for bleeding edge hardware.artiedeadat40

04 Carraher that sure a point .. you could maybe try other becnhmark tough i wonder when this review was mad
and Corezero ? a Corsair 750TX Or PC&cooling Silencer 750wats could do Core i7 975 overclocked at 5.2ghz + Two ATI HD4870x2 On techpower
and Wklzip even posted it on **news**

Also here a Benchmark Phenom II 940 Vs Core i7 With 295GTX (not 280GTX)

http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=0
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/02/11/amd-phenom-820-810-720-710-am3-cpus/5
marcthpro

That review was done in january.Well when both cpus are at stock speeds they are pretty close. Now did you see that article/video about those people overclocking that P2 940 to 6.5 Ghz? that was crazy. No doubt the i7's have the edge but most people wont spend $800-1000 just on the core of the computer and AMD has made a great cpu, and a setup that you can reuse old parts to save even more money, or even a new core setup will be under $400. Now in real world testing not with benches no one can really tell the difference in performance in games. I have a freind who has been using intel for the longest time and his last pc had a Q6600 overclocked to 3Ghz and loved it. But he ended up selling it and went to mac, then a few weeks ago he wanted a new pc. He created a list with a i7 920 and the cost ended up to be around $1800. I asked him why? when he could spend less for similar performance or get more for your money. Well at the end he ended up with an AMD P2 940 setup was able to save $450 and he bought more stuff, and he was shock how much faster it was over his Q6600@3ghz and the end he was happy.

yeah people tend to say bad things about teh Icore7,

and bad things about the Phenom II line up..

but reality is, both are great processors, and if you go with either, you will be gaming great.

now i have my eye set on the phenom II 990 3.9ghz stock speed. that will be a great single upgrade to my rig (see below)

but depending on price, i may have to settle with the Phenom II 970 3.5ghz stock speed, or the 980 (somewhere between 3.5ghz and 3.9ghz stock speed) i forgot the exact speed of the 980 P2.

then after that.

ill wait for a great lineup of dx11 GPUs to choose from, let prices drop a little, and ill be set for high-end gaming for a while.

LGA 1366 is strictly aimed at the enthusiast market and supports triple channel (6 slots) ddr3 IMC.

LGA 1166 is the mainstream version, supporting dual channel (4 slots) ddr3.

That is the difference, it's a platform that will be cheaper for the consumer, so instead of an attempt at chastizing them, appreciate that fact that they aren't forcing you into a platform that has more power then you could ever hope to use. Just wait fo the 32nm dual core cpus with 4 processing threads. That's the sweetspot. Personally, I'll be buying a 6 core 12 thread westmere when they drop to relieve my e6600 of its position.

I'm stick of them always making a new socket for every cpu line.. just improve on the current one and do socket changes rarely. And they could at least make it backwards compatible.. GPUs are always backwards compatible, no reason CPUs can't. The new socket is just an added cash grab.. STAR_Admiral

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]i5 will be 1156 or something like that, it will use dual channel DDR3. I would go with i5 over Phenom II.04dcarraher

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]i5 will be 1156 or something like that, it will use dual channel DDR3. I would go with i5 over Phenom II.Mr_NoName111

In gaming The AMD P2 940 vs the i7 920 are "almost" equal. http://www.techspot.com/review/137-amd-phenom2-x4-940-920/page12.html

LGA 1366 is strictly aimed at the enthusiast market and supports triple channel (6 slots) ddr3 IMC.

LGA 1166 is the mainstream version, supporting dual channel (4 slots) ddr3.

That is the difference, it's a platform that will be cheaper for the consumer, so instead of an attempt at chastizing them, appreciate that fact that they aren't forcing you into a platform that has more power then you could ever hope to use. Just wait fo the 32nm dual core cpus with 4 processing threads. That's the sweetspot. Personally, I'll be buying a 6 core 12 thread westmere when they drop to relieve my e6600 of its position.

Staryoshi87

Thats what i hate about intel they want you to rebuy everything for each upgrade think about it if u buy a 100 board now and have to buy a 200 board later and a 300 cpu just for the up grade or would u want to buy a 200 board now and upgrade only the cpu next time

as for the i7 and phenom II arguement phenom II and i7 are pretty similar in gaming phenom II might be abit better

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-ii-x4-920-and-940-review-test/

cpu dont matter much in gaming but however the review is done with only i gpu can u guys find a review with crossfire and sli performance with phenom II and i7

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]

LGA 1366 is strictly aimed at the enthusiast market and supports triple channel (6 slots) ddr3 IMC.

