Do you agree that famous developers that many ppl love are greedy?

First,this is not a disruptive post.I don't say they are 100% greedy.I just want to discuss this matter.

here are some proof for some developers:

1.Valve:left 4 dead 2.Do I need to tell you more?

2.Blizzard:world of warcraft is destroying many peoples life.I have heard some people abondoned their real life and only tending WoW.but blizzard don't care about that[and should not.who abondon his money printing machine]

3Bioware:.Sonic chronicles:dark brotherhood.

and I don't I even need to talk about publishers like EA:!: or activision or ubisoft.

Discuss! but I am really worry about moderators:(

:lol:dnuggs40

Im don't get how WoW players make Blizzard greedy. It's their own stupid choice for playing the game and putting its value above their own everyday lives, not Blizzard's.

If anybody is still upset about Left 4 Dead 2, they really need to get over it at this point. L4D 1 is still getting updates and being supported for free. Joystiq.com also said this about L4D2, "It's much more than a simple expansion of the original.".

It's true! All developers, all companies are greedy. They try to take more profit, while spending less of their money.

First,this is not a disruptive post.I don't say they are 100% greedy.I just want to discuss this matter.

here are some proof for some developers:

1.Valve:left 4 dead 2.Do I need to tell you more?

What's wrong with part 2? I know it uses the same engine but they could of just called it an expansion...

2.Blizzard:world of warcraft is destroying many peoples life.I have heard some people abondoned their real life and only tending WoW.but blizzard don't care about that[and should not.who abondon his money printing machine]

Blizz is not to blame for stupid people who can't control their addictions, and of course they don't care, why would they?

3Bioware:.Sonic chronicles:dark brotherhood.

Tried to make Sonic an RPG, and failed I heard...

and I don't I even need to talk about publishers like EA:!: or activision or ubisoft.

Of course they are greedy... it's a business, they HAVE to be to stay afloat...

Discuss! but I am really worry about moderators:(

herzalot

yes. oh, you forgot activision with modern warfare 2 charging 60 bucks for pc.

also, blizzard isnt greedy for WoW...they are greedy for making 3 starcraft 2 games and charging 60 for at least the first.

yes. oh, you forgot activision with modern warfare 2 charging 60 bucks for pc.

also, blizzard isnt greedy for WoW...they are greedy for making 3 starcraft 2 games and charging 60 for at least the first.

rhetorical question here.. would wal-mart have as good a buisness if they stopped advertising?

yes. oh, you forgot activision with modern warfare 2 charging 60 bucks for pc.

also, blizzard isnt greedy for WoW...they are greedy for making 3 starcraft 2 games and charging 60 for at least the first.

joshthor

rhetorical question here.. would wal-mart have as good a buisness if they stopped advertising?

aura_enchanted

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rhetorical question here.. would wal-mart have as good a buisness if they stopped advertising?

herzalot

No, you can't. Because at the end of the day, all that matter is the profit the company gained.

yeah but i am not to sure

[QUOTE="herzalot"][QUOTE="aura_enchanted"]

rhetorical question here.. would wal-mart have as good a buisness if they stopped advertising?

No, you can't. Because at the end of the day, all that matter is the profit the company gained.

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[QUOTE="herzalot"]Look,You can be both an awesome company and ungreedy company.just like black isle.herzalot

No, you can't. Because at the end of the day, all that matter is the profit the company gained.

[QUOTE="Berserker1_5"]

[QUOTE="herzalot"] Look,You can be both an awesome company and ungreedy company.just like black isle.herzalot

No, you can't. Because at the end of the day, all that matter is the profit the company gained.

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[QUOTE="herzalot"] Look,You can be both an awesome company and ungreedy company.just like black isle.herzalot

No, you can't. Because at the end of the day, all that matter is the profit the company gained.

Why is a company good? Hmm?? When they make games that satisfy you, correct? Why do they do that? Obviously to make huge profit? Correct?

WoW has about 10 million players; they all pay 15$ a month. If I'm right, it 150$ a month. NO COMPANY needs that money to keep the game going. Obviously, they are bringing huge money. In one year, its about 1.7billion.
EA makes games that barely have a good content. Some games are just a little better then their previous once, but they still try to make profit. This is greedy.

Read what WoW did to blizzard.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/101/1015095p1.html

http://www.playfuls.com/news_12158_The_profits_behind_10_million_World_of_Warcraft_subscribers.html

All Companies are greedy for only releasing good games and not making sequels to things that dont sell.

