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#1 TheManTheManMan
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I have no ide if I am posting this in the right place, but here is my question: I typically don't play games on my PC, but I am no dumby about what the setting mean and what not. However, I cannot for the life of me make Dear Esther run without lag. AMD Athlon II X4 650 Processor, 3200 Mhz, 4 Cores, 4 Logical Processors 8GB of RAM ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics card that came on the motherboard (but should be pretty good) 1920-by-1080 60hz 32 bit/pixel monitor (huge- I think it's 22 in. diagonal) Shouldn't this be more than enough to run Dear Esther? I set my settings to low, but there is still a lag. To be clear: I push the w key, about 0.3-0.5 seconds later, I move forward in the game. This is unacceptable. I know PC gamers do not put up with this. I discovered that if I set my resolution down to very low, the lag is significantly reduced, but still present. I should not have to set my resolution down, should I? Also, I have turned VSync off. So, what should I do, and does anybody have recommended settings for me?
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I have no ide if I am posting this in the right place, but here is my question: I typically don't play games on my PC, but I am no dumby about what the setting mean and what not. However, I cannot for the life of me make Dear Esther run without lag. AMD Athlon II X4 650 Processor, 3200 Mhz, 4 Cores, 4 Logical Processors 8GB of RAM ATI Radeon HD 4200 graphics card that came on the motherboard (but should be pretty good) 1920-by-1080 60hz 32 bit/pixel monitor (huge- I think it's 22 in. diagonal) Shouldn't this be more than enough to run Dear Esther? I set my settings to low, but there is still a lag. To be clear: I push the w key, about 0.3-0.5 seconds later, I move forward in the game. This is unacceptable. I know PC gamers do not put up with this. I discovered that if I set my resolution down to very low, the lag is significantly reduced, but still present. I should not have to set my resolution down, should I? Also, I have turned VSync off. So, what should I do, and does anybody have recommended settings for me?TheManTheManMan

there's your issue. No dedicated video card, gaming will be very tough on that

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#3 HyperWarlock
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You need a dedicated GPU to play games like that w/ out lag.

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#4 TheManTheManMan
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Wait, I thought this would have at leat 3GB of video RAM, a 4.1 pixel shader version, 4.1 vertex shader version. Shouldn't that well surpass the requirements?
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Wait, I thought this would have at leat 3GB of video RAM, a 4.1 pixel shader version, 4.1 vertex shader version. Shouldn't that well surpass the requirements?TheManTheManMan
its an onboard graphics chip designed for basic PC use and web surfing and watching videos. It has no ram of it's own, it's using your system ram as memory
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#6 TheManTheManMan
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Okay, so the graphics card must be dedicated to graphics processing? I guess I really don't understnad much about video cards anymore. How do people play this on their laptops, then? Do you have any suggestions? I would really rather not spend than $30, but eBay is my best friend.
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#7 TheManTheManMan
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[QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"]Wait, I thought this would have at leat 3GB of video RAM, a 4.1 pixel shader version, 4.1 vertex shader version. Shouldn't that well surpass the requirements?wis3boi
its an onboard graphics chip designed for basic PC use and web surfing and watching videos. It has no ram of it's own, it's using your system ram as memory

But shouldn't my system RAM be fine to support it with 8GB?
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"]Wait, I thought this would have at leat 3GB of video RAM, a 4.1 pixel shader version, 4.1 vertex shader version. Shouldn't that well surpass the requirements?TheManTheManMan
its an onboard graphics chip designed for basic PC use and web surfing and watching videos. It has no ram of it's own, it's using your system ram as memory

But shouldn't my system RAM be fine to support it with 8GB?

Actual RAM is irrelevant compared to VRAM (video ram), especially since an integrated graphics card doesn't have even a fraction of the power required to run games at settings that use 1gb + of VRAM.
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#9 HyperWarlock
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[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"]Wait, I thought this would have at leat 3GB of video RAM, a 4.1 pixel shader version, 4.1 vertex shader version. Shouldn't that well surpass the requirements?TheManTheManMan
its an onboard graphics chip designed for basic PC use and web surfing and watching videos. It has no ram of it's own, it's using your system ram as memory

But shouldn't my system RAM be fine to support it with 8GB?

You should post in the PC hardware fourm asking someone to explain GPU's. I'm not prepared to write a wall of text right now lol.

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[QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"][QUOTE="wis3boi"] its an onboard graphics chip designed for basic PC use and web surfing and watching videos. It has no ram of it's own, it's using your system ram as memoryHyperWarlock

But shouldn't my system RAM be fine to support it with 8GB?

You should post in the PC hardware fourm asking someone to explain GPU's. I'm not prepared to write a wall of text right now lol.

Or just WIKI it...
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#11 TheManTheManMan
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Okay, thanks. Very quickly: does anyone have any suggestions for a good graphics card (or at least what to look for in one)? The last time I bought an installable graphics card was 10 years ago when I did way more PC gaming. Thank you.
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#12 HyperWarlock
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[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"] But shouldn't my system RAM be fine to support it with 8GB?FelipeInside

You should post in the PC hardware fourm asking someone to explain GPU's. I'm not prepared to write a wall of text right now lol.

