Do you justify piracy over arrogance of software companys ?

Do you justify piracy over arrogance of software companys ? My few friends playing every game but never bought a single, and i think its idiotic. But also i think that idiotic is to buy every single game from company who simply troll players. Its better to watch , inspect , play demo then to buy. What is your toughts fellow GS users?

Games are too expensive when they first come out.

anyone who says yes is getting reported..

anyone who says yes is getting reported..

ionusX

I think there are many instances where piracy can be justified. It's a blanket term that encompasses too many things.

There are those people who do buy a game, but find themselves pirating it for a DRM-free experience

There are those people who actually can't get a game in their region, so they pirate it

There are people who pirate so they can try out a game before buying

There are people, like me, who pirate games that aren't being offered by the devs themselves. Blizzard doesn't sell Warcraft 1 anymore, so I did download it, but was willing to pay for it.

Another personal example. I recently played through Banjo Kazooie on my PC, but I own the N64 game. I just don't have a tv to hook my N64 to.

But no I don't justify piracy to spite a company, or because you don't have the money to pay for it. Both instances are stealing.

I think there are many instances where piracy can be justified. It's a blanket term that encompasses too many things.

There are those people who do buy a game, but find themselves pirating it for a DRM-free experience

There are those people who actually can't get a game in their region, so they pirate it

There are people who pirate so they can try out a game before buying

There are people, like me, who pirate games that aren't being offered by the devs themselves. Blizzard doesn't sell Warcraft 1 anymore, so I did download it, but was willing to pay for it.

Another personal example. I recently played through Banjo Kazooie on my PC, but I own the N64 game. I just don't have a tv to hook my N64 to.

But no I don't justify piracy to spite a company, or because you don't have the money to pay for it. Both instances are stealing.

Raymundo_Manuel

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I think there are many instances where piracy can be justified. It's a blanket term that encompasses too many things.

There are those people who do buy a game, but find themselves pirating it for a DRM-free experience

There are those people who actually can't get a game in their region, so they pirate it

There are people who pirate so they can try out a game before buying

There are people, like me, who pirate games that aren't being offered by the devs themselves. Blizzard doesn't sell Warcraft 1 anymore, so I did download it, but was willing to pay for it.

Another personal example. I recently played through Banjo Kazooie on my PC, but I own the N64 game. I just don't have a tv to hook my N64 to.

But no I don't justify piracy to spite a company, or because you don't have the money to pay for it. Both instances are stealing.

jonleeprice

Stealing a car neccessitates that someone else is losing it. No one loses anything when you download a 10+ year old game that the publisher doesn't sell anymore. It's not like you download a copy from someone else and then they lose it. If cars could be copied like computer files, then yes, I would say stealing cars via a copy/paste to your own driveway is completely justified, and doesn't hurt anyone.

I think there are many instances where piracy can be justified. It's a blanket term that encompasses too many things.

There are those people who do buy a game, but find themselves pirating it for a DRM-free experience

There are those people who actually can't get a game in their region, so they pirate it

There are people who pirate so they can try out a game before buying

There are people, like me, who pirate games that aren't being offered by the devs themselves. Blizzard doesn't sell Warcraft 1 anymore, so I did download it, but was willing to pay for it.

Another personal example. I recently played through Banjo Kazooie on my PC, but I own the N64 game. I just don't have a tv to hook my N64 to.

But no I don't justify piracy to spite a company, or because you don't have the money to pay for it. Both instances are stealing.

Raymundo_Manuel

Do you justify piracy over arrogance of software companys ? My few friends playing every game but never bought a single, and i think its idiotic. But also i think that idiotic is to buy every single game from company who simply troll players. Its better to watch , inspect , play demo then to buy. What is your toughts fellow GS users?

Assimilat0r

I think pirates should all be locked up so people who actually contribute to society can enjoy their games without DRM.