IMO Stellerstone is the most greedy, they didn't make a sequel to bigrigs.

(all sarcasm)

:lol:dnuggs40

Yeah adding more content for people to play is greedy. :roll:

As I said to someone before on this forum, it's supply and demand. It's one of the fundamentals of business.

They make $1.7 Billion a year just from the subcription from WoW. Servers are about 200-500 Million. Content is about 20-50 Million(30 mil is to actually make a good game). Where do the rest go? Obviously, this is profit. Profit=greedy.

Question...

Let's say I make cookies. Before I bring my cookies out to the market, I check out the competition and see most companies are selling a box for $2. I look at my expected sales...oh...say 100,000 boxes of cookies a year. Then I look at my margins...and my initial production costs are around $150,000 a year. I decide that with my projected sales and my costs are both acceptable and release my cookies to the world!

Within the first six months my cookies take off like a rocket ship...600,000 boxes sold! Within a couple of years I have cornered the cookie market, and have annual box sales of 10 million a year. Obviously my profit margins are off the scale, although my costs have also increased...probably just not at the same rate as sales. At the cookie factory I am getting huge discounts for bulk pricing which makes it more cost effective (per cookie) to make.

So with everything said, I am offering the same amount of cookies for the same price as others cookie companies, not only that, but obviously people like my cookies too and feel they are worth the price. So the question is, why do I need to lower the prices of my cookies?

Question...

Let's say I make cookies. Before I bring my cookies out to the market, I check out the competition and see most companies are selling a box for $2. I look at my expected sales...oh...say 100,000 boxes of cookies a year. Then I look at my margins...and my initial production costs are around $150,000 a year. I decide that with my projected sales and my costs are both acceptable and release my cookies to the world!

Within the first six months my cookies take off like a rocket ship...600,000 boxes sold! Within a couple of years I have cornered the cookie market, and have annual box sales of 10 million a year. Obviously my profit margins are off the scale, although my costs have also increased...probably just not at the same rate as sales. At the cookie factory I am getting huge discounts for bulk pricing which makes it more cost effective (per cookie) to make.

So with everything said, I am offering the same amount of cookies for the same price as others cookie companies, but obviously people like my cookies better. So the question is, why do I need to lower the prices of my cookies?

dnuggs40

Something is wrong with you!

Nothing is wrong with me...I just understand how business works. And because this is the way things work, we all get to play fantastic computer games!dnuggs40

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]Nothing is wrong with me...I just understand how business works. And because this is the way things work, we all get to play fantastic computer games!dakan45

They make $1.7 Billion a year just from the subcription from WoW. Servers are about 200-500 Million. Content is about 20-50 Million(30 mil is to actually make a good game). Where do the rest go? Obviously, this is profit. Profit=greedy.

Berserker1_5

First,this is not a disruptive post.I don't say they are 100% greedy.I just want to discuss this matter.

here are some proof for some developers:

1.Valve:left 4 dead 2.Do I need to tell you more?

2.Blizzard:world of warcraft is destroying many peoples life.I have heard some people abondoned their real life and only tending WoW.but blizzard don't care about that[and should not.who abondon his money printing machine]

3Bioware:.Sonic chronicles:dark brotherhood.

and I don't I even need to talk about publishers like EA:!: or activision or ubisoft.

Discuss! but I am really worry about moderators:(

herzalot

In order for the Devs to thrive they need profits...How else should they be paying for hundreds of thousands of employees when they only make a game once, maybe twice every year. sometimes it's even once every 2 years...They need money incase of future problems. Servers need to be maintained, events need to be hosted, and commercials need to run. All requires money.

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They make $1.7 Billion a year just from the subcription from WoW. Servers are about 200-500 Million. Content is about 20-50 Million(30 mil is to actually make a good game). Where do the rest go? Obviously, this is profit. Profit=greedy.

-Unreal-

I thought Blizzard was still a name under Vivendi.

All companies have turned kinda greedy the last few years, more money less qualitydakan45

[QUOTE="Berserker1_5"]

They make $1.7 Billion a year just from the subcription from WoW. Servers are about 200-500 Million. Content is about 20-50 Million(30 mil is to actually make a good game). Where do the rest go? Obviously, this is profit. Profit=greedy. If you were serious about the figure then go to the previous posts of mine. I have links.

-Unreal-

Nope, I am just a guy who doesn't try to justify the reason why Blizzard charges 15$ to play.

