Curious as to why intels are so much more pricey than AMD?

I'll admit I like AMD better but thats only because of the the price/performance ratio. Why is the high end i7 near 1000 dollars and what can it do that the phenom II cant do?

they are very fast but i don't like what Intel is doing, they are too expensive. The European Parlament should force them to share the x86 tech then you would see those prices coming down quickly....

they are very fast but i don't like what Intel is doing, they are too expensive. The European Parlament should force them to share the x86 tech then you would see those prices coming down quickly....

powerslide67

they are very fast but i don't like what Intel is doing, they are too expensive. The European Parliament should force them to share the x86 tech then you would see those prices coming down quickly....

powerslide67

Simply put, they're faster.

snipmarcthpro

What is happening is that back in 2001 or so AMD and Intel signed a tech sharing agreement allowing AMD to use intel research and the other way around. But shortly after Intel started to do its monopoly practices cornering AMD in the market because intel was stealing most of the buisness with the large pc makers. For example is intel tells dell that if they buy from them they will give a bonus ie discounts and buy 4 get one free type of thing. And just in the last 3-4 months AMD was acussing intel of monopolying and Korea and Europe looked into the ordeal, and found out that intel was backing AMD into the corner, and was breaking the law so the fined intel and giving them bad PR. So now the US is looking into it too so who knows whats going to happen. But its sounds like Intel is out of the agreement so they cant use AMD's hyper transport tech which gives the current i7's the lead over the phenom 2's, this is partly why intel is cutting down the i7 series and i5 etc.

What is happening is that back in 2001 or so AMD and Intel signed a tech sharing agreement allowing AMD to use intel research and the other way around. But shortly after Intel started to do its monopoly practices cornering AMD in the market because intel was stealing most of the buisness with the large pc makers. For example is intel tells dell that if they buy from them they will give a bonus ie discounts and buy 4 get one free type of thing. And just in the last 3-4 months AMD was acussing intel of monopolying and Korea and Europe looked into the ordeal, and found out that intel was backing AMD into the corner, and was breaking the law so the fined intel and giving them bad PR. So now the US is looking into it too so who knows whats going to happen. But its sounds like Intel is out of the agreement so they cant use AMD's hyper transport tech which gives the current i7's the lead over the phenom 2's, this is partly why intel is cutting down the i7 series and i5 etc.

04dcarraher

Basicly you pay more for intel because your paying for the name, not necessarily better performance.04dcarraher

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What is happening is that back in 2001 or so AMD and Intel signed a tech sharing agreement allowing AMD to use intel research and the other way around. But shortly after Intel started to do its monopoly practices cornering AMD in the market because intel was stealing most of the buisness with the large pc makers. For example is intel tells dell that if they buy from them they will give a bonus ie discounts and buy 4 get one free type of thing. And just in the last 3-4 months AMD was acussing intel of monopolying and Korea and Europe looked into the ordeal, and found out that intel was backing AMD into the corner, and was breaking the law so the fined intel and giving them bad PR. So now the US is looking into it too so who knows whats going to happen. But its sounds like Intel is out of the agreement so they cant use AMD's hyper transport tech which gives the current i7's the lead over the phenom 2's, this is partly why intel is cutting down the i7 series and i5 etc.

kilerchese

Look it up,

http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-42340-135.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10196973-92.html

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Basicly you pay more for intel because your paying for the name, not necessarily better performance.kilerchese

Another link about intel getting fined. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/5316447/Intel-faces-biggest-ever-EU-competition-fine.html

First off, Intel owns the performance bracket, no two ways about it. AMD is a very attractive option for mid-range/budget enthusiasts, though.

The "top dog" among processors has occupied the $1000 for quite a while. Hence Intel segments their high end CPUs to meet various price points.

Core i7 920 - $280 / Core i7 940/950 - $570 / Core i7 965/975 - $1000

The differences between these tiers aren't that great and can be overcome by overclocking, but not everyone is an "enthusiast." They're simply meeting price points, mainly for businesses and such, requisite of high-end CPUs. Until AMD releases competitive high-end products, Intel will be the only one playing in that price range. (I remember an AMD FX something or other was up there)

Short answer: It's business.

