Crysis 2 - Slower gameplay and weaker nanosuit

As much as I like Crysis 2[spoiler] FPS GOTY for me 8) [/spoiler] The gameplay is slower compared to Crysis because of the weaker nanosuit and simplified design.... you can no longer run very fast or kill an entire squad with your own hands... the freedom/versatility of the nanosuit is no longer at the same level as crysis 1 and that is what hurts the most:(

Hopefully by watching this video you will understand what I mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHv7Laj3JiM

"We also like the more complex nanosuit of the original" gameradar

"While it mirrors the capabilities of the first game's suit, this set of nanotech-pajamas actually feels less advanced. Sprint is noticeably slower than it was before, enough to diminish the sense of being genuinely superhuman. Likewise, super jump feels less like an expression of pure power—not because I couldn't leap like a human grasshopper, but because the levels are obviously designed to be traversed by a character who can reach an exact value on the Y-axis. This careful calibration makes every jump feel the same, and takes away the feeling of power you get from navigating a world built for a normal man in a god-like way

Worse is the omission of a dedicated strength mode and of fists as a selectable weapon. There's a melee bash attack, but it's not the same as leveling an enemy with a super-powered fist. It's subtle stuff—and some of it may be necessary to balance the game—but it sums to a feeling that simplifying the Nanosuit, while promoting accessibility, eliminates some of the ridiculous, emergent, purposefully overpowered stuff I did in Crysis." --PCGAMER

i'd also give my vote of fps goty to bulletstorm, but lets wait for rage

The game is slower. But simplified design? really...

And that video proves nothign except for how passive the enemy ai is in Crysis. They're literally just standing around doing nothing whilst he's running around raping them left and right. I saw him pick one korean soldier up and chuck him right past another korean soldier. And the other korean soldier was djust standing there.

Look: 10:23 on the video.

The game is slower. But simplified design? really...

And that video proves nothign except for how passive the enemy ai is in Crysis. They're literally just standing around doing nothing whilst he's running around raping them left and right. I saw him pick one korean soldier up and chuck him right past another korean soldier. And the other korean soldier was djust standing there.

Look: 10:23 on the video.

ShimmerMan

Now... about the nanosuit in Crysis 2

PCGAMER said it best:

"While it mirrors the capabilities of the first game's suit, this set of nanotech-pajamas actually feels less advanced. Sprint is noticeably slower than it was before, enough to diminish the sense of being genuinely superhuman. Likewise, super jump feels less like an expression of pure power—not because I couldn't leap like a human grasshopper, but because the levels are obviously designed to be traversed by a character who can reach an exact value on the Y-axis. This careful calibration makes every jump feel the same, and takes away the feeling of power you get from navigating a world built for a normal man in a god-like way

Worse is the omission of a dedicated strength mode and of fists as a selectable weapon. There's a melee bash attack, but it's not the same as leveling an enemy with a super-powered fist. It's subtle stuff—and some of it may be necessary to balance the game—but it sums to a feeling that simplifying the Nanosuit, while promoting accessibility, eliminates some of the ridiculous, emergent, purposefully overpowered stuff I did in Crysis." -- Pcgamer

I'm really failing to understand how being able to move quicker, and being able to jump around mash up the ai with a lot of ease. Is a good thing? yes ok maybe Crysis1 is more versatile in how the player character moves. He's quicker and can jump higher. But how does this translate into good gameplay? And into it being better than Crysis2? It's not better than Crysis2, It's just different to Crysis2 - that is all.

The Ai in Crysis2 can get quite buggy that is for sure, I won't deny that. But at least it's not as passive as what was shown in that video. In fact I haven't played Crysis in about a year and I didn't even remember the ai was as bad as that. That guy was virtually just restealing in front of enemies, and they did nothing but run to the spot where he last was. He would then come out of stealth, punch a few enemies, restealth and the other enemies were just standing around spectating. It all looked fairly bad in imo.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

I'm really failing to understand how being able to move quicker, and being able to jump around mash up the ai with a lot of ease. Is a good thing? yes ok maybe Crysis1 is more versatile in how the player character moves. He's quicker and can jump higher. But how does this translate into good gameplay? And into it being better than Crysis2? It's not better than Crysis2, It's just different to Crysis2 - that is all.