Nothing is wrong with me...I just understand how business works. And because this is the way things work, we all get to play fantastic computer games!

[QUOTE="dakan45"]All companies have turned kinda greedy the last few years, more money less qualityblade55555

Actually, you are wrong. The reason why companies delay games(not every company does this) is because they try to improve it to INCREASE the chances of gaining profit.

As much as you want to protect Blizzard you can't. They are gaining huge profit from WoW. 1.7 billion a year. That's without sales from games, or anything like that. That's just from the subscription. Blizzard wasn't doing good till they made WoW. Though, Blizzard does like to take their time because they have a huge profit coming from WoW.

Other companies are different though. they have different methods of making profit. They either make games fast for a fast profit. They don't care about customer satisfaction.

Deal with it, profit mean greed.

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="Berserker1_5"]

They make $1.7 Billion a year just from the subcription from WoW. Servers are about 200-500 Million. Content is about 20-50 Million(30 mil is to actually make a good game). Where do the rest go? Obviously, this is profit. Profit=greedy.

Berserker1_5

Nope, I am just a guy who doesn't try to justify the reason why Blizzard charges 15$ to play.

[QUOTE="blade55555"][QUOTE="dakan45"]All companies have turned kinda greedy the last few years, more money less qualityBerserker1_5

Actually, you are wrong. The reason why companies delay games(not every company does this) is because they try to improve it to INCREASE the chances of gaining profit.

As much as you want to protect Blizzard you can't. They are gaining huge profit from WoW. 1.7 billion a year. That's without sales from games, or anything like that. That's just from the subscription. Blizzard wasn't doing good till they made WoW. Though, Blizzard does like to take their time because they have a huge profit coming from WoW.

Other companies are different though. they have different methods of making profit. They either make games fast for a fast profit. They don't care about customer satisfaction.

Deal with it, profit mean greed.

Blizzard wasn't doing good till they made WoW.

Berserker1_5

Really, man, what the heck are you talking about?

They weren't doing good until they made WoW? Where did you get that?

Ontopic: all companies are somehow greedy, there no denying it, this is friggin business.

[QUOTE="blade55555"][QUOTE="dakan45"]All companies have turned kinda greedy the last few years, more money less qualityBerserker1_5

Actually, you are wrong. The reason why companies delay games(not every company does this) is because they try to improve it to INCREASE the chances of gaining profit.

As much as you want to protect Blizzard you can't. They are gaining huge profit from WoW. 1.7 billion a year. That's without sales from games, or anything like that. That's just from the subscription. Blizzard wasn't doing good till they made WoW. Though, Blizzard does like to take their time because they have a huge profit coming from WoW.

Other companies are different though. they have different methods of making profit. They either make games fast for a fast profit. They don't care about customer satisfaction.

Deal with it, profit mean greed.

[QUOTE="Berserker1_5"]

[QUOTE="-Unreal-"][QUOTE="Berserker1_5"]

They make $1.7 Billion a year just from the subcription from WoW. Servers are about 200-500 Million. Content is about 20-50 Million(30 mil is to actually make a good game). Where do the rest go? Obviously, this is profit. Profit=greedy.

-Unreal-

Nope, I am just a guy who doesn't try to justify the reason why Blizzard charges 15$ to play.

There is a difference between Supply and Demand. I am not good with how it works and all that, but there is always a profit involved. At times there are people who get "greedy". In this case, it's the company. "We" demand that we have a game that allows us to play for hours and hours without getting bored. Some companies don't supply that, and yet they get a profit.

I did not pull the figures from my head. It's command knowledge.
How much do they charge people monthly?? $15 (commen sence)
How much players are there? 11 Million now http://www.wow.com/2008/10/28/world-of-warcraft-hits-11-million-subscribers-worldwide/
What's the profit monthly? 11,000,000 * 15$ = ? 165,000,000
How much in a year?? 165,000,000 * 12 months=??

