Do Splinter Cell: Conviction and Assassin's creed 2 still have that DRM

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#1 ohthemanatee
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I was thinking of ordering Assassin's creed 2 and Splinter Cell conviction on Amazon, but I heard that those games require a permanent internet connection to play them, is this DRM still in effect?

I sometimes play on my laptop when i'm in college, so naturally I can't always be connected to the internet

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#2 couly
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Yep still there.
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#3 ohthemanatee
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damn.... maybe i'm just being picky, but I refuse to buy games that force you to be online permantly
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damn.... maybe i'm just being picky, but I refuse to buy games that force you to be online permantlyohthemanatee
well I think you can play it but you won't be able to save your games (no autosaves either)
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#5 ghegpatatas
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I think they will never remove it and totally piss off alot of their customers.
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#6 1carus
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damn.... maybe i'm just being picky, but I refuse to buy games that force you to be online permantlyohthemanatee

You're not. Having to be online all the time to play a single player game is ridiculous.

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#7 ExESGO
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I refuse to buy games that force you to be online permantly

I approve of this. We are being treated like criminals even though we PAID for the game.

They should just let the games require Steam, which by the way is a really good form of DRM.

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#8 illmatic87
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Yeah it is still there, it seems to be alot more unstable in AC2 than with my experiences with Settlers 7 and at least Settlers 7 is packed with nifty and seamless online features that made permanent online connection actually seem worthwhile.
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#9 Iantheone
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Ill just pitch in here. I bought AC2 a while ago and have had no problems with the drm. Never been unable to connect. Connection takes about 5 seconds for me. I can understand that its intrusive if you dont have a constant connection, but when you do you hardly notice it. At least in my experience
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#10 ExESGO
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Ill just pitch in here. I bought AC2 a while ago and have had no problems with the drm. Never been unable to connect. Connection takes about 5 seconds for me. I can understand that its intrusive if you dont have a constant connection, but when you do you hardly notice it. At least in my experienceIantheone
You weren't there when the Denial of Service attacks occurred.
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#11 rmfd341
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They're still there, but I think it's just silly not to play a great game just because you have to be connected all the time, it's a bad DRM of course, but...You have internet, so, why?
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#12 ExESGO
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They're still there, but I think it's just silly not to play a great game just because you have to be connected all the time, it's a bad DRM of course, but...You have internet, so, why?rmfd341
It is called, ANNOYING.
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#13 ventnor
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I thought they said they would remove their DRM when pirates had succesfully cracked it, to my knowledge it was cracked months ago.

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#14 deactivated-5ee322a396e26
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yeah there will still be plenty of people that actually support this insulting form of drm

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#15 WhiteKnight77
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Ubi still uses the DRM and will not stop using it. Do not count on them even patching it out even when the shut down the servers for a game. On an interesting note, Ubi PC game sales have dropped 13% last quarter when compared to the same quarter the previous year. It appears that having said DRM played a big part in the drop as that quarter covers the release of SCV, AC2, S7 and SHV (which is a PC only game).

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nope! if u want just try the online gameplay u need a internet but the campaigns dont need a internet connection

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#17 gbrading
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Ubisoft is still implimenting the Online Services Platform for all of their future PC games, and have indicated that they will continue to do so. As such, I am no longer giving my custom to Ubisoft, as I personally believe that such a DRM method is both outlandish and immoral. I am registering my objection the only way I can: By not giving them my money.

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#18 w4rrior17
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but the campaigns dont need a internet connection

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Yes, yes they do.
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I approve of this. We are being treated like criminals even though we PAID for the game.

They should just let the games require Steam, which by the way is a really good form of DRM.

ExESGO

how does steam's DRM works?

I've been thinking of getting the Orange Box

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#20 w4rrior17
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="ExESGO"]

I approve of this. We are being treated like criminals even though we PAID for the game.

They should just let the games require Steam, which by the way is a really good form of DRM.

how does steam's DRM works?

