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#1 kaskus
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im planning to play uncharted waters online using CRT

im just wondering..

What difference do i get if i played a game using crt with a decent graphic card? vice versa

does CRT have limited hues and saturation than LCD??

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If it's one of the later aperture grille designs like an FD Trinitron or Diamondtron NF, then you'll likely have something BETTER than an LCD when properly calibrated (though a lot of FD Trinitrons have issues with color tints and too much G2 voltage causing overbrightness, but it can be fixed if you know how to use WinDAS or the color restore feature in the OSD does its job). It's like having the image quality of S-IPS/H-IPS and AFFS with the refresh rates of certain TN panels and next to no input lag, albeit with none of the aesthetic appeal of a flat panel and somewhat higher power consumption. As for hues and saturation, it'll probably be higher than TN, but not as much as a pro-grade IPS with RGBLED backlighting or one of those new rear-projection Laser DLP displays...both of which are extremely expensive and probably overkill for gaming.
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#3 markop2003
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CRTs are great if they don't hurt your eyes and you have the space for them.
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#4 kaskus
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yeah CRTs are nice..but i am afraid about im hearing news about CRT's they say it causes cancer and they give infertility anyways please visit my blog, about my experience on CRT http://www.gamespot.com/users/kaskus/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-25860370&tag=all-about%3Bblog1
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#5 wael3000
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LCD

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#6 YoungSinatra25
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CRT >>>>>>>>>>> LCD. I find standard LCD tech subpar for most viewing other then web surfing. Good PQ but overall piss poor performance. (moition blur, off-angle viewing, flashlighting, low contrast ratio, etc) Things other tech doesn't have a problem with...
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CRT >>>>>>>>>>> LCD. I find standard LCD tech subpar for most viewing other then web surfing. Good PQ but overall piss poor performance. (moition blur, off-angle viewing, flashlighting, low contrast ratio, etc) Things other tech doesn't have a problem with...YoungSinatra25

Only low quality LCDs suffer from that. I'll still take LCD over CRT anyway, mostly cause of the desk space I save, heat/power consumption, and eye strain. CRT has the best picture, but to me it isn't comfortable to use for more than an hour.

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#8 kyledance01
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I think LCD is better.
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#9 KHAndAnime
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A good LCD is all you need. It has good picture quality combined with convenience and elegance. Really, the only jump after LCD is Plasma.
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#10 rastan
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LCD

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Useless post.
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#11 rastan
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The better CRT's are better than any fixed pixel display out there. They can do multiple resolution natively, have excellent contrast, great color, etc. Their downfall was their size, weight, and expense in larger screen sizes. If you already have CRT and the size doesn't bother you, then likely you will not gain anything upgrading to an LCD in terms of PQ.
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if you need space get an lcd or plasma but it wont matter if you dont

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#13 TheRedStrike
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i didn't even know people still use those TVs wth xD

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The better CRT's are better than any fixed pixel display out there. They can do multiple resolution natively, have excellent contrast, great color, etc. Their downfall was their size, weight, and expense in larger screen sizes. If you already have CRT and the size doesn't bother you, then likely you will not gain anything upgrading to an LCD in terms of PQ.rastan
I don't know about that. There are a LOT of bad CRT monitors out there. Unless you made an effort to buy a particularly good CRT - chances are that your current CRT isn't as good as a decent LCD monitor.
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i didn't even know people still use those TVs wth xD