Then we use some other links
How much money does it take to make a average game??(Halo took 45)
How much does a server cost (most expensive a year ago was 500 million)

Here is a link, don't talk out of your ass. It's a little old, but still.

http://www.playfuls.com/news_12158_The_profits_behind_10_million_World_of_Warcraft_subscribers.html

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[QUOTE="blade55555"] There are companies that are not like that. Blizzard is 1 I dont' care what you say they are not greedy in the fact that they release less quality games. Proof of this is delaying their games so they are good (sc2 being delayed to 2010 makes them LOSE more money they could release it like EA does and it would make a huge profit but why are they not releasing it then? Because they want a good, quality game that people will play for hours and hours not a game that will be played for a week then get bored of Red alert 3 is a great example of this). Blizzard is my favorite pc company because they take their fruiting time on games unlike every other company. Its why blizzards games sell good, and are actually good quality. No other pc company can match them just because every other pc company releases games asap and dont' take as much time as blizzard does. Also making a profit does not mean they are greedy that's what business is how stupid can you be to say making a profit means your a greedy company like EA? Please people use your fruiting brains.Nibroc420

Actually, you are wrong. The reason why companies delay games(not every company does this) is because they try to improve it to INCREASE the chances of gaining profit.

As much as you want to protect Blizzard you can't. They are gaining huge profit from WoW. 1.7 billion a year. That's without sales from games, or anything like that. That's just from the subscription. Blizzard wasn't doing good till they made WoW. Though, Blizzard does like to take their time because they have a huge profit coming from WoW.

Other companies are different though. they have different methods of making profit. They either make games fast for a fast profit. They don't care about customer satisfaction.

Deal with it, profit mean greed.

I understand this. I agree completely. Though, all that advertising, all that subcription are all for the sole purpose to gain a profit. That's what greed it.

They make $1.7 Billion a year just from the subcription from WoW. Servers are about 200-500 Million. Content is about 20-50 Million(30 mil is to actually make a good game). Where do the rest go? Obviously, this is profit. Profit=greedy.

Berserker1_5

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[QUOTE="Berserker1_5"]

Actually, you are wrong. The reason why companies delay games(not every company does this) is because they try to improve it to INCREASE the chances of gaining profit.

As much as you want to protect Blizzard you can't. They are gaining huge profit from WoW. 1.7 billion a year. That's without sales from games, or anything like that. That's just from the subscription. Blizzard wasn't doing good till they made WoW. Though, Blizzard does like to take their time because they have a huge profit coming from WoW.

Other companies are different though. they have different methods of making profit. They either make games fast for a fast profit. They don't care about customer satisfaction.

Deal with it, profit mean greed.

Berserker1_5

I understand this. I agree completely. Though, all that advertising, all that subcription are all for the sole purpose to gain a profit. That's what greed it.

being successful is not a bad thing; if they feel their product is worth $60 and you don't, then let your wallet do the talking. It has nothing to do with greed, end of story.

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No. Profit means you can pay the thousands of people working under you to do their jobs and do them well.
You have 300 people? (i dont know exact numbers) working on a game. Each makes roughly $100,000 a year (i'm pulling # from my no-where, i admit)
Thats 30 million yearly for that one division, working on that one game.

Blizzard hasn't released a game this year. and they've delayed SC2. So thats another year that they turn no profit (other than WoW) yet they have to pay server fees, they have to pay for blizzcon, they have to advertise, they have to do all these things that cost millions of dollars, and on top of that, they have to pay all their employees who're working on D3, SC2, the expansions for SC2, that new IP mmo, their advertising teams, their publishing teams... so on and so forth.

The same can be said with any company, if they dont make profit, they'll die.

Nibroc420

I understand this. I agree completely. Though, all that advertising, all that subcription are all for the sole purpose to gain a profit. That's what greed it.

I agree, but that's only because Blizzard has found an alternative. They don't need to waste money making a dozen of games every year. They now have a game that gives them HUGE profit(WoW), and they can focus and take their time making other games. Though, same can't be said for every company. Some company make dozens of games a year. Only a few come out to be good. Other still make sale. That's still a profit to them.

Seriously, there is no need to charge 60$ for a game(XboX). PS3 I can understand(Blue-Ray disc).

I'd like to make 100,000. Btw, that's greed, but it's not a bad thing.

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[QUOTE="Berserker1_5"]

Actually, you are wrong. The reason why companies delay games(not every company does this) is because they try to improve it to INCREASE the chances of gaining profit.

As much as you want to protect Blizzard you can't. They are gaining huge profit from WoW. 1.7 billion a year. That's without sales from games, or anything like that. That's just from the subscription. Blizzard wasn't doing good till they made WoW. Though, Blizzard does like to take their time because they have a huge profit coming from WoW.

Other companies are different though. they have different methods of making profit. They either make games fast for a fast profit. They don't care about customer satisfaction.

Deal with it, profit mean greed.

Berserker1_5

I understand this. I agree completely. Though, all that advertising, all that subcription are all for the sole purpose to gain a profit. That's what greed it.