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#1 alpowerfull
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I just installed two ati 4850's, I attatched the two crossfire connectors, attatched them both to the power supply, updated the drivers, but I dont know(think) that it's running in crossfire. I'm using a VGA to DVI adapter from one card to my tv (not monitor) and I think that might be the problem. 3dMark06 only mentions one gpu, and when I run dxdiag, it only mentions one gpu aswell, how can I tell for sure that I'm running these things in proper crossfire?

[img=http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/5909/3dmark06picsb7.th.jpg]

[img=http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3811/dxdiagpiccz9.th.jpg]

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#2 darkmagician06
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open up the device manager and look for 2 GPU's (right click on my computer then click manage)
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#3 alpowerfull
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I know there's 2 there, but on the ati website it says there should be 4 devices, if you dont have 4 then there's a problem

http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/software_setup.html

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#4 alpowerfull
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I think the problem may be that I need a dual dvi cord that goes to my tv, but I dont know
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#5 darkmagician06
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so you checked the "enable crossfire" button and everything? also since its a new card it might only show 2 like SLI. the real way to find out is to boot up a game and measure your FPS.

sorry i dont have much expierence with crossfire. hopefully somebody else comes along

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#6 alpowerfull
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yes it's enabled, it's just my frames weren't what I thought they should be for crysis and that's when I started to wonder, everything on high, physics on very high, AA off, my res is only 1360x768, and I was getting like 10-20 fps on the intro of crysis where they're in the ship getting ready to be dropped off
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#7 alpowerfull
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based on 3dmark06, my total was 8595 3d marks, sm2.0: 2413, hdr/sm3.0: 4491, cpu: 3360

I dont think that's what it should be with those gpu's

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#8 O_Lineman17
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It should be much much higher seeing as my friends 4850 is performing marginally better than my 8800GT, and even I get 30+ with a single slot 8800GT on Crysis with everything maxed out on 1680-1050 in the intro. There's somethin wrong buddy. I'm just not the person who knows what it is :/
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#9 alpowerfull
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I think the problem is the cord, all of these crossfire setups have this dual dvi cord that I dont have

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/379/crossfire.gif

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/286/ati_crossfire_system.jpg

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#10 andyroo08
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I think the problem is the cord, all of these crossfire setups have this dual dvi cord that I dont have

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/379/crossfire.gif

http://www.legitreviews.com/images/reviews/286/ati_crossfire_system.jpg

alpowerfull

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, I'm pretty sure that's because those cards don't use the internal crossfire bridge. All the new ati cards use it, like yours.

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#11 alpowerfull
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I think you're right

click on "internal interconnect"

http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/howitworksdemo.html

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#12 alpowerfull
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gpuz says that one card's bus interface is pci-e x16 @ x4, while the other one is pci-e x16 @ 16

is that a problem?? if so what do I do

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#13 darkmagician06
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hmmm what motherboard you using by the way
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#14 Goldmatter
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what motherboard do you have?

becasue if its P35 ( or maybe P45 ) you have one 1 connector 16x and another 4x

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http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25429&vpn=P5K%20PREMIUM%2FWIFI-AP&manufacture=ASUS
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I only have one 4850, but you need a motherboard with two PCI-E X 16 slots with both cards in and they need to be connected with the interconnect bridge/adapter.
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#17 alpowerfull
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all I know is that my motherboard box says 2x pci-e x16, and it says crossfire ready
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#18 Goldmatter
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you dont have to have two 16x slots, but there will be a performance hit if your using 16x and 4x ( which you are by the way) look up crossfire comparisons between x38 and P35 performance in google. try using one card and see what you get.
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#19 Taylorgc2004
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you dont have to have two 16x slots, but there will be a performance hit if your using 16x and 4x ( which you are by the way) look up crossfire comparisons between x38 and P35 performance in google. try using one card and see what you get.Goldmatter

True, but what is the point of doing Crossfire at all if you are going to take such a hit, no?

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#20 Wesker776
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all I know is that my motherboard box says 2x pci-e x16, and it says crossfire readyalpowerfull

One slot has a x16 electrical connection, the other only has a x4 electrical connection (that's linked to the soutbridge not the northbridge, causing high latency as well).

It's sort of a gimmick that motherboard makers use to entice potential buyers.

Can you give the entire specs of your PC?

So what problems are you having exactly?

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#21 alpowerfull
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[QUOTE="alpowerfull"]all I know is that my motherboard box says 2x pci-e x16, and it says crossfire readyWesker776

One slot has a x16 electrical connection, the other only has a x4 electrical connection (that's linked to the soutbridge not the northbridge, causing high latency as well).

It's sort of a gimmick that motherboard makers use to entice potential buyers.

Can you give the entire specs of your PC?

So what problems are you having exactly?