Or just WIKI it...

Wikipedia can be hard to understand sometimes. It's better to ask someone who will expalin in clearer terms.

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#13 FelipeInside
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Okay, thanks. Very quickly: does anyone have any suggestions for a good graphics card (or at least what to look for in one)? The last time I bought an installable graphics card was 10 years ago when I did way more PC gaming. Thank you.TheManTheManMan
You have to be careful here. You need to check the following FIRST: 1- Does a gaming card FIT into my case 2- Is there enough AIR FLOW and FANS to properly ventilate the card and case 3- Is my Power Supply strong enough to support the video card. If you don't feel comfortable checking these things, just take it to a computer shop and ask their advice. As for video cards, check the NVIDIA Website for the latest cards. GTX 500 Series.
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[QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"]Okay, thanks. Very quickly: does anyone have any suggestions for a good graphics card (or at least what to look for in one)? The last time I bought an installable graphics card was 10 years ago when I did way more PC gaming. Thank you.FelipeInside
You have to be careful here. You need to check the following FIRST: 1- Does a gaming card FIT into my case 2- Is there enough AIR FLOW and FANS to properly ventilate the card and case 3- Is my Power Supply strong enough to support the video card. If you don't feel comfortable checking these things, just take it to a computer shop and ask their advice. As for video cards, check the NVIDIA Website for the latest cards. GTX 500 Series.

As well as does his laptop even have a pci-e slot available?
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#15 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"]Okay, thanks. Very quickly: does anyone have any suggestions for a good graphics card (or at least what to look for in one)? The last time I bought an installable graphics card was 10 years ago when I did way more PC gaming. Thank you.topsemag55
You have to be careful here. You need to check the following FIRST: 1- Does a gaming card FIT into my case 2- Is there enough AIR FLOW and FANS to properly ventilate the card and case 3- Is my Power Supply strong enough to support the video card. If you don't feel comfortable checking these things, just take it to a computer shop and ask their advice. As for video cards, check the NVIDIA Website for the latest cards. GTX 500 Series.

As well as does his laptop even have a pci-e slot available?

Ah crap, it's a LAPTOP? I didn't even notice that. Sorry TC, you are out of luck. Either buy a gaming laptop or buy a gaming desktop.
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You have to be careful here. You need to check the following FIRST: 1- Does a gaming card FIT into my case 2- Is there enough AIR FLOW and FANS to properly ventilate the card and case 3- Is my Power Supply strong enough to support the video card. If you don't feel comfortable checking these things, just take it to a computer shop and ask their advice. As for video cards, check the NVIDIA Website for the latest cards. GTX 500 Series.FelipeInside
As well as does his laptop even have a pci-e slot available?

Ah crap, it's a LAPTOP? I didn't even notice that. Sorry TC, you are out of luck. Either buy a gaming laptop or buy a gaming desktop.

No he has a desktop. The guy above you has got it wrong.

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#17 TheManTheManMan
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Oh, yeah, sorry. I am using a DESKTOP. I was only wondering how people with laptops game.
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Oh, yeah, sorry. I am using a DESKTOP. I was only wondering how people with laptops game.TheManTheManMan

You should be able to get a graphics card for your desktop. As for the question of how people game on laptops, not all laptops use motherboard graphics. Mostly just the real cheap ones you get at walmart or sams club that come loaded with a bunch of "help you out cuz you're stupid" software, and are just designed for people to check email and watch youtube. I use a custom built Dell Studio XPS laptop from about almost 3 years ago. It's not even necessarily a "gaming" laptop, but it has a dedicated ATi graphics card. I play Just Cause 2, Crysis and Crysis 2, Skyrim, Arkham Asylum, GTA4, LA Noire and Resident Evil 5, among others. Some of them don't run as well as I wish they would, but they're all playable. Oh yeah, I also got Dear Esther. Runs perfect.

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Oh, yeah, sorry. I am using a DESKTOP. I was only wondering how people with laptops game.TheManTheManMan
OK, then follow my guide on my previous post.
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I am having a bit of trouble running it on my mac to. I have a mac OSX Version 10.6.8 with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 256MB of GDDR3 memory on 2.4GHz and 2.53GHz configurations Intel HD Graphics with 256MB. I know I should get another NVIDIA drive but I thought it would be able to run with the 330M one. Could someone recommend a graphics processor that is compatible for mac that is great for gaming.
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#21 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="Jim_bob101"]I am having a bit of trouble running it on my mac to. I have a mac OSX Version 10.6.8 with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 256MB of GDDR3 memory on 2.4GHz and 2.53GHz configurations Intel HD Graphics with 256MB. I know I should get another NVIDIA drive but I thought it would be able to run with the 330M one. Could someone recommend a graphics processor that is compatible for mac that is great for gaming.

It's very difficult to upgrade a video card on most Macs since they come inbuilt. Do you have a PC?
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#22 JigglyWiggly_
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mat_dxlevel 70 in console might help

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game is terrible

it is not even a game
play some better games

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#23 FelipeInside
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mat_dxlevel 70 in console might help

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game is terrible

it is not even a game
play some better games

JigglyWiggly_

You know nothing about quality gaming... go back to Quake...

