Deus Ex Human Revolution, Good But Not Great, (I'd Give It A 7.8)

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#1 Ricardo41
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Been playing this for a few hours. Game feels and plays fine, but isn't even close to being

anything like the original, which stands heads and shoulders above most games.

1. Graphics are mediocre at best. Blurry textures up close. Even at highest settings.

2. Most items in the game world can't be moved. Only when the game wants or needs you to move something, you can move it.

3. Clunky cover system. Hold right button to get into cover, then akwardly use the wasd keys to maneuver around or aim and shoot.

4. Game favors a stealth-no kill takedown gameplay. Killing nets you far fewer xp.

5. Adam Jensen is closer to Sam Fisher than J.C.Denton.

6. Story doesn't do much for me at this point. Yeah, ok, conspiracy, murder, protest - no substantial deviation from what we already got in DX and DXIW.

7. I haven't encountered any original innovative gameplay design so far. The game so far sticks closely to the tried and true formula of most other cover-based stealth type shooters.

8. Game looks consolish. Thank God, many of the console type prompts can be turned off.

Overall, it's a decent game, worth playing, but definitely can't hold a candle to the first one. It just doesn't manage to "pull" you into its game world, the way the first one did right away when J.C. met his brother Paul on the pier at the Statue of Liberty.

For me, the key problem is that Deus Ex never developed into a franchise under the control of one publisher like Valve. A lot of "cooks" have come up with various "Deus Ex dishes", but all of it lacks the consistency of a franchise. DXHR is a prequel, DXIW is a sequel, but they all don't really come together very well.

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#2 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Whats the difference between a 7.7 or 7.9 from a 7.8? I still don't get it why we use these abstract number scales.. Especially when anything really below a 6 is absolute crap more or less on these types of scales.
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#3 Ricardo41
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Whats the difference between a 7.7 or 7.9 from a 7.8? I still don't get it why we use these abstract number scales.. Especially when anything really below a 6 is absolute crap more or less on these types of scales.sSubZerOo

I'm just "mimicking" Gamespot's system. Basically, IMHO Deux EX HR is a good game, but not a classic.

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I didn't realize this is where your suppose to post reviews....

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Whats the difference between a 7.7 or 7.9 from a 7.8? I still don't get it why we use these abstract number scales.. Especially when anything really below a 6 is absolute crap more or less on these types of scales.Ricardo41

I'm just "mimicking" Gamespot's system. Basically, IMHO Deux EX HR is a good game, but not a classic.

So that means its a 7.8? Whats a 7.9 mean then?

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[QUOTE="Ricardo41"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Whats the difference between a 7.7 or 7.9 from a 7.8? I still don't get it why we use these abstract number scales.. Especially when anything really below a 6 is absolute crap more or less on these types of scales.sSubZerOo

I'm just "mimicking" Gamespot's system. Basically, IMHO Deux EX HR is a good game, but not a classic.

So that means its a 7.8? Whats a 7.9 mean then?

I suppose that it could mean that... I don't know... :|

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Keep playing if you have only played a few hours, the game opens up and only gets better imo.

As you level up and upgrade stuff you get new moves (such as moving bigger heavy objects, you said you cant move many things, well get the jumping higher aug and moving bigger things and give em a go).

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#8 Ricardo41
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Not talking about the strength aug, but about the everyday stuff that is around.

Just don't understand why everyone is fawning over this game. It's basically Splinter Cell in yellow and gold, plus we really need to retire the "let's clear out a warehouse" missions.

Also, the whole "our facility is under attack. Run!'" is also gettin' kinda old.

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Been playing this for a few hours. Game feels and plays fine, but isn't even close to being

anything like the original, which stands heads and shoulders above most games.

1. Graphics are mediocre at best. Blurry textures up close. Even at highest settings. I agree.

2. Most items in the game world can't be moved. Only when the game wants or needs you to move something, you can move it. Not like it would have made much of a difference anyways....