The Ai in Crysis2 can get quite buggy that is for sure, I won't deny that. But at least it's not as passive as what was shown in that video. In fact I haven't played Crysis in about a year and I didn't even remember the ai was as bad as that. That guy was virtually just restealing in front of enemies, and they did nothing but run to the spot where he last was. He would then come out of stealth, punch a few enemies, restealth and the other enemies were just standing around spectating. It all looked fairly bad in imo.

devious742

Stop bringing up the AI in that video:roll:because it seems you got the point "yes ok maybe Crysis1 is more versatile"

I never said anything about Crysis being better than Crysis2?:? it seems to me like you are blindedly defending any bad points that Crysis 2 might have..

And I'm not blindly defending any bad points against Crysis2. I have criticized the Ai in Crysis2 many times in various threads. I just don't agree with your post.

And btw your signature quote on PC Gamer is too big and your text is anoying.

If this is not a "bash Crysis2" thread. Then why are you using words such as "simplified design". How is being able to jump around in a overpowered nanosuit and being able to kill stupid ai complex design exactly? balance is complex, not unbalance.

And I'm not blindly defending any bad points against Crysis2. I have criticized the Ai in Crysis2 many times in various threads. I just don't agree with your post.

And btw your signature quote on PC Gamer is too big and your text is anoying.

ShimmerMan

"The biggest change from Crysis to Crysis 2 are the controls; more specifically the tailoring of every action in the game to craft a simpler, console-friendly setup"

"The new simplified controls of Crysis 2 are an elegant solution to the slightly complex setup of the first game"

"You might argue that the previous PC controls cultivated more creativity in battle, but the combat sandbox in the sequel still offers plenty of impressive moments."

1up

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

If this is not a "bash Crysis2" thread. Then why are you using words such as "simplified design". How is being able to jump around in a overpowered nanosuit and being able to kill stupid ai complex design exactly? balance is complex, not unbalance.

And I'm not blindly defending any bad points against Crysis2. I have criticized the Ai in Crysis2 many times in various threads. I just don't agree with your post.

And btw your signature quote on PC Gamer is too big and your text is anoying.

devious742

"The biggest change from Crysis to Crysis 2 are the controls; more specifically the tailoring of every action in the game to craft a simpler, console-friendly setup"

"The new simplified controls of Crysis 2 are an elegant solution to the slightly complex setup of the first game"

"You might argue that the previous PC controls cultivated more creativity in battle, but the combat sandbox in the sequel still offers plenty of impressive moments."

1up

I'm really not seeing how these changes simplified the gameplay. I mean they don't dramatically harm the complexity of the game. And I also believe Crytek added these changes not for console controls. But because it's simply better more streamlined design. Jumping onto a roof and seeing your characters hands grab the ledge and pull up, by simply holding down the jump button. It just looks and feels better than switching into powermode and doing a basic power infused high jump. And the melee in the game is the same. Instead of stealthing behind a enemy and just hitting them with a punch or rifle butt. You now can perform stealth kills, neck breaks. I dont think this is consolization or dumbing down, or trying to take away complexity. They're just trying to up the production values and overall presentation.

And Crysis2 is a much different game to Crysis1. The Speed and power modes in Crysis would not work in this game. Crysis2 is more of a video game, in that it's balanced and has proper pacing. Where as Crysis1 is more of a sandbox, in that you jump around and do whatever you want. Different games. But in terms of complexity I find I'm doing more thinking with Crysis 2 on post-warrior than I did with Crysis1. So I don't agree about the lack of complexity and general "dumbing down" logic. Sure Crysis2 has less freedom, but less complexity? Worse gameplay? I don't think so. These are just my views and you have your own. So lets just leave it at that.