Steams DRM is you need Steam to play the games. Steam is a form of DRM. Not sure how well it works though, Valve games get pirated a bunch too.
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#21 StopThePresses
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Yeah. Supposedly they were going to remove it once it was cracked, but apparently that was b.s.
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#22 StopThePresses
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Ubisoft is still implimenting the Online Services Platform for all of their future PC games, and have indicated that they will continue to do so. As such, I am no longer giving my custom to Ubisoft, as I personally believe that such a DRM method is both outlandish and immoral. I am registering my objection the only way I can: By not giving them my money.

gbrading

Yep. I like the way Blizzard did it with StarCraft II, where you don't HAVE to be online to play, but you can only get achievements on your online account if you are. Obviously it makes sense that you would need to be online to get achievements for an online account.

(As far as the game not having LAN play goes, I could not care less since I was never going to play it over LAN anyway. The last game I played over LAN was Warcraft II, incidentally. Yes, the second one, not the third.)

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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

how does steam's DRM works?

w4rrior17

Steams DRM is you need Steam to play the games. Steam is a form of DRM. Not sure how well it works though, Valve games get pirated a bunch too.

so basically you need to install steam?

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Let me just throw in my two cents.

I have just finished Assassin's Creed 2, and am simply astounded by how amazing the game was. Ubi did a great job with it, didn't even feel like a console port.

The DRM on the other hand, well here's what I think:

Ubisoft is being ridiculously stupid. Why? First, they implemented the DRM to prevent piracy and hopefully raise their sales, and things have turned around, sales went down and the games still got pirated. The question is, why do they keep at it? Are they really that blind? Can they not see that the DRM has made things much much worse?

The most absurd thing? Buying things is supposed to be better for the player as opposed to the pirated version. Here everything is the other way around. Pirates get to enjoy the game, while loyal customers who pay suffer from the idiotic mistake of a well known company.

Basically, if Ubisoft want to get anywhere with PC games, the DRM must go. Then again maybe they just lost interest in PC games...

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#25 w4rrior17
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="w4rrior17"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

how does steam's DRM works?

Steams DRM is you need Steam to play the games. Steam is a form of DRM. Not sure how well it works though, Valve games get pirated a bunch too.

so basically you need to install steam?

Yep yep. Steam is DRM in its truest definition.
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#26 ampiva
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[QUOTE="ExESGO"]

I approve of this. We are being treated like criminals even though we PAID for the game.

They should just let the games require Steam, which by the way is a really good form of DRM.

ohthemanatee

how does steam's DRM works?

I've been thinking of getting the Orange Box

It's almost the same. You can keep playing if you lose your connection but the offline mode is completely useless.
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#27 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="ExESGO"]

I approve of this. We are being treated like criminals even though we PAID for the game.

They should just let the games require Steam, which by the way is a really good form of DRM.

ampiva

how does steam's DRM works?

I've been thinking of getting the Orange Box

It's almost the same. You can keep playing if you lose your connection but the offline mode is completely useless.

what happens in offline mode?
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#28 WhiteKnight77
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Steam is a form of DRM, but on the plus side is you can play games offline. I would not have been able to play SHV while I was on a job in Canada, but I could play SHIII that I bought through Steam as I put it in offline mode and could play it anywhere. You just have to ensure that before you set Steam to offline, it is updated.

Some Steam games do track achievements online (such as Portal), but you can still play it offline. I just started using Steam earlier this year (New Year's Day) when I bought SHIII. I then bought CoH and even that is playable offline.

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I thought they said they would remove their DRM when pirates had succesfully cracked it, to my knowledge it was cracked months ago.

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It was cracked in the first few days, they bluffed. To my knowledge though, The DRM keeps pirates off the splinter cell servers completely. So no downloadable extras or proper multiplayer
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[QUOTE="ventnor"]

I thought they said they would remove their DRM when pirates had succesfully cracked it, to my knowledge it was cracked months ago.