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#25 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] mat_dxlevel 70 in console might help -- game is terrible it is not even a game play some better games FelipeInside
You know nothing about quality gaming... go back to Quake...

it's not a video game

good games: nintendo exclusives (zelda, mario galaxy 2)

sega fanboy, mainly sega genesis too many games (sonic, rka, sor, shinobi, shmups thunder force 3)

lots of ps2 games

klonoa series, nights, so many others

i think zubin is the only one on gs who knows i actually spend more time playing console games than on pc lol, always have.(the two characters in my sig are from consoles )

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if you think i can't appreciate a good story

you're wrong


he just talks on and on about wanting to kill himself and keeps moaning like some scrub

if you want a good story, play a zelda game
even journey would be better by like 999x

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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] [QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] mat_dxlevel 70 in console might help -- game is terrible it is not even a game play some better games JigglyWiggly_

You know nothing about quality gaming... go back to Quake...

it's not a video game
if you think i can't appreciate a good story

you're wrong


he just talks on and on about wanting to kill himself and keeps moaning like some scrub

if you want a good story, play a zelda game

I took a screenshot of this to help me get through any rough patches in the next few days.

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I am having a bit of trouble running it on my mac to. I have a mac OSX Version 10.6.8 with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 256MB of GDDR3 memory on 2.4GHz and 2.53GHz configurations Intel HD Graphics with 256MB. I know I should get another NVIDIA drive but I thought it would be able to run with the 330M one. Could someone recommend a graphics processor that is compatible for mac that is great for gaming. Jim_bob101
you wont be able to replace your graphics card in your mac yourself. If you have a Desktop PC you might be able to put a graphics card in it. BUT! there are things you have to check

Is there room in your PC case for a graphics card?

Does your power supply have enough voltage to support a dedicated graphics card?

I am going to assume you dont want something to expensive or mind blowing, so you can try an older, lower tier card.

this is a super cheap card that will definately max out Dear Esther with no lag (dont expect to be able to run anything though)http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Depa=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=gtx%20550&IsRelated=1&cm_sp=KeywordRelated-_-gts_450-_-gtx%20550

These are options for the GTX 550. might be good for you? maybe? possibly. idk. hope this was helpful.

BUT! Dont buy it unless you have done your research about your computer and are confident you can install it yourself (its hard at all, look it up on youtube)

srsly tho, do your reasearch, you wont be able to put this in your mac, but if you have a desktop PC you might be able to.

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#28 jettpack
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] You know nothing about quality gaming... go back to Quake... Gammit10

it's not a video game
if you think i can't appreciate a good story

you're wrong


he just talks on and on about wanting to kill himself and keeps moaning like some scrub

if you want a good story, play a zelda game

I took a screenshot of this to help me get through any rough patches in the next few days.

i didnt adore dear esther or anything, but i did enjoy it.... and looking for zelda for a good story............... welll

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#29 jettpack
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[QUOTE="TheManTheManMan"]Oh, yeah, sorry. I am using a DESKTOP. I was only wondering how people with laptops game.FelipeInside
OK, then follow my guide on my previous post.

yeah, his advice is good.

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#30 JigglyWiggly_
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[QUOTE="Gammit10"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

it's not a video game
if you think i can't appreciate a good story

you're wrong


he just talks on and on about wanting to kill himself and keeps moaning like some scrub

if you want a good story, play a zelda gamejettpack

I took a screenshot of this to help me get through any rough patches in the next few days.

i didnt adore dear esther or anything, but i did enjoy it.... and looking for zelda for a good story............... welll

ocrina of time is amazing problems?
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#31 jettpack
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[QUOTE="jettpack"]

[QUOTE="Gammit10"] I took a screenshot of this to help me get through any rough patches in the next few days.

JigglyWiggly_

i didnt adore dear esther or anything, but i did enjoy it.... and looking for zelda for a good story............... welll

ocrina of time is amazing problems?

that is a landmark game, absolutely. Its not a narrative tour de force. not that dear esther is either.

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#32 JigglyWiggly_
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the atmosphere is the story

i don't mean the plot itself

if you just want plot, here is dear esther:

guy on island

going to killhimself

the end

goty 10/10 hardcores

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#33 jettpack
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the atmosphere is the story

i don't mean the plot itself

if you just want plot, here is dear esther:

guy on island

going to killhimself

the end

goty 10/10 hardcores

JigglyWiggly_

i am not a huge dear esther fan, its cool, but my appreciation for it isnt really the narrative either. And okay, i agree with you about the atmosphere being the most important and strongest narrative device in OoT, but narrative is still not the first thing that comes to mind when i think "what makes LoZ good?"

and there is more to Dear Esther than that. the narrative has different parts that randomly show up. you cant here it all in one playthrough.

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#34 FelipeInside
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the atmosphere is the story

i don't mean the plot itself

if you just want plot, here is dear esther:

guy on island

going to killhimself

the end

goty 10/10 hardcores

JigglyWiggly_
Because you came up with Dear Esther year before he did? Ok then. PS: and it's a lot more than just that. Every great narrative can be summoned up simple like you did.