Intel's mainstream CPUs compete against AMD's high-end, which is why it seems like there's a disparity there.

From my experience with both companies, it seems like AMD is able to compete with Intel's mid-high end (not high end) but at the expense of the efficiency Intel CPUs offer. ex physical die size.

Love my e8500, love my PII X2 550 (PII X4 B50 now :D)

the thing 04DCarraher pointing out is that is saying ? that all new core i7 ? excluding 920 / 940 / 965 / 975 would have no HT !? I mean if 975 Give Better Result then 965 it must have the HT also ? but newest example if they make a 985 / 995 : it would have no HT !

and that the Westmere (32nm shrink) *NEW Downgrade Feature Hyper-therading Removal Read spec Below The removale of Hyper-threading allow Slower multi-tasking and less performances per wat : but Better game Performances

I mean it would be nice if it was Writen on the box. :D instead of *NEW FEATURE * it would say * Removed Feature *
Cause You know when you read a motherboard box / spec / review every 6 to 12 month you see *NEW FEATURE* on motherboard : improved mosfet / capacitor /Better Overclocking/ Voltage & Phase Improvement / Tweaking Stuff / you alway see such as Gigabyte P45 UD3R Vs Gigabyte P45 Extreme

I bet X58 next Year will have lot of new Great Feature that Precedent motherboard didn't have + Compatible with 32nm Processor Core i7 With out Hyper Threading

Yep intel sure did spend a lot but amd Was the King for money value for A Long Time and Leader in market Until Core 2 Duo so Athelon 64 & X2 was Better then most of P4 For money / value if you remember for Ghz / money worth in gaming i ad emachine H2604 with an AMD XP 2600+ Barton which was rival to P4 2.6Ghz : But It was Way Weaker then Athelon 64 * and then athelon 64 did rival with P4 3.4 / 3.6Ghz : but intel did know that trough benchmark I belive or something

and they made there Extreme on top but way too costy : it was at time gaming processor Cost Lot to get the Extreme high performances and yet not showing up +15-30fps over 300-700$CPU on 1280x1024 / 1680x1050 and overclocking was almost like a taboo that none does because of fear of break there cpu and lack of knowledge 1000$ for a cpu lot of people bough that

now look at today ? a 200-300$ CPu + Overclock of +600/800mhz = about as good as a 1000$ CPU overclocked with same %
I mean compare a Core i7 920 with extreme cooling such as bit-tech did and put it to 4.0Ghz like they did : then compare core i7 975 put at 4.1Ghz ? in most of game will the core i7 975 give +10-15fps ? according waht i see it a miracle that it may give +2fps XD unless Core i7 975 is mean to be overclock at 4.6 / 4.8Ghz then maybe +5 / +10fps :P and yet you paid 4x the price :D

We just want more power even if it 5-10fps difference we want it ! we want it !!! So if a Westmere core i7 Release at 3.2ghz stock for 350-400$ : then we overclock it at 4.2 / 4.5Ghz and show off to being easy to do that and then showing to give us over +20fps of Previous COre i7 / E8600 at 4.0Ghz

I hope a Evolution similary as E6600 Overclock vs E8400 overclock : uncomparable =)

People will just want to buy it to have the great power else : you just stick with ur cpu and put more huge GPU !!!
I would never buy pay another 700-1000$ in pc part if it was not giving me +15-20fps minimum or that the GPU would bottle neck it

Such as if in theory the E8600 @ 4.0Ghz Give 55FPS but core i7 920 at 3.8ghz in 95% of game was giving only 60fps / 65fps id say that not worth it ? and it would have the same gpu setup : 295GTX / 4870x2 / : then you put Two 4870x2 / 295GTX ? same Stuff only a small difference then ur like so not worth it : so you keep ur system until you see a cpu / mobo setup that out you'r by 25-30% that if you ad same gpu setup