Frenzyd109

It was cracked in the first few days, they bluffed. To my knowledge though, The DRM keeps pirates off the splinter cell servers completely. So no downloadable extras or proper multiplayer

Hate to break it to you, but no pirated game can play multiplayer. That's why buying is better :)

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Yeah, they're still there. I bought them both and cracked the drm (which is now officially declared legal to do in the U.S., although I'm not sure if it was ever illegal). AC2 is great (play with a gamepad) and scc is meh.
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Yeah, they're still there. I bought them both and cracked the drm (which is now officially declared legal to do in the U.S., although I'm not sure if it was ever illegal). AC2 is great (play with a gamepad) and scc is meh. SAGE_OF_FIRE

You cracked it? Doesn't that mean no online saves?

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#33 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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I dunno, doesn't need online saves I guess. I have a wireless connection for the time being so the drm was really a killer.
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Yeah, they're still there. I bought them both and cracked the drm (which is now officially declared legal to do in the U.S., although I'm not sure if it was ever illegal). AC2 is great (play with a gamepad) and scc is meh. SAGE_OF_FIRE
Actually, cracking computer programs is still illegal. There's only a very narrow exception which allows people to circumvent access controls for the sole purpose of "testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities". Basically, you can only crack a game if your intent is to study the effect it has on the security of your computer, if you have reason to believe that a particular DRM may make your computer more vulnerable to attack. If you find compelling proof, you have the right to correct it. Even so, the act of testing for this purpose is not supposed to be done via an online crack, which could in fact introduce an external security threat...

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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Yeah, they're still there. I bought them both and cracked the drm (which is now officially declared legal to do in the U.S., although I'm not sure if it was ever illegal). AC2 is great (play with a gamepad) and scc is meh. SakusEnvoy

Actually, cracking computer programs is still illegal. There's only a very narrow exception which allows people to circumvent access controls for the sole purpose of "testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities". Basically, you can only crack a game if your intent is to study the effect it has on the security of your computer, if you have reason to believe that a particular DRM may make your computer more vulnerable to such viruses. If you find compelling proof, you have the right to correct it. Even so, the act of testing for this purpose is not supposed to be done via an online crack, which could in fact introduce an external security threat...

I didn't read into the news much but it was very very recent and I think it had something to do with apple or something......
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[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Yeah, they're still there. I bought them both and cracked the drm (which is now officially declared legal to do in the U.S., although I'm not sure if it was ever illegal). AC2 is great (play with a gamepad) and scc is meh. SAGE_OF_FIRE

Actually, cracking computer programs is still illegal. There's only a very narrow exception which allows people to circumvent access controls for the sole purpose of "testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities". Basically, you can only crack a game if your intent is to study the effect it has on the security of your computer, if you have reason to believe that a particular DRM may make your computer more vulnerable to such viruses. If you find compelling proof, you have the right to correct it. Even so, the act of testing for this purpose is not supposed to be done via an online crack, which could in fact introduce an external security threat...

I didn't read into the news much but it was very very recent and I think it had something to do with apple or something......

The law was passed on very recently, that customers can bypass the DRM if they feel that it is interfering with the game.

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#37 SakusEnvoy
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[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]Yeah, they're still there. I bought them both and cracked the drm (which is now officially declared legal to do in the U.S., although I'm not sure if it was ever illegal). AC2 is great (play with a gamepad) and scc is meh. SAGE_OF_FIRE

Actually, cracking computer programs is still illegal. There's only a very narrow exception which allows people to circumvent access controls for the sole purpose of "testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities". Basically, you can only crack a game if your intent is to study the effect it has on the security of your computer, if you have reason to believe that a particular DRM may make your computer more vulnerable to such viruses. If you find compelling proof, you have the right to correct it. Even so, the act of testing for this purpose is not supposed to be done via an online crack, which could in fact introduce an external security threat...

I didn't read into the news much but it was very very recent and I think it had something to do with apple or something......

Yeah, the big news was that they made jailbreaking a smartphone legal for the purpose of running unapproved independent applications. And yet, for some reason they still do not allow people to circumvent an access control for a computer program that they own, bought and are not infringing upon in any way. The exception above was added, though... unfortunately it is still very narrow. It will be a long hard fight to get back full consumer rights.