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#1 BluRayHiDef
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When will these new types of memory be released and how quickly will they render DDR3 and GDDR5 obsolete? Will game developers immediately optimize games for these new types of memory and forget about DDR3 and GDDR5? How much longer will my PC be relevant?

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#2 NoodleFighter
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2014 is the expected date

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The GPU and amount of ram is much more important that the actual type of ram. Right now, GDDR5 memory isn't really a factor in bottlenecking cards unless there isn't enough of it. GDDR6 is just part of the natural evolution of computer parts, higher bandwith, lower latency, lower power. The ram type doesn't need to be changed out to achieve higher speeds, as an early GDDR6 card will have slower memory than a much later model card with GDDR6.

The PS4 and Xbone are using GDDR5 and DDR 3, so this won't even be a factor for them, although games on all platforms are expected to begin using much more ram since the consoles are no longer in shortage of it.

It'll be highly unlike to find a game that relies heavily on memory speed, but not also a very fast gpu. When the 7970 becomes obsolete, it won't be solely because of the memory. I'm guessing DDR4 will be mid 2014, and GDDR6 months later (plus whatever time it takes ot show up in consumer products), so it's probably two whole card gens away yet.

Your 7970 was technically obsolete over 2 years ago, but it should last a few more years at the minum. Depends on how bad you prefer ultra setting over high.

 

 

 

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The GPU and amount of ram is much more important that the actual type of ram. Right now, GDDR5 memory isn't really a factor in bottlenecking cards unless there isn't enough of it. GDDR6 is just part of the natural evolution of computer parts, higher bandwith, lower latency, lower power. The ram type doesn't need to be changed out to achieve higher speeds, as an early GDDR6 card will have slower memory than a much later model card with GDDR6.

The PS4 and Xbone are using GDDR5 and DDR 3, so this won't even be a factor for them, although games on all platforms are expected to begin using much more ram since the consoles are no longer in shortage of it.

It'll be highly unlike to find a game that relies heavily on memory speed, but not also a very fast gpu. When the 7970 becomes obsolete, it won't be solely because of the memory. I'm guessing DDR4 will be mid 2014, and GDDR6 months later (plus whatever time it takes ot show up in consumer products), so it's probably two whole card gens away yet.

Your 7970 was technically obsolete over 2 years ago, but it should last a few more years at the minum. Depends on how bad you prefer ultra setting over high.

 

 

 

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How long after the release of DDR4 and GDDR6 until they become standard and completely phase out DDR3 and GDDR5? Mid 2015?

 

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Much longer than that. Right now DDR3/GDRR5 have been the standard for quite a while now that their prices have been pretty low. It is really cheap to make these memory chips. DDR4 and GDDR6 will start mass production this year and next, but their prices will still be many times higher than DDR3/GDDR5. So expect maybe 2017/2016 for a change in standards.
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#6 BluRayHiDef
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Much longer than that. Right now DDR3/GDRR5 have been the standard for quite a while now that their prices have been pretty low. It is really cheap to make these memory chips. DDR4 and GDDR6 will start mass production this year and next, but their prices will still be many times higher than DDR3/GDDR5. So expect maybe 2017/2016 for a change in standards.ShadowDeathX

How much do you think 6GB of DDR4 will cost? Also, how much do you think the first video cards with GDDR6 will cost? 

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I think it is SW talking in you. As mentioned the GPU/ amount of RAM is generally more important than type i.e. you won't really be losing out, AND paying less, until they are the standard.
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DDR4 will most likely be expensive and will only benefit servers... maybe notebooks for their APUs.

GDDR6... idk. Haven't heard a thing about GDDR6.

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How long after the release of DDR4 and GDDR6 until they become standard and completely phase out DDR3 and GDDR5? Mid 2015?

 BluRayHiDef

DDR2 RAM is still being sold today. No idea when it'll be what ddr3 is to ddr2, but probably in a few years. 2016 was a good suggestion. Cost depends on the overall card--and lately they seem to be more expensive. Smaller fab processes and new features like stacked dram are much more exciting than getting a bandwidth boost imo.

You sound a bit obsessive compulsive.

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When will these new types of memory be released and how quickly will they render DDR3 and GDDR5 obsolete? Will game developers immediately optimize games for these new types of memory and forget about DDR3 and GDDR5? How much longer will my PC be relevant?

BluRayHiDef

Your overestimating the importance of Ram big time. So many people, especially the playstation 4 hype crowd, severely overestimate/do not understand the effect of faster ram.

Basically, don't worry about it... CPU/GPU computational power is MUCH more important to having a bit more/faster temp storage.

People where still using ddr2 4-6 years after the release of ddr3 and had for the most part no issues at all.

There no confirmation of the maxwell (GTX 800) or AMD's pirate islands having GDDR6 ram as the standard. By the time the cards under 20nm come out (Volta for NVidia, not sure on AMDs naming), we will have stacked DRAM regardless.

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There no confirmation of the maxwell (GTX 800) or AMD's pirate islands having GDDR6 ram as the standard. By the time the cards under 20nm come out (Volta for NVidia, not sure on AMDs naming), we will have stacked DRAM regardless.mastershake575


Exactly. By the time these new memory types will be finalized there will be quite a few more technologies competing for.
Stacked DRAM, HMC, memristor and similar technologies are going to completely change the DDR/GDDR marketplace in the next few years.

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Someone explain to me what stacked DRAM is, please, and how it differs from non-stacked DRAM.

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I'm on DDR2 still lol, and i've only just bought a GDDR5 GPU.

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Someone explain to me what stacked DRAM is, please, and how it differs from non-stacked DRAM.

BluRayHiDef

There basically trying to stack the GPU ram closer to the GPU itself to increase bandwidth and reduce latency (you can read more about it here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/19/nvidia_gpu_roadmap_computing_update/ ).

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#15 LordEC911
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Someone explain to me what stacked DRAM is, please, and how it differs from non-stacked DRAM.

mastershake575

There basically trying to stack the GPU ram closer to the GPU itself to increase bandwidth and reduce latency (you can read more about it here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/19/nvidia_gpu_roadmap_computing_update/ ).



You massively decrease the logic, massively increase the density, you decrease the length of the interconnects with TSVs which in turn allows you to run at much higher speeds with less power/heat.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/152465-microns-320gbsec-hybrid-memory-cube-comes-to-market-in-2013-threatens-to-finally-kill-ddr-sdram 

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Someone explain to me what stacked DRAM is, please, and how it differs from non-stacked DRAM.BluRayHiDef
i didn't know what stacked RAM was either, however i googled it and educated myself in a few minutes.
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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]Someone explain to me what stacked DRAM is, please, and how it differs from non-stacked DRAM.metacritical
i didn't know what stacked RAM was either, however i googled it and educated myself in a few minutes.

Dear god the subtle pwnage in this message is sig worthy.

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This is not even worth thinking about....
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THey dont mean jack shit.

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#20 NoodleFighter
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DDR4 will most likely be expensive and will only benefit servers... maybe notebooks for their APUs.

GDDR6... idk. Haven't heard a thing about GDDR6.

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Nvidia's upcoming cards will utilize system memory so I think the bandwith DDR4 will provide will have some use

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]Someone explain to me what stacked DRAM is, please, and how it differs from non-stacked DRAM.metacritical
i didn't know what stacked RAM was either, however i googled it and educated myself in a few minutes.

Haha, I love this comment. It does seem like BluRayHiDef would rather let other people do the information hunting for him...