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were talking pc monitors not tvs but just to let you know lots of people still use CRT TVs both for old consoles and they cant afford a new one
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Up until around 2007-2008 I would have recommended any avid gamer take a good CRT over a good LCD any day of the week. Anymore your CRT selection has dwindled to basically extreme budget CRTs for poor folks : \ Id have to say buy an LCD. For the most part screen blur, ghosting, and the plethora of other disabilities LCDs once had are gone. They also boast much larger sizes which help make high resolution gaming that much better. I have 2 very good Viewsonic G90fbs sitting on my desk. 19'' of 1920x1440(x2) goodness for game playing. I have customized them by tearing off the huge bezel so that they literally sit side by side no gap. Would I recommend them now? Nope. If your buying a monitor today go with a top of the line LCD. This comes from someone who freaking LOVES CRTS GAHHHHHHHH
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Coldfire, KHAndAnime, rastan, nameless and youngsinatra all make good points. I don't think anybody will argue that CRTs are less versatile than other display types since they are the only commonly availalbe non-fixed res displays. However, factors like eye strain, size, price, burn-in, etc all exist. The other day I played an HD video on a commercial arcade 27" monitor I have. Although the resolution was only 800x600, I had forgotten how nice video looked on a CRT since I hadn't actually watched TV on a CRT is so long.

That being said, I really don't miss em. Sure LCDs are fixed resolution, but a perk of PC gaming is you can set the render resolution of your game to match your display. As long as your PC is beefy enough to drive that nice 1920x1200 screen then that's really not a disadvantage. DOSBox games are of course another story...

I would compare the transition to the move from vinyl to CD. CDs weren't better in every way, but they were better in enough ways to replace vinyl as the prevailing standard. A good CRT is about the best picture you can get, but there are number of other display types that look pretty damned good. I recently got a new Alienware m17x r2 with a 1920x1200 RGB LED backlit LCD screen. The color on it blows away my other LCDs.

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Im still quite a crt enthusiast, currently using the almighty 24" fw900 thats still going very strong, and hope to use it for as long as i can. The things that make me prefer crts over modern lcds arent really the colors, contrast, resolution scalability(though those are nice factors), etc, but specifically input lag and refresh rates. Alot of people will argue that modern lcds are just as good as crts when it comes to input lag, but from my experience with recent lcd's, thats just plain wrong. As for refresh rates, its good to see there are finally some lcd manufacturers coming out with 120hz models, which make a world of difference in all games for me. But all the other general performance factors still make me lean heavily in crt's favor, but specifically high end crt's, which unfortunately and expectantly becoming harder and harder to find at a decent price.
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Funny that you mention input lag, because the game room at my university has what appear to be a plasma and an LCD HDTV-definitely flat-panels, but I've only noticed faint OSD burn-in on one of them that seems to go away after normal use. All I know is that they're LG, with a native res of 1366x768. The input lag on them both is atrocious, albeit slightly less so on the plasma. How can I tell? It became VERY obvious when playing fighting games, or even just scrolling through menus. Worse off, I can't find an OSD option to disable it. I'm not the only one who notices, either. The type of input doesn't matter; HDMI from a PS3 suffered from it, and so did VGA from my notebook (no, it doesn't have DVI or HDMI). I don't think composite fared any better, either. At least the display in my notebook, as lousy a TN/CCFL panel as it is, does not seem to have perceptible input lag.
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Ya ive been highly considering picking up the xbox vga cord to hook up the xbox to my monitor specifically to get that extra edge in fighting games and an assortment of shmups i plan to get :P. I definitely do feel the input lag regularly on my plasma with fighting games and a handful of other quick moving games, though not nearly as noticeable when playing an fps w/ kb&m on it with my computer hooked up to it...thats just plain awful :lol:
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]If it's one of the later aperture grille designs like an FD Trinitron or Diamondtron NF, then you'll likely have something BETTER than an LCD when properly calibrated (though a lot of FD Trinitrons have issues with color tints and too much G2 voltage causing overbrightness, but it can be fixed if you know how to use WinDAS or the color restore feature in the OSD does its job). It's like having the image quality of S-IPS/H-IPS and AFFS with the refresh rates of certain TN panels and next to no input lag, albeit with none of the aesthetic appeal of a flat panel and somewhat higher power consumption. As for hues and saturation, it'll probably be higher than TN, but not as much as a pro-grade IPS with RGBLED backlighting or one of those new rear-projection Laser DLP displays...both of which are extremely expensive and probably overkill for gaming.