Q6600 CPU 2.4ghz - oc'd to 2.8ghz

P5k Deluxe Mobo

2 x diamond radeon 4850 gpu in crossfire

4gb ddr2 ram, 3.25gb used in vista 32bit

750w quad sli ready Silencer psu

back fan, side fan, cpu fan, psu fan, hdd fan, 1 fan per gpu

the problem is that I"m not getting good fps in my games or a good score in 3dmark06 and I do not have any proof anywhere that I am using crossfire

ie. Crysis: everything on high, no AA, 1360x768 res, I get 10-20 fps on the intro inside the plane before they jump, when I should be getting way better fps there

I'm going to run 3dmark vantage and see what happens there

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#22 alpowerfull
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I cant even run 3d vantage on lowest settings, and I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to be able to so...
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#23 darkmagician06
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maybe you have a bad card...send it back
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#24 alpowerfull
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how do I know if there's something wrong with it or not
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#25 boostud
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based on 3dmark06, my total was 8595 3d marks, sm2.0: 2413, hdr/sm3.0: 4491, cpu: 3360

I dont think that's what it should be with those gpu's

alpowerfull

No, something is wrong. Cause I scored 7100(ish) with an X2 5200+ and 2x 8600GT's. If thats all your getting I'm not impressed with the ATI's.

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#26 XtremeCheater
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something is gone wrong

maybe you haven't turn crossfire to on

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#27 XtremeCheater
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I got 12000 in 3dmark2006 with Q6600 3GHz 4GB RAM and single 4850

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#28 Goldmatter
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well i would first start by testing each card by just putting in one at a time and seeing what they score, they should get 10-12k with a single card, and 16-17k Xfire? just double check with some reveiwers on those figures. If one is performing bad it could be its a faulty card. I had that problem once that the card was just plain faulty and its performance was all over the place.
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#29 Wesker776
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[QUOTE="Wesker776"]

[QUOTE="alpowerfull"]all I know is that my motherboard box says 2x pci-e x16, and it says crossfire readyalpowerfull

One slot has a x16 electrical connection, the other only has a x4 electrical connection (that's linked to the soutbridge not the northbridge, causing high latency as well).

It's sort of a gimmick that motherboard makers use to entice potential buyers.

Can you give the entire specs of your PC?

So what problems are you having exactly?

Q6600 CPU 2.4ghz - oc'd to 2.8ghz

P5k Deluxe Mobo

2 x diamond radeon 4850 gpu in crossfire

4gb ddr2 ram, 3.25gb used in vista 32bit

750w quad sli ready Silencer psu

back fan, side fan, cpu fan, psu fan, hdd fan, 1 fan per gpu

the problem is that I"m not getting good fps in my games or a good score in 3dmark06 and I do not have any proof anywhere that I am using crossfire

ie. Crysis: everything on high, no AA, 1360x768 res, I get 10-20 fps on the intro inside the plane before they jump, when I should be getting way better fps there

I'm going to run 3dmark vantage and see what happens there

How much RAM do you have?

Are you sure you installed the 8.6 Catalyst Suite from scratch?

Also, download GPU-Z (google it). It should tell you whether or not CrossFire is enabled. This seems like some sort of software proble, rather than a hardware problem (either your Windows install is borked, or you've got something that's disrupting the ATI drivers).

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#30 alpowerfull
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Ok so the problem turned out that my processor was holding the gpu's back or something, so I bought a cpu heatsink and I have to over clock it

this guy I know oc'd it for me from 2.4 to 3.0 3dmark went up 20 fps and it was like heaven was opened up

so I just need some tips in oc'ing, all I know is I do it in the bios

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#31 matrixian
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Download cpuz and check your cpu frequency.

Chances are that Intel SpeedStep (EIST) is enabled. Enter your Bios and disable it if it isn't yet. EIST decreases your cpu frequency for lower power consumption.

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#32 alpowerfull
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Download cpuz and check your cpu frequency.

Chances are that Intel SpeedStep (EIST) is enabled. Enter your Bios and disable it if it isn't yet. EIST decreases your cpu frequency for lower power consumption.

matrixian

I've oc'd in the bios to 2.8ghz, and I still get 10-20 fps in the Crysis intro, and I still cant run 3dmark vantage

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#33 olidlidou
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[QUOTE="matrixian"]

Download cpuz and check your cpu frequency.

Chances are that Intel SpeedStep (EIST) is enabled. Enter your Bios and disable it if it isn't yet. EIST decreases your cpu frequency for lower power consumption.

alpowerfull

I've oc'd in the bios to 2.8ghz, and I still get 10-20 fps in the Crysis intro, and I still cant run 3dmark vantage

you need vista SP1 to run 3dmark vantage

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#34 alpowerfull
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something's screwy with xfire, I just tested crysis without xfire enabled in ccc and I got better fps than when it was enabled...
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#35 matrixian
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Get the 4800 series hotfix if you haven't already, it might help.
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that did nothing