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#1 Gooeykat
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With games like Bioshock, Company of Heroes and the release of World in Conflict next week, all implementing DX10 features, are you ready to upgrade to Vista/DirectX 10? I recently upgraded and have had a very smooth transition to Vista so far. No where near some of the horror stories that I've read about, its a very stable OS and I have had no problems with drivers for any of my hardware. My DX10 games look and run great and I can definitely notice the improvements over DX9.
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#2 BounceDK
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I'm still waiting for the "oh so beautiful graphics and higher performance" in DX10. I haven't seen it yet, in fact it makes everything slower. You sacrifice fps for absolutely nothing. My own Bioshock DX9/DX10 comparative screenshots can be viewed here. Smart people know that DX10 isn't about pretty graphics or extra performance (because both fail miserably), but instead a huge load of extra particles. Particles replacing sprites to make it simple. But not a single game has managed to do this, and if Bioshock is in fact using particles instead of sprites, they did a pretty damn good job doing the DX9 version because I can't see any difference at all between the two. Only extra smoke which is way overdone if you ask me.
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#3 skyjuicerz
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Congrats on your move to vista and DX 10 but for me, I'll think that I'll hang on to DX9 as long as possible. It's not that I hate vista or anything like that, it's just that I dont feel the urge to get it anytime soon. I'll still be able to enjoy upcoming games like Crysis in DX 9. I'ts not that I'm gonna get extra content, unlockable bonuses or receive a special ending by playing in DX 10, I'll still be playing the same friggin game in both modes. So there ya go, I'll hang on to DX 9 for a while.....
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#4 MrNacaa
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I'm waiting for a better computer. Then, after, yes.
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#5 FPSGunnerDude
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It's really not cost/performance effective until about 1/2 of the games you play are dx10. I'll be building another computer then, and I haveno plans to do that anytime soon.
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#6 deactivated-59d151f079814
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I am waiting for the way higher performance in games that Microsoft claimed Vista/Dx10 would have over XP/DX9.. Becasue as it stands we have yet to see any major difference in graphics between two, as well as having a sharp drop in performance in Vista.
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#7 chessboxer1
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Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.
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#8 BounceDK
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Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.chessboxer1
Get a DX10.1 card instead.
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[QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.BounceDK
Get a DX10.1 card instead.

DX10.1 has already said to be almost no improvement nor are games even worrying about having it in there.

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#10 naval
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i am waiting till few of the good games start coming out in directx 10 only or vista looks worth buying for purposes besides gaming or crysis dx10 totally blows away dx9
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#11 BounceDK
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[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.sSubZerOo

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

DX10.1 has already said to be almost no improvement nor are games even worrying about having it in there.

Compatibility is what I'm thinking about and money saving. DX10 cards won't be able to play DX10.1 games.. Dunno
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#12 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.BounceDK

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

DX10.1 has already said to be almost no improvement nor are games even worrying about having it in there.

Compatibility is what I'm thinking about and money saving. DX10 cards won't be able to play DX10.1 games.. Dunno

It has already been stated that DX10.1 adds nothing graphically or performance wise.. Its for another purpose.. There was a whole other article on this.. You will still be able to runt eh game in DX10, infact there hasnt been a single game announced that will use DX10.1 because it adds nothing large tot he game.

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[QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.BounceDK
Get a DX10.1 card instead.

Need a new card now. The new cards will be a rip off when they come out.

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#14 chessboxer1
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.BounceDK

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

DX10.1 has already said to be almost no improvement nor are games even worrying about having it in there.

Compatibility is what I'm thinking about and money saving. DX10 cards won't be able to play DX10.1 games.. Dunno

I believe DX10 cards are compatible with DX10.1 they just won't support all the features of DX10.1 such as incrementalimprovements to 3D rendering quality.

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[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.sSubZerOo

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

DX10.1 has already said to be almost no improvement nor are games even worrying about having it in there.

Compatibility is what I'm thinking about and money saving. DX10 cards won't be able to play DX10.1 games.. Dunno

It has already been stated that DX10.1 adds nothing graphically or performance wise.. Its for another purpose.. There was a whole other article on this.. You will still be able to runt eh game in DX10, infact there hasnt been a single game announced that will use DX10.1 because it adds nothing large tot he game.

DX10 didn't add graphical or performance either, so what's your point? DX10 cards won't be able to run DX10.1 either way. So why waste your money? And just because games will still be using DX10 doesn't mean that you'll be able to run DX10.1 games.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.BounceDK

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

DX10.1 has already said to be almost no improvement nor are games even worrying about having it in there.