The game is slower. But simplified design? really...

And that video proves nothign except for how passive the enemy ai is in Crysis. They're literally just standing around doing nothing whilst he's running around raping them left and right. I saw him pick one korean soldier up and chuck him right past another korean soldier. And the other korean soldier was djust standing there.

Look: 10:23 on the video.

ShimmerMan

Ive played about 4 hrs of Crysis 2 and the enemies do their fair share of standing around looking stupid while I take out their buddies. I mean surely if they know the capabilities of the nanosuit they're hunting down they wouldnt all be dumbfounded when I cloak all the time. Logically the enemy should blind fire in the area where you cloak, since its not like you can teleport. Im not sure who CELL are but I think arent they supposed to be some elite forces group? They're pretty stupid over all.

Logically the enemy should blind fire in the area where you cloak

bonafidetk

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

Logically the enemy should blind fire in the area where you cloak

AnnoyedDragon

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

Stealth is not very good in this game though.

As soon as an enemy even catches a glimpse of you everyone just starts shooting. And they see you...trough walls, trough fences, trough some stuff they shouldn't see you. They're unnaturaly observant.

And due to the console tight FOV and huge gun and hands, the bloom, you can't spot all the enemies. If you uncloak to recharge, chances are someone's gonna see you.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

Logically the enemy should blind fire in the area where you cloak

AnnoyedDragon

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

Logically the enemy should blind fire in the area where you cloak

bonafidetk

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

Logically the enemy should blind fire in the area where you cloak

bonafidetk

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

That is in fact wrong.. They do blind fire constantly if they see you cloak in the area... As it stands the AI is nothing worse than what I have seen in Crysis 1.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

sSubZerOo

That is in fact wrong.. They do blind fire constantly if they see you cloak in the area... As it stands the AI is nothing worse than what I have seen in Crysis 1.

Yeah, anyone who used the first suit correctly should feel how much worse the controls are in Crysis 2. For instance I could easily do awesome stuff like pick up a barrel, jump and then throw it at someone in mid-air. Or could pick up a korean and use him as a human sheild. In Crysis 2 that barely works because first of all i have to "charge" before I can throw which takes time, then I slowly hurl the object that doesn't fly more than a few feet. Speed mode is gone, so I can't do quick escapes or jump stunts, Instead regular sprint costs energy which makes me even more of a tank. Not to mention armor mode makes me slower and overpowered. The only improvements are ledge grab and slide.

Yeah, anyone who used the first suit correctly should feel how much worse the controls are in Crysis 2. For instance I could easily do awesome stuff like pick up a barrel, jump and then throw it at someone in mid-air. Or could pick up a korean and use him as a human sheild. In Crysis 2 that barely works because first of all i have to "charge" before I can throw which takes time, then I slowly hurl the object that doesn't fly more than a few feet. Speed mode is gone, so I can't do quick escapes or jump stunts, Instead regular sprint costs energy which makes me even more of a tank. Not to mention armor mode makes me slower and overpowered. The only improvements are ledge grab and slide.

FatSlasH

Yeah, anyone who used the first suit correctly should feel how much worse the controls are in Crysis 2. For instance I could easily do awesome stuff like pick up a barrel, jump and then throw it at someone in mid-air. Or could pick up a korean and use him as a human sheild. In Crysis 2 that barely works because first of all i have to "charge" before I can throw which takes time, then I slowly hurl the object that doesn't fly more than a few feet. Speed mode is gone, so I can't do quick escapes or jump stunts, Instead regular sprint costs energy which makes me even more of a tank. Not to mention armor mode makes me slower and overpowered. The only improvements are ledge grab and slide.

FatSlasH

I would argue that all the "cool" stuff you could do in the first game just wasn't practical 95% of the time.