YES! i totally agree,i had a sony trinitron 2005 model (i think) and i recently bought a panasonic 42" plasma and i was very dissapointend to find out that with the xbox 360 and a RGB cable the panadonic had worse PQ over hdmi compared to the sony SD crt,i can't believe how over hyped HD is when compared to a good quality crt.ok if u got a crt from the 1980's or 1990's then the pq is going to be crap compared to a hd lcd or plasma,but compared one of the last genertion crt's to even 2010 model lcd and plasma's then you will find crt has many improvement's.The colour and sharpness can't be beat on a sony trinitron.much crisper and vibrant,only led lcd's hold up against crt's but they cost a bomb at the moment.
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[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]If it's one of the later aperture grille designs like an FD Trinitron or Diamondtron NF, then you'll likely have something BETTER than an LCD when properly calibrated (though a lot of FD Trinitrons have issues with color tints and too much G2 voltage causing overbrightness, but it can be fixed if you know how to use WinDAS or the color restore feature in the OSD does its job). It's like having the image quality of S-IPS/H-IPS and AFFS with the refresh rates of certain TN panels and next to no input lag, albeit with none of the aesthetic appeal of a flat panel and somewhat higher power consumption. As for hues and saturation, it'll probably be higher than TN, but not as much as a pro-grade IPS with RGBLED backlighting or one of those new rear-projection Laser DLP displays...both of which are extremely expensive and probably overkill for gaming.blacktorn
YES! i totally agree,i had a sony trinitron 2005 model (i think) and i recently bought a panasonic 42" plasma and i was very dissapointend to find out that with the xbox 360 and a RGB cable the panadonic had worse PQ over hdmi compared to the sony SD crt,i can't believe how over hyped HD is when compared to a good quality crt.ok if u got a crt from the 1980's or 1990's then the pq is going to be crap compared to a hd lcd or plasma,but compared one of the last genertion crt's to even 2010 model lcd and plasma's then you will find crt has many improvement's.The colour and sharpness can't be beat on a sony trinitron.much crisper and vibrant,only led lcd's hold up against crt's but they cost a bomb at the moment.

Plasma > LED-LCDs. If you wanna see how good 1080p sets are, use a true 1080p source like Blu-Rays or PC games.

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[QUOTE="blacktorn"][QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"]If it's one of the later aperture grille designs like an FD Trinitron or Diamondtron NF, then you'll likely have something BETTER than an LCD when properly calibrated (though a lot of FD Trinitrons have issues with color tints and too much G2 voltage causing overbrightness, but it can be fixed if you know how to use WinDAS or the color restore feature in the OSD does its job). It's like having the image quality of S-IPS/H-IPS and AFFS with the refresh rates of certain TN panels and next to no input lag, albeit with none of the aesthetic appeal of a flat panel and somewhat higher power consumption. As for hues and saturation, it'll probably be higher than TN, but not as much as a pro-grade IPS with RGBLED backlighting or one of those new rear-projection Laser DLP displays...both of which are extremely expensive and probably overkill for gaming.ChubbyGuy40

YES! i totally agree,i had a sony trinitron 2005 model (i think) and i recently bought a panasonic 42" plasma and i was very dissapointend to find out that with the xbox 360 and a RGB cable the panadonic had worse PQ over hdmi compared to the sony SD crt,i can't believe how over hyped HD is when compared to a good quality crt.ok if u got a crt from the 1980's or 1990's then the pq is going to be crap compared to a hd lcd or plasma,but compared one of the last genertion crt's to even 2010 model lcd and plasma's then you will find crt has many improvement's.The colour and sharpness can't be beat on a sony trinitron.much crisper and vibrant,only led lcd's hold up against crt's but they cost a bomb at the moment.

Plasma > LED-LCDs. If you wanna see how good 1080p sets are, use a true 1080p source like Blu-Rays or PC games.

Well i don't watch movies so much and i will not pay so much for a video card to run pc games at 1080p nor have it hooked up to my 42" hdtv,maybe in the next gen when the next xbox and ps3 output all at 1080p i'd appreciate HD more,but at the moment im not.