Compatibility is what I'm thinking about and money saving. DX10 cards won't be able to play DX10.1 games.. Dunno

It has already been stated that DX10.1 adds nothing graphically or performance wise.. Its for another purpose.. There was a whole other article on this.. You will still be able to runt eh game in DX10, infact there hasnt been a single game announced that will use DX10.1 because it adds nothing large tot he game.

DX10 didn't add graphical or performance either, so what's your point? DX10 cards won't be able to run DX10.1 either way. So why waste your money? And just because games will still be using DX10 doesn't mean that you'll be able to run DX10.1 games.

Yeah DX10 most certainly did.. DX10 did add alot of graphical effects, look up its comparison..

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#17 BounceDK
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Where? I can't find any. All I got is my own Bioshock screenshots, and not some Crysis videos where they do different things in each video.. Gotta be the same thing to compare!
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#18 TA127
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Im not planning to change to Vista soon, it has so much problems...i think ill wait a year or two...(so the H*** with MS)

BTW-why should anyone wait JUST for Crysis to upgrade?

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#19 BounceDK
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BTW-why should anyone wait JUST for Crysis to upgrade?TA127
Land of hype is a dangerous place to travel. Gamemaster advises you to retreat and laugh at the fanboys.
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Just bought an 8600 GTS OC'd today. Just gatta wait for it to arrive. And Vista is already loaded on my PC. I'm set in terms of everything else.
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#21 BounceDK
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Just bought an 8600 GTS OC'd today. Just gatta wait for it to arrive. And Vista is already loaded on my PC. I'm set in terms of everything else.EvanSkanes
You won't see how your G80 kicks ass when you use Vista.
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#22 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="EvanSkanes"]Just bought an 8600 GTS OC'd today. Just gatta wait for it to arrive. And Vista is already loaded on my PC. I'm set in terms of everything else.BounceDK
You won't see how your G80 kicks ass when you use Vista.

You really need to get over your Vista woes.

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#24 moocow21
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Well, my laptop came with Vista and a dx10 card so I'm there. Bioshock looks great, can't really tell the difference between DX9 & 10 though.
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#25 BounceDK
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Well, my laptop came with Vista and a dx10 card so I'm there. Bioshock looks great, can't really tell the difference between DX9 & 10 though.moocow21
Nobody can.
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#26 chessboxer1
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It's not like anyone has a choice, DX 10 and Vista is the future whether you like it or not!

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Well, my laptop came with Vista and a dx10 card so I'm there. Bioshock looks great, can't really tell the difference between DX9 & 10 though.moocow21

There are some image quality advantages with DX10 over DX9 http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_directx10_performance/page4.asp

But yeah, still waiting on a game with dramatic DX10 improvements.

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#28 BounceDK
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Yhe only thing you see is more particles and that's it, don't try to make something it isn't
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#29 agallo
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where does it say anywhere that DX10 cards wont be able to run dx 10.1? most of that stuff is rumors
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#30 Gooeykat
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[QUOTE="moocow21"]Well, my laptop came with Vista and a dx10 card so I'm there. Bioshock looks great, can't really tell the difference between DX9 & 10 though.BounceDK
Nobody can.

I can, in the shadows and lighting effects mostly. The water effects are more subtle but still look a little better.

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#31 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Yhe only thing you see is more particles and that's it, don't try to make something it isn't BounceDK

Well actually guys you have to put in perspective.. Bioshock isnt a true DirectX 10 game, the majority of all the effects are tacked on from the port, just like Lost Planet.

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#32 BounceDK
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[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="moocow21"]Well, my laptop came with Vista and a dx10 card so I'm there. Bioshock looks great, can't really tell the difference between DX9 & 10 though.Gooeykat

Nobody can.

I can, in the shadows and lighting effects mostly. The water effects are more subtle but still look a little better.

No you can't. Did you ever see the DX9 sceenshots? No you didnt't. I'm still waiting for Crysis, oh it's gonna be the DX10 good ness.. Load of bull, but lets see shalll we?
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[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="EvanSkanes"]Just bought an 8600 GTS OC'd today. Just gatta wait for it to arrive. And Vista is already loaded on my PC. I'm set in terms of everything else.BounceDK

You won't see how your G80 kicks ass when you use Vista.

You really need to get over your Vista woes.

Face the facts, stop being a flippin Vista fanboy .. Seriously

I don't think anyone is being a fanboy here. My experience so far has been no where near the doom and gloom that people all over the internet have been saying about Vista. It's actually been quite pleasant.

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#34 Deihmos
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[QUOTE="moocow21"]Well, my laptop came with Vista and a dx10 card so I'm there. Bioshock looks great, can't really tell the difference between DX9 & 10 though.Nitrous2O

There are some image quality advantages with DX10 over DX9 http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/bioshock_directx10_performance/page4.asp

But yeah, still waiting on a game with dramatic DX10 improvements.