I would also add kicking cars and other heavy objects under improvements. Kicking is awesome.GeneralShowzer

Yeah, but the problem is you have to charge for that too and by the time the kick is charged up the enemy has already passed by the car :/

It has to be quick, timing is important

Weakened nano suit? Are we playing the same game here? The nano suit is far more game changing than ever.. With armor actually feeling like armor.. And speed and strength being something you didn't need to choose.. It wasn't practical.. And slower gameplay? Crysis never had fast gameplay to begin with, you had to go slow especially at high difficulties because you were always heavily outnmbered.sSubZerOo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHv7Laj3JiM&feature=player_detailpage#t=69s

And speed and strength being something you didn't need to choose.. It wasn't practical.. And slower gameplay?sSubZerOo

Strength mode is now obsolete since its replaced by a cumbersome and slower enemy grab.. you can no longer run very fast and punch a person with strength mode on(watch the vid above^^) The nanosuit from crysis was more creative when used to its full potential.

Yeah, anyone who used the first suit correctly should feel how much worse the controls are in Crysis 2. For instance I could easily do awesome stuff like pick up a barrel, jump and then throw it at someone in mid-air. Or could pick up a korean and use him as a human sheild. In Crysis 2 that barely works because first of all i have to "charge" before I can throw which takes time, then I slowly hurl the object that doesn't fly more than a few feet. Speed mode is gone, so I can't do quick escapes or jump stunts, Instead regular sprint costs energy which makes me even more of a tank. Not to mention armor mode makes me slower and overpowered. The only improvements are ledge grab and slide.

FatSlasH

the ones defending crysis 2 suit are either fanboys or people who really never used the suit like it was supossed

Most people are quick to dismiss Strenght and Speed mode simply because they felt that they were useless in the first one. I find that they were the most skill intensive modes that you could play with, and that's why most people didn't know how to use them. They were very useful and possibly a lot more powerful than cloak mode if you knew how to use them properly.

The thing that annoyed me the most was that in the 2nd the physics barely worked/existed. The few objects that you can throw require a huge amount of energy to go far enough and the physics applied to the object seemed cheap, on par with the ones in Doom 3. You can't throw enemies onto other ones, they just clip over the others and die. Every second you hold an enemy you lose a huge amount of energy, you lose more when you throw them.

The problem is that after a while the game encourages you to ground yourself to your weapons. Everytime you shoot in the game you instinctively pop the sights. You select the weapons that are more fit for the next encounter. It lost a lot of the little things that were fun in the first one.

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I'm starting to rant now.

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But it seens that the gameplay was affected by 2 things, lack of buttons and the need for a slower pace in combat so that the gamepads could be up to par. You can very clearly see that the gameplay was designed around gamepads when you have to rotate the turrets of those APCs. Enemy design gives it away too. Yeah, the nanosuit is weaker and slower.

Most people are quick to dismiss Strenght and Speed mode simply because they felt that they were useless in the first one. I find that they were the most skill intensive modes that you could play with, and that's why most people didn't know how to use them. They were very useful and possibly a lot more powerful than cloak mode if you knew how to use them properly.

The thing that annoyed me the most was that in the 2nd the physics barely worked/existed. The few objects that you can throw require a huge amount of energy to go far enough and the physics applied to the object seemed cheap, on par with the ones in Doom 3. You can't throw enemies onto other ones, they just clip over the others and die. Every second you hold an enemy you lose a huge amount of energy, you lose more when you throw them.

The problem is that after a while the game encourages you to ground yourself to your weapons. Everytime you shoot in the game you instinctively pop the sights. You select the weapons that are more fit for the next encounter. It lost a lot of the little things that were fun in the first one.

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I'm starting to rant now.

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But it seens that the gameplay was affected by 2 things, lack of buttons and the need for a slower pace in combat so that the gamepads could be up to par. You can very clearly see that the gameplay was designed around gamepads when you have to rotate the turrets of those APCs. Enemy design gives it away too. Yeah, the nanosuit is weaker and slower.