3. Clunky cover system. Hold right button to get into cover, then akwardly use the wasd keys to maneuver around or aim and shoot. lol? Wasnt clunky at all. using wasd keys to move around? Of course. aim and shoot? Wrong. more like just come up and get READY to aim and shoot, because aiming and shooting is used with the mouse.

4. Game favors a stealth-no kill takedown gameplay. Killing nets you far fewer xp. You can still go in non-stealth like without being lethal.

5. Adam Jensen is closer to Sam Fisher than J.C.Denton. Who said he was supposed to be like JC anyway?

6. Story doesn't do much for me at this point. Yeah, ok, conspiracy, murder, protest - no substantial deviation from what we already got in DX and DXIW. Uh..no.

7. I haven't encountered any original innovative gameplay design so far. The game so far sticks closely to the tried and true formula of most other cover-based stealth type shooters. The augmentations? the different ways to play? Hm.

8. Game looks consolish. Thank God, many of the console type prompts can be turned off. No, it doesnt.

Overall, it's a decent game, worth playing, but definitely can't hold a candle to the first one. It just doesn't manage to "pull" you into its game world, the way the first one did right away when J.C. met his brother Paul on the pier at the Statue of Liberty.

For me, the key problem is that Deus Ex never developed into a franchise under the control of one publisher like Valve. A lot of "cooks" have come up with various "Deus Ex dishes", but all of it lacks the consistency of a franchise. DXHR is a prequel, DXIW is a sequel, but they all don't really come together very well.

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Interesting, i was considering this game because it kinda looks like MGS4 (or maybe its just me) but if it is more like Splinter Cell conviction that i m staying away from it.
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#11 Ricardo41
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Interesting, i was considering this game because it kinda looks like MGS4 (or maybe its just me) but if it is more like Splinter Cell conviction that i m staying away from it.Solid_Tango

The game has elements of both. If you like MGS4 and the Splinter Cell franchise, you'll like it. If you're expecting something on par with the original, then, no.

The cover system in Gears of War is much more intuitive, augmentations aren't all that original anymore either, and "regen health" does away with one of the great features of the original: If your legs were shot up, well, you'd have to crawl to the next medbot.

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Interesting, i was considering this game because it kinda looks like MGS4 (or maybe its just me) but if it is more like Splinter Cell conviction that i m staying away from it.Solid_Tango

You mean like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oj96OVxjJk

Glitch spot seems to currently be having problems when using '/' for url links.

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I'm enjoying it very much..one of the best games this year.
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Been playing this for a few hours. Game feels and plays fine, but isn't even close to being

anything like the original, which stands heads and shoulders above most games.

1. Graphics are mediocre at best. Blurry textures up close. Even at highest settings.

2. Most items in the game world can't be moved. Only when the game wants or needs you to move something, you can move it.

3. Clunky cover system. Hold right button to get into cover, then akwardly use the wasd keys to maneuver around or aim and shoot.

4. Game favors a stealth-no kill takedown gameplay. Killing nets you far fewer xp.

5. Adam Jensen is closer to Sam Fisher than J.C.Denton.

6. Story doesn't do much for me at this point. Yeah, ok, conspiracy, murder, protest - no substantial deviation from what we already got in DX and DXIW.

7. I haven't encountered any original innovative gameplay design so far. The game so far sticks closely to the tried and true formula of most other cover-based stealth type shooters.

8. Game looks consolish. Thank God, many of the console type prompts can be turned off.

Overall, it's a decent game, worth playing, but definitely can't hold a candle to the first one. It just doesn't manage to "pull" you into its game world, the way the first one did right away when J.C. met his brother Paul on the pier at the Statue of Liberty.

For me, the key problem is that Deus Ex never developed into a franchise under the control of one publisher like Valve. A lot of "cooks" have come up with various "Deus Ex dishes", but all of it lacks the consistency of a franchise. DXHR is a prequel, DXIW is a sequel, but they all don't really come together very well.

Ricardo41

It's obviously a matter of opinion, personally I disagree with most of your points:

1) While the graphics are not especially impressive from a technical pov, I really like the art direction, the colors, the style and the realization of the world.