According to the gamespot hardware guide you get 60 frames using Vista in DX10 and 65 using XP in DX9. Is that a huge difference for a better image quality? It can also be turned off if you want those frames back. Right now I am using XP at work and it looks so old compared to Vista. It was about time an upgrade came.

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Yhe only thing you see is more particles and that's it, don't try to make something it isn't BounceDK

Dude, the only thing I'm trying to say is that there is an image quality improvement with DX10 (i.e. it looks better). For example, quoted from the article "In the images above you can see how the shadow of the woman and stroller are less blurry under DX10. The edges of shadows are much crisper actually!"

Personally, I can see the difference. If you don't see it, don't think it's worth it, don't like the reasons behind it, whatever...that's cool too, absolutely your choice.

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I already have. I am glad that I installed Vista on one of my extra harddrives instead of installing it over XP. Now I can do both with ease. So if there are any problems with Vista I always have XP to go to.
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#37 Gooeykat
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[QUOTE="Gooeykat"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="moocow21"]Well, my laptop came with Vista and a dx10 card so I'm there. Bioshock looks great, can't really tell the difference between DX9 & 10 though.BounceDK

Nobody can.

I can, in the shadows and lighting effects mostly. The water effects are more subtle but still look a little better.

No you can't. Did you ever see the DX9 sceenshots? No you didnt't. I'm still waiting for Crysis, oh it's gonna be the DX10 good ness.. Load of bull, but lets see shalll we?

You caught me, I'm lying. Ease off the caffiene, I have seen plenty of the comparison screen shots and you won't be able to tell the difference simply by viewing those IMHO. You have the see and play the game yourself or see a HD video of the two side by side. The shadows and lighting are much better in DX10.

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#38 BounceDK
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[QUOTE="BounceDK"]Yhe only thing you see is more particles and that's it, don't try to make something it isn't Nitrous2O

Dude, the only thing I'm trying to say is that there is an image quality improvement with DX10 (i.e. it looks better). For example, quoted from the article "In the images above you can see how the shadow of the woman and stroller are less blurry under DX10. The edges of shadows are much crisper actually!"

Personally, I can see the difference. If you don't see it, don't think it's worth it, don't like the reasons behind it, whatever...that's cool too, absolutely your choice.

You won't see any difference in graphics at all, all you get is a larger number of particles = Who cares
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For me its a monetary issue. Getting Vista just for Dx10 (and thats the only reason I would get Vista...XP does everything I could ever ask of it) is asking me to spend over 100 dollars just for some fancier effects. Hell, they dont matter much to me anyway I am stil blown away by how nice Dx9 looks!
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#40 zakaweb
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I just got a new dell with Vista, I already have a vista laptop, and AMD 5600 2.8 GHZ dual processors. I'm getting a graphic card this weekend. I'm looking forward to PC gaming again. I like Vista, it runs well for me but I haven't tried any games yet.

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Crysis... no. Alan Wake baby!
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#42 moulsha
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just a note you can have directx 10 on xp you just have to download the software so you might want to make that as one of the choices and yes it does work, i play bioshock with directx 10 enabled on my xp computer
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#43 BounceDK
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just a note you can have directx 10 on xp you just have to download the software so you might want to make that as one of the choices and yes it does work, i play bioshock with directx 10 enabled on my xp computermoulsha
Yep DX10 will land on XP users eventually. But who needs DX when you got OpenGL???! I feel bad for the fanboys, I really do.
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[QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.BounceDK
Get a DX10.1 card instead.

the 8800 series will support 10.1, as will the 2900 series...:|

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#45 BounceDK
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[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.chrisrooR

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

the 8800 series will support 10.1, as will the 2900 series...:|

No it won't.
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[QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.BounceDK

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

the 8800 series will support 10.1, as will the 2900 series...:|

No it won't.

yes, yes it will.

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=42004

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I don't want vista. I am DX10 ready but don't care for vista so much that I plan to play crysis on DX9 even when I can get DX10.
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#48 chrisrooR
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[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chrisrooR"]

[QUOTE="BounceDK"][QUOTE="chessboxer1"]Had Vista since January and not had a single problem with it. Going to get a 8800 GTS soon to complete my move to DirectX 10.chrisrooR

Get a DX10.1 card instead.

the 8800 series will support 10.1, as will the 2900 series...:|

No it won't.

yes, yes it will.

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=42004

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lol
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#50 davidbond11
Member since 2007 • 25 Posts
I Already Have It, I Like DX It's Kept My Games From Looking Crap For Ages