LGA 1166 is the mainstream version, supporting dual channel (4 slots) ddr3.

That is the difference, it's a platform that will be cheaper for the consumer, so instead of an attempt at chastizing them, appreciate that fact that they aren't forcing you into a platform that has more power then you could ever hope to use. Just wait fo the 32nm dual core cpus with 4 processing threads. That's the sweetspot. Personally, I'll be buying a 6 core 12 thread westmere when they drop to relieve my e6600 of its position.

DemetriP790

Thats what i hate about intel they want you to rebuy everything for each upgrade think about it if u buy a 100 board now and have to buy a 200 board later and a 300 cpu just for the up grade or would u want to buy a 200 board now and upgrade only the cpu next time

as for the i7 and phenom II arguement phenom II and i7 are pretty similar in gaming phenom II might be abit better

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-ii-x4-920-and-940-review-test/

cpu dont matter much in gaming but however the review is done with only i gpu can u guys find a review with crossfire and sli performance with phenom II and i7

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,675590/Reviews/Phenom-II-X4-for-socket-AM3-reviewed-Phenom-with-DDR3-RAM/?page=1

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/02/11/amd-phenom-820-810-720-710-am3-cpus/1

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3512&p=1

Here is some 3 way GTX280 sli

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTYwNyw1LCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

Im sure you could find some interesing benchmarks at ORB or HWBOT as well.

Just one question.

How would a Core i5 or Core2 work on a board with no memory controller?

To codezero- Thats the pot calling the kettel black, my friend. Thats my last and only responce to you.

Based on that benchmark posted, Im happy im choosing a Q9650 for my current Rig. Yea the i7 / i5's are amazing CPU's. But its alot cheaper to buy current socket sets (Which is annoying when people call it DEAD, its hardly dead people!). If you get a powerful Quad Core you can overclock it when you need to. Hell, Im planning to leapfrog the i5 /i7 socket sets lol.Joker1232003

I acctually agree with everything you just said. Im not upgrading untill sandybridge, but I would consider P2 over Core2 if I were building now and didn't want to spend too much, just because of upgrade options.

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]

LGA 1366 is strictly aimed at the enthusiast market and supports triple channel (6 slots) ddr3 IMC.

LGA 1166 is the mainstream version, supporting dual channel (4 slots) ddr3.

That is the difference, it's a platform that will be cheaper for the consumer, so instead of an attempt at chastizing them, appreciate that fact that they aren't forcing you into a platform that has more power then you could ever hope to use. Just wait fo the 32nm dual core cpus with 4 processing threads. That's the sweetspot. Personally, I'll be buying a 6 core 12 thread westmere when they drop to relieve my e6600 of its position.

DemetriP790

Thats what i hate about intel they want you to rebuy everything for each upgrade think about it if u buy a 100 board now and have to buy a 200 board later and a 300 cpu just for the up grade or would u want to buy a 200 board now and upgrade only the cpu next time

as for the i7 and phenom II arguement phenom II and i7 are pretty similar in gaming phenom II might be abit better

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-ii-x4-920-and-940-review-test/

cpu dont matter much in gaming but however the review is done with only i gpu can u guys find a review with crossfire and sli performance with phenom II and i7

What is to hate about the two systems one for ethusiants and a budget for mainstream. If you have an i7 then you aren't going to get the i5 and if you can't afford the i7 then get the i5.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]i5 will be 1156 or something like that, it will use dual channel DDR3. I would go with i5 over Phenom II.Mr_NoName111

Yeah it performs just slightly better than the Q9400 and P2 920 is about the same as Q9400. Even sometimes Q9400 can beat the P2 940 in some things. Clock for clock it gets beat from core 2 Quad. A Q6600 at 3GHz competes well with the P2 940 and is a lot cheaper.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492

Here is a site compares the Phenom II directly with Q6600 at 3Ghz.

http://icrontic.com/articles/amd-phenom-ii-review/10