2) True, most items cannot be moved, however there's generally always enough items around that if you need something to throw, stack or use to block a path, there's plenty around. Beyond that I don't really care if you can pick up everything.

3) Cover system worked fine for me. I'm not sure if Gears was more intuitive, it been a while. Imho, it's leaps and bounds better than MGS4 for example. In short, for me it works fine, does that job and doesn't get in my way :)

4) In the early game where you face relatively few and weak enemies, non-lethal takedowns make a lot more sense. Once you get further, the option to try non-lethal becomes increasingly risky. The non-leathal weapons are fairly limited in terms of speed and ability to take on groups of enemies.

5) I can certainly see the Splinter Cell influence, but I think that's what makes Deus Ex, both the old games and the new ones. It's really up to you if Adam Jensen is more like Sam Fisher or not.

6) I like the story, it fits the setting and the franchise history.

7) I gotta disagree here, it goes way beyond the options you have available in both Splinter Cell and MGS4. You have for more free on how to approach situations, you have far more options in how to develop your character, far more options in the choices presented, far more open ended world.

All things said and done. I think the make or break for a game like this is how well it immerses you in the world and that's probably where we really differ. I feel that it's every bit as captivating and immersive as Deus Ex was 11 years ago, but it's something that really comes down to the individual.

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I find it just a touch ironic that you say the graphics aren't good but also that the game doesn't stand up to DX1. The original game had terrible visuals. And surely if the game gave you an even amount of XP for kills there would be less incentive to stealth. Isn't that obvious?
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1. The graphics are bad but they were bad in the first game as well. Besides, this game makes up for it with art direction and the incredible amount of environmental detail. 2. There's enough moveable objects around that I never felt like I was being constrained. 3. You know you can remap the key bindings, right? I have my cover button set to "F" and it's press to move to cover, not hold. 4. That's for two reasons. 1) When using non-lethal you're probably doing stealth which requires you to avoid most enemies and thus lose out on that potential exp that a rambo player would be getting, and 2) knocked out enemies can be woken up again, so there's a risk involved with KOs instead of kills. 5. OK? 6. So you're complaining about the game sticking to the formula of the series? Riiiiiiiiiight... 7. The conversation system with the social augmentation is pretty new. 8. Really? Looks like a PC game to me, especially after object highlight and waypoint markers are turned off and FOV is adjusted to 80.
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I can't find a single point to agree on with you. Especially when you mention you still have the original key bindings and think that's something to complain about. I have my cover set to one of my side mouse buttons, and holster weapon is set to the other one. It works wonderfully. This is definitely going to end up my GOTY.
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Most reviewers play through the game before giving a score... just sayin.

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#19 jer_1
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Regardless of what OP thinks, I would much rather play DEHR than DE1 or 2. HR is a far more enjoyable game to me. Not to even mention the fact that the gameworld is FAR more fleshed out and entertaining. The game also runs a hell of a lot more stable than DE ever did on my PC's at the time while simultaneously looking far better.

Personally, I rate the game about a 8.5 on its own. With a good set of mods this game could definitely be a 9.5+!

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#20 Masculus
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I have one really important question about the game. Does it have a saving system, with quick-save features and all? Or has it trashed it like Crysis 2?

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I pretty much agree. It is good, but I have too many problems with it at the moment to call it great.
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Seeing as how the original Deus Ex scored 8.2 and that is very close to your given score, this pretty much proves that ratings don't matter. Because why? Deus Ex1 has remained one of my favorite games ever. But let's say, we're strictly held down on the ratings system and we're to be a critic as much as possible, I would highly disagree with you on this one mate. Deus Ex Human Revolution in my eyes, is 9.0 worthy, but I'm creepin' up to the 9.5 mark. The graphics look great, despite it's minor blemishes like low-res textures here and there. Still a good-looking game. I love the story.. maybe you're not into cyberpunk universes. I love conspiracy and all that sh**. Excuse my language.