Like let say if you'r build rig that was like top-notch of 2008 get rusty in 2011-2012 Because it not giving more then 35-45fps in a game such as cryisis 2 / 3 but if you ad spend an other 500$ back in 2011-2012 you get 90-120fps it get really temptating to switch out :D to have the Sweet power of a : FAST Loading OS / doing multi-task like you want it to be and having no delay in game :P

I really hope to see new processor become a monster :) such as if you compare athelon 64 (Socket 939) Against Core 2 Duo Series E8400+ Overclock / Q6600 Overclock / Core i7 Overclock / Core 2 Quad 9550 / 9650 Overclock / Phenom II X3 / X4 Overclock

I doubt of AMD / Intel to become into only Server for monster power as long game industry go that way and people need : We will keep want to push the processor / video card to the bottom until we get Photo-realistic game where nothing can be improved else then internet connection / and what you do inside. until you become in a Virtual World where all is Like Reality but So damn fun in theory if game ever come to that level when i'm alive :P

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/ this will give you a idea of all processor that did exist in the past 7 year =)

AMD or Intel...both has a history of making you pay-big-time for their top cpu's. I have a long memory...

www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2.html These will be 4200=+ to 4800+, their price will range from $500 to $1000.

Note: I think the 6000+ cost about a thousand dollars or more.

AMD or Intel...both has a history of making you pay-big-time for their top cpu's. I have a long memory...

www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2.html These will be 4200=+ to 4800+, their price will range from $500 to $1000.

Note: I think the 6000+ cost about a thousand dollars or more.

--Anna--

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AMD or Intel...both has a history of making you pay-big-time for their top cpu's. I have a long memory...

www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2.html These will be 4200=+ to 4800+, their price will range from $500 to $1000.

Note: I think the 6000+ cost about a thousand dollars or more.

musclesforcier

the thing 04DCarraher pointing out is that is saying ? that all new core i7 ? excluding 920 / 940 / 965 / 975 would have no HT !? I mean if 975 Give Better Result then 965 it must have the HT also ? but newest example if they make a 985 / 995 : it would have no HT !

and that the Westmere (32nm shrink) *NEW Downgrade Feature Hyper-therading Removal Read spec Below The removale of Hyper-threading allow Slower multi-tasking and less performances per wat : but Better game Performances

I mean it would be nice if it was Writen on the box. :D instead of *NEW FEATURE * it would say * Removed Feature *
Cause You know when you read a motherboard box / spec / review every 6 to 12 month you see *NEW FEATURE* on motherboard : improved mosfet / capacitor /Better Overclocking/ Voltage & Phase Improvement / Tweaking Stuff / you alway see such as Gigabyte P45 UD3R Vs Gigabyte P45 Extreme

I bet X58 next Year will have lot of new Great Feature that Precedent motherboard didn't have + Compatible with 32nm Processor Core i7 With out Hyper Threading

marcthpro

Like I said, Carraher is pulling smoke out his butt. THey aren't removing Hypterthreading, in his first post he was talking about Hyper TRANSPORT, which is the method AMD's CPU uses to talk to the RAM.

Intel, isn't going to remove Hyperthreading from the i7 or i9 series CPUs especially since they spent a lot of time perfecting it.

Intel Product Placement

Westmere is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT i7. Westmere is for the iFIVE CPU line. The 32nm i7 line is Lynnfield which WILL have Hyperthreading. i5 will NOT have Hyperthreading.

The i5 is also NOT LGA-1366 it is LGA-1156.

The 6-Core CPUs that Intel is coming out with will be for LGA-1366 ONLY and WILL have Hyperthreading for a total of TWELVE threads.