Masculus

i'd also give my vote of fps goty to bulletstorm, but lets wait for rage

Krelian-co

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

Logically the enemy should blind fire in the area where you cloak

AnnoyedDragon

Don't they? I'd be surprised if they don't, they did that in the first game.

They do.

If you try to sneak by an enemy while cloaked, they will often spot you (and say "huh?"). They will notice

your uncloaking and call that out to their mates.

I have no idea where people get this idea that the nanosuit is "weaker". All the functions

are there, and the two you will need the most, namely cloak and armor, are right their at your finger tips.

Armor needs to be used judiciously since it drains quite quickly. The urban evironment requires tactical gameplay,

and you can't just always and casually "hide somewhere and wait for your health to regenerate".

The great thing about the stealth mode in C2 is that you often don't know whether your cloak is gonna last you until you've actually reached a safe area.

Sometimes you'll be looking at the dreaded red bar flashing on the lower right of your screen while still in the middle of the street surrounded by enemies. And all of a sudden your "stealth strategy" turns into a frantic firefight, with you trying to desperately trying to hold on to your last sliver of health, while trying to regen your suit.

One thing I'm missing is a better "snap to cover" system.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Already agreed. But yes, Crysis 2 has that slow weighty feel to it. Like Killzone 2 has. I don't like it. Crysis was way better. FPS of the year so far for me is Bulletstorm, but i think Rage will surprise me. There's also BF3.Advid-Gamer

Didn't really want to support Crytek, but whatever, I've supported worse.

I don't think it's selling as intended anyway.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Already agreed. But yes, Crysis 2 has that slow weighty feel to it. Like Killzone 2 has. I don't like it. Crysis was way better. FPS of the year so far for me is Bulletstorm, but i think Rage will surprise me. There's also BF3.GeneralShowzer

Cool, at least you are giving a fair chance. I find crysis to be the overall better game, but I prefer crysis2 gameplay. Crysis1 had a cool story, I dont know why people are saying crysis2 had a awesome story, I found it to be almost nonexistent till almost the end of the game. Try ii on the hardest difficulty if you enjoy the game enough, I found normal to be mindnumbly easy and you can rambo everything, on the hardest you actually use the visor to scout and plan but I am a few levels in and it is not that hard yet, but I expect it to get bad when the aliens show up.Looking forward to dx11 so I can actually use my $400 dx11 card I just bought for almost nothing it seems like at the moment.

You have to understand that the new Nanosuit was designed to accomodate the smaller and more crowded maps in Crysis 2. The smaller space and numerous objects would make moving around as fast as you could in the original Crysis very cumbersome; you'd constantly be bumping into things. Hence, it makes sense that the newwer suit is slower.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Did you finially get the game, or is that from the 10 min you saw at a friends house?Advid-Gamer

Cool, at least you are giving a fair chance. I find crysis to be the overall better game, but I prefer crysis2 gameplay. Crysis1 had a cool story, I dont know why people are saying crysis2 had a awesome story, I found it to be almost nonexistent till almost the end of the game. Try ii on the hardest difficulty if you enjoy the game enough, I found normal to be mindnumbly easy and you can rambo everything, on the hardest you actually use the visor to scout and plan but I am a few levels in and it is not that hard yet, but I expect it to get bad when the aliens show up.Looking forward to dx11 so I can actually use my $400 dx11 card I just bought for almost nothing it seems like at the moment.

Honestly it doesn't seem much slower to me

Game is slower paced for sure. Here is what's wrong with Crysis 2:

4. story is completely stupid, TEH NANOSUIT IS MAKING A RECOVERY SOMETHING YET SUPERCOMPUTERS CAN'T DO IT

5. Game takes control of you every 1 second, the guy who is trying to kill you, you can't kill.

6. WHY CANT I JUST SAY IM NOT PROPHET IN THE FIRST 2 SECONDS OF THE GAME

7.Only like 1 path to ever go, when this helocpter crashes into the building, there are over 9000 exists, except you can only leave through one, WHY?!