Right at the beginning of the game.. I already started caring for Jensen and other characters. They had personality, character, excuse my pun, and depth. Which a lot of games these days lack on good measure. Here's where you have it wrrong.. it's not a stealth-cover game.. and to compare it to SP: Conviction is a crime. Conviction was horrible... lacked depth...repetitive gameplay... mark, execute, kill... stealth wasn't even really there if you account for what Chaos Theory has done for the franchise. Not to mention Ubisoft pretty damn sucks nowadays except for Assassin's Creed.. even though that franchise is all convoluted at this point. Sure, I might sound like a rabid fanboy, although I am not. I'm not really a fanboy of anything just to point that out and get it straight... but I really really like Deus Ex HR. it's probably my GOTY so far. I like it a lot more than the original. And that's saying a lot. Although I respect your opinion, ultimately, many will disagree with you. But this is at least worthy of discussion to a certain extent before it becomes kinda irrelevant.

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I have one really important question about the game. Does it have a saving system, with quick-save features and all? Or has it trashed it like Crysis 2?

Masculus

F5 is for quick saving. I now have the pc version as well as the 360 (getting rid of it today) and the quick save is absolutely necessary.

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#24 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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It's a one sided affair OP. Most people love this game, you're in the minority. None of your points actually take away from your game, especially if you compare HR with DE1. Others, like "consolish" are totally subjective. Given the choice way back in 2000, which one would people rather play? HR with 2000 graphics or DE1?
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#25 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Masculus"]

I have one really important question about the game. Does it have a saving system, with quick-save features and all? Or has it trashed it like Crysis 2?

davaniius

F5 is for quick saving. I now have the pc version as well as the 360 (getting rid of it today) and the quick save is absolutely necessary.

Yeah.. quick save is a must.
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#26 Qixote
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Since when does GS allow members to post their game reviews and ratings as forum threads? Isn't that what the user reviews/ratings features are for?

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#27 MCL0789
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Interesting, i was considering this game because it kinda looks like MGS4 (or maybe its just me) but if it is more like Splinter Cell conviction that i m staying away from it.Solid_Tango

I got a very distinct MGS4 feel from the game, not so much Splinter Cell Conviction. I think you'll like it very much!

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#28 VeryBumpy
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Totally agree with the OP. It's a good game but not great.

Sadly, I think a large part of the problems stem from affects of the console derived design limitations. Had this been a PC exclusive, this game could of been mind blowing.

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I disagree with OP, I think it's a great game and much better than good. The story is great, the world is incredibly rich, the combat is fun, the guns feel right, hacking is immersive and cool, the music is superb, the levels are closed off, but without crappy invisible walls and with sandboxy elements that offer you any option you can think of for proceeding. GOTY.

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#30 Rickylee
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I have one really important question about the game. Does it have a saving system, with quick-save features and all? Or has it trashed it like Crysis 2?

Masculus

It's wonderful to see a game with a fully fleshed out save system. I was beginning to think it was a thing of the past in games like this. I gave my copy of Crysis 2 to a friend before I'd even installed it because of the stupid save system. Buy this game, it's all I have to say.:)

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#31 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I find it just a touch ironic that you say the graphics aren't good but also that the game doesn't stand up to DX1. The original game had terrible visuals. And surely if the game gave you an even amount of XP for kills there would be less incentive to stealth. Isn't that obvious? biggest_loser

No.. Going guns of blazing has its own risks.. They should evenly reward the both.. I of course would want to play a stealth character, not for character reward but roleplaying reasons.. But I shouldn't feel like I am being penalized or rewarded more for a certain path.. Inless its extremely difficult path..

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Game is great, only thing I would change is the boss fights personally.

Having a hell of a good time with this game, one of this gens best imo, up there with Shogun2 and TW2 as this years best game.

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#33 Masculus
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[QUOTE="davaniius"]

[QUOTE="Masculus"]

I have one really important question about the game. Does it have a saving system, with quick-save features and all? Or has it trashed it like Crysis 2?

Elann2008

F5 is for quick saving. I now have the pc version as well as the 360 (getting rid of it today) and the quick save is absolutely necessary.

Yeah.. quick save is a must.