There will be i7 CPUs though for LGA-1156 that will have Hyperthreading though.

thx you to have post such information you removed me the bother to clarify all this with some people =) it good to see some new poster that know lot ;) we finally Clarified the mystery so they calling it Core i9 just as i tough it would be called



I do hope how ever That curent X58 motherboard are well Future-proof Designed to Fit The Extra Core / MB of Cache / Shrink : Because Else It Quite Cruel to have to buy another 300-500$ MOBO :D I wan't To see that Core i9 Preview in Performances Sadly have to wait 2009 Q4 i belive to have any beta testing of it :D Like Core i7 at Beta-Phase i so looked at it it look so powerfull .

i was deceived by it performances over-all In video game for what it cost and i hope Westmere to fix that Because It is not like the huge step from Amd 4600x2 to Intel E8600 :shock:

Tough it hard to find Test that show the Real Difference of amd Strongest X2 vs E8500 Stock / Overclock Because most of the test are useless when they are perform at resolution you never game at 1024x784 / 1280x1024 : i play at 1920x1200 : and there a huge difference how a processor Affect a resolution

Well it a good thing they use Hyper-Threading Tough i never really heard of Hyper-Transport ? funny how Both have a HT But They are Different thing Tough i may not know specifically what is Hyper-Threading / Hyper-Transport i must say i never really ventured into that domain of hardware But it got me Curious About it Again!

Well, all future i7 and i9 CPUs should be compatible with the current X58 market because the memory controller isn't on the motherboard anymore, it's on the CPU. Which I believe was the cause of newer CPUs not being able to function on older chipsets with previous Intel CPUs.

HyperTransport is an AMD only thing, so unless your in the market cor AMD CPUs, you don't read much on it. It's AMD's way of getting rid of the Front Side Bus. I believe I was mistaken on saying it was the thing that let AMD's CPUs talk directly to the RAM though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport

Hmmmm, I thought the 32nm for i7 was going to be Lynnfield... wrong there was well. They are calling it Gulftown.

But still, Intel is NOT removing HyperThreading from their CPU line up.

ALSO, the removal of the 920 and 940 from the market was because the i5 CPUs perform so closely to the i7 CPUs, so they are releasing new CPUs that will be faster in their stead.

[QUOTE="marcthpro"]

the thing 04DCarraher pointing out is that is saying ? that all new core i7 ? excluding 920 / 940 / 965 / 975 would have no HT !? I mean if 975 Give Better Result then 965 it must have the HT also ? but newest example if they make a 985 / 995 : it would have no HT !

and that the Westmere (32nm shrink) *NEW Downgrade Feature Hyper-therading Removal Read spec Below The removale of Hyper-threading allow Slower multi-tasking and less performances per wat : but Better game Performances

I mean it would be nice if it was Writen on the box. :D instead of *NEW FEATURE * it would say * Removed Feature *
Cause You know when you read a motherboard box / spec / review every 6 to 12 month you see *NEW FEATURE* on motherboard : improved mosfet / capacitor /Better Overclocking/ Voltage & Phase Improvement / Tweaking Stuff / you alway see such as Gigabyte P45 UD3R Vs Gigabyte P45 Extreme

I bet X58 next Year will have lot of new Great Feature that Precedent motherboard didn't have + Compatible with 32nm Processor Core i7 With out Hyper Threading

kilerchese

Like I said, Carraher is pulling smoke out his butt. THey aren't removing Hypterthreading, in his first post he was talking about Hyper TRANSPORT, which is the method AMD's CPU uses to talk to the RAM.

Intel, isn't going to remove Hyperthreading from the i7 or i9 series CPUs especially since they spent a lot of time perfecting it.

Intel Product Placement

Westmere is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT i7. Westmere is for the iFIVE CPU line. The 32nm i7 line is Lynnfield which WILL have Hyperthreading. i5 will NOT have Hyperthreading.

The i5 is also NOT LGA-1366 it is LGA-1156.

The 6-Core CPUs that Intel is coming out with will be for LGA-1366 ONLY and WILL have Hyperthreading for a total of TWELVE threads.

There will be i7 CPUs though for LGA-1156 that will have Hyperthreading though.

If you bother reading those articles i posted they are cutting out some of the i7's, and also if amd or intel leave that contract, intel will have to do ethier two things pay AMD for their hypertransport tech which is now on intels i7's or have to stop using the tech or take the chance of being sued if they plan on using it.

I'm starting to wish I went AMD now.

I'm starting to wish I went AMD now.

clyde46

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I'm starting to wish I went AMD now.

samuraiguns

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I'm starting to wish I went AMD now.

clyde46