8. Why can't I shoot zombie people?

9. Graphics are meh

JigglyWiggly_

4. Is explained in the game

5. Alcatraz has no clue how to use the nanosuit, that's why it takes over and teaches him during the first levels

6. Is explained in the game

7. Hell no. You can't use all doors, but there's no game that lets you do that

8. Because Crytek are based in Germany

9. No. Just wait 'till you reach Central Station. It's the best looking game ever made.

I just bought Crysis 2 today. So far, I like it. The going is a lot slower. I wasn't surprised. After all, urban warfare makes the going a lot slower. On the flipside, there's plenty of cover to use without having to resort to the suit.

4. How is that explained? It's explained so badly. UR NANO SUIT HAS SUPER PWRZ
5. No clue how to use the nano suit? I am talking about how when u just randomly lower your gun for no reason and start moving super slowly, it's like LET ME GO GAME. 6. No it's not.
7. Crysis 1 you could shoot some of the buildings down.
8. GTFO lame germany
9. It's not best game, modded Crysis 1 is better.

Also this game is just a MW2 wannabe, yet MW2 knows what it wants to do. That game is over the top, and the whole game follows that way. Crysis 2 is like DO I WANT TO BE OVER THE TOP OR LIKE NOT OR JUST CONSOLIZED

ALSO I don't get why the game makes blood splurt out of people after you shoot them, if blood goes gushing, then I'd think they would be about to die/unable to fight.

PEOPLE JUST DUN START GUSHING BLOODS WHEN U SHOOT THEM

Honestly it doesn't seem much slower to me

strangeisland

That was absolutely awesome.

I must be the only one the prefers the suit in Crysis 2. It just feels much more fluid and powerful.

You can power jump/run while cloaked/armored. Need to eliminate some sway while sniping? Just hit shift! Instead of hitting the middle mouse button, switching to strength, firing once, then switching back to armor. Or when it comes to uncloak, shoot, cloak... it's just a lot easier to do. It's awesome they combined power/speed, since it really never made any sense why they weren't linked in the first one. You couldn't do anything cool without some unnatural feeling mouse movement to activate another suit mode. The armor mode in Crysis 2 lets you take armored mechs head on. The armor mode in Crysis 1 lets you take 2 or 3 extra bullets from an enemy. The strength mode in crysis 2 lets you kick cars. The strength mode in crysis 1 lets you pick up a washing machine and throw it a couple of feet. Hard to understand where all these comments are coming from because the suit in Crysis 2 isn't 'weaker' and it doesn't 'slow' down the gameplay at all.

I must be the only one the prefers the suit in Crysis 2. It just feels much more fluid and powerful.

You can power jump/run while cloaked/armored. Need to eliminate some sway while sniping? Just hit shift! Instead of hitting the middle mouse button, switching to strength, firing once, then switching back to armor. Or when it comes to uncloak, shoot, cloak... it's just a lot easier to do. It's awesome they combined power/speed, since it really never made any sense why they weren't linked in the first one. You couldn't do anything cool without some unnatural feeling mouse movement to activate another suit mode. The armor mode in Crysis 2 lets you take armored mechs head on. The armor mode in Crysis 1 lets you take 2 or 3 extra bullets from an enemy. The strength mode in crysis 2 lets you kick cars. The strength mode in crysis 1 lets you pick up a washing machine and throw it a couple of feet. Hard to understand where all these comments are coming from because the suit in Crysis 2 isn't 'weaker' and it doesn't 'slow' down the gameplay at all.

Swiftstrike5

You hit the nail right on the head. Your explanation is perfect. 5 Stars for a wonderful post.

Honestly it doesn't seem much slower to me

strangeisland

The title screen said press start to begin.....on my PC!!. Thats the result of Crysis getting consolized; a half baked game thats not even half as good as its predecessor. Evereyone asked if Crysis could run on consoles, sure, if you take away half the stuff that made it crysis in the first place yeah ofc it'll run.

[QUOTE="strangeisland"]

Honestly it doesn't seem much slower to me

devious742