Oh, thank god. Checkpoints can ruin some games.

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#34 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="davaniius"]

F5 is for quick saving. I now have the pc version as well as the 360 (getting rid of it today) and the quick save is absolutely necessary.

Masculus

Yeah.. quick save is a must.

Oh, thank god. Checkpoints can ruin some games.

:D Yup.
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#35 MyopicCanadian
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Game is great, only thing I would change is the boss fights personally.

Having a hell of a good time with this game, one of this gens best imo, up there with Shogun2 and TW2 as this years best game.

kozzy1234
I don't mind the boss fights, just did the second one last night. Gives me a chance to make use of all my big guns, explosives, typhoon.. :D I need to justify lugging my rocket launcher around even though it takes up a huge portion of my inventory.
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#37 Elann2008
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[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Game is great, only thing I would change is the boss fights personally.

Having a hell of a good time with this game, one of this gens best imo, up there with Shogun2 and TW2 as this years best game.

MyopicCanadian
I don't mind the boss fights, just did the second one last night. Gives me a chance to make use of all my big guns, explosives, typhoon.. :D I need to justify lugging my rocket launcher around even though it takes up a huge portion of my inventory.

The boss fights reminded me of MGS4. Anyone felt that way too? Although MGS4 at least had some cooler boss fights, overall. In fact, some of the things in this game really reminded me of MGS series for some reason haha.
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"The key problem is that Deus Ex never developed into a franchise under the control of one publisher". Huh? You know Invisible War was actually made by the same team who made the original, right? There's only ever been two publishers and two developers behind the games. "A lot of "cooks" have come up with various "Deus Ex dishes", but all of it lacks the consistency of a franchise." There's only ever been 3 games in the franchise with the general consensus that Invisible War should just be totally forgotten. Personally, I think Human Revolution is a fine game. It's not nearly as groundbreaking as the original, which I personally believe is still the better game, but I feel it does a better job of creating it's world and making the issues going in at that time seem realistic. I like how augmentations are treated as a social issue in Human Revolution and the questions it asks about technology going too far are very interesting and insightful. It's something you don't expect from your average video game story. It definitely has it's faults in my opinion(the boss fights could have and should have been handled WAY better or not in there at all) but I think it's worthy of the name "Deus Ex".

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[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Game is great, only thing I would change is the boss fights personally.

Having a hell of a good time with this game, one of this gens best imo, up there with Shogun2 and TW2 as this years best game.

Elann2008
I don't mind the boss fights, just did the second one last night. Gives me a chance to make use of all my big guns, explosives, typhoon.. :D I need to justify lugging my rocket launcher around even though it takes up a huge portion of my inventory.

The boss fights reminded me of MGS4. Anyone felt that way too? Although MGS4 at least had some cooler boss fights, overall. In fact, some of the things in this game really reminded me of MGS series for some reason haha.

Yeah, I definitely got some MGS vibes from some of the things in this game. I mean, the achievements you get for killing the bosses are "The Mantis", "The Snake" and "The End" excluding the first one. If that ain't one of hell of a group of references, I don't know what is :P
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#40 MyopicCanadian
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[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Game is great, only thing I would change is the boss fights personally.

Having a hell of a good time with this game, one of this gens best imo, up there with Shogun2 and TW2 as this years best game.

Elann2008
I don't mind the boss fights, just did the second one last night. Gives me a chance to make use of all my big guns, explosives, typhoon.. :D I need to justify lugging my rocket launcher around even though it takes up a huge portion of my inventory.

The boss fights reminded me of MGS4. Anyone felt that way too? Although MGS4 at least had some cooler boss fights, overall. In fact, some of the things in this game really reminded me of MGS series for some reason haha.

Damn.. I got bored of that movie and didn't get very far. It's still on my "to-do" list though!
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#41 VeryBumpy
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Damn.. I got bored of that movie and didn't get very far. It's still on my "to-do" list though!MyopicCanadian

I see what you did there.

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#42 millerlight89
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I found it amazing. Best RPG this year and eats The Witcher 2 for lunch imo.