I have no moral objections to most of those (legal is another matter). The big exception is #3. Consumers have no right to try before buying. If I pay for admittance to a museum of art, and the art sucks, I don't get the entrance fee refunded. When I go to see The Avengers, they don't let me watch it for free and then only make me pay if I liked the movie. Same with games. You have no right to try before buying. And if one really needs to try before buying, there are often legal alternatives. Find a friend who has the game and play it first, rent the game, try out some demos, or just wait until it's been out for a while and then get a used copy for really cheap. Unlike a situation in which the developer isn't releasing the game and it simply isn't available anywhere, this is a situation in which it's actually very easy to play the game with little or no expense. It might require asking around and it might require waiting a while, but you'll eventually get to play it legally. Pirating is not a necessity.MrGeezer

You can't get used PC games, or rent them. Also, I realize that "the consumer has no right to try before buying" is just the way of world, but I fundamentally disagree with that mentality. There have actually been quite a few games that I've pirated to try them, and then bought because I liked them so much. If those games had some kind of readily available demo, then I probably would've met the same end (buying the game because I like it) without pirating in the first place. Maybe devs should bring back the days of free demos. Remember the 90s? Shareware demos. That was a great system. It should still be around. Might cut down on piracy without alienating honest customers with obtrusive DRM. Then again, a lot of highly-hyped yet crappy games would probably see lower sales numbers, too...

I have no moral objections to most of those (legal is another matter). The big exception is #3. Consumers have no right to try before buying. If I pay for admittance to a museum of art, and the art sucks, I don't get the entrance fee refunded. When I go to see The Avengers, they don't let me watch it for free and then only make me pay if I liked the movie. Same with games. You have no right to try before buying. And if one really needs to try before buying, there are often legal alternatives. Find a friend who has the game and play it first, rent the game, try out some demos, or just wait until it's been out for a while and then get a used copy for really cheap. Unlike a situation in which the developer isn't releasing the game and it simply isn't available anywhere, this is a situation in which it's actually very easy to play the game with little or no expense. It might require asking around and it might require waiting a while, but you'll eventually get to play it legally. Pirating is not a necessity.MrGeezer

Perhaps it wasn't a complete thought.

First off we'll get the fact that renting, the used market is pretty much non-existent on the PC.

The other thing is that demos, and other alternatives like renting, and used copies, are readily available for a huge portion of the market.

It might not make it right, but if a developer isn't releasing a demo then they aren't really upholding to a standard that's been in place for decades.

I only say it because I personally know people who practice this for games with no demos.

I only say it because I personally know people who practice this for games with no demos.

Raymundo_Manuel

Here here. I played the hell out of the shareware demos for Duke Nukem 1, 2, and 3D, and bought them because the demos showed me that they kicked ass. When Duke Nukem Forever finally came about, shareware demos were pretty much a thing of the past. So I pirated the game, played it through in like 5 hours, then deleted it and said, "well there's $50 bucks saved. guess I should probably go buy a big bag of weed and forget about this".

No. I use actions within the boundries of the law to show my disapproval. If a game isn't worth buying or I don't like the company making it for whatever reason I simply don't buy OR play it. I would like to say it's entirely because of moral reasons but I also think it would be foolish to risk any legal consequence no matter how remote over a $60 game.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I have no moral objections to most of those (legal is another matter). The big exception is #3. Consumers have no right to try before buying. If I pay for admittance to a museum of art, and the art sucks, I don't get the entrance fee refunded. When I go to see The Avengers, they don't let me watch it for free and then only make me pay if I liked the movie. Same with games. You have no right to try before buying. And if one really needs to try before buying, there are often legal alternatives. Find a friend who has the game and play it first, rent the game, try out some demos, or just wait until it's been out for a while and then get a used copy for really cheap. Unlike a situation in which the developer isn't releasing the game and it simply isn't available anywhere, this is a situation in which it's actually very easy to play the game with little or no expense. It might require asking around and it might require waiting a while, but you'll eventually get to play it legally. Pirating is not a necessity.Raymundo_Manuel

Perhaps it wasn't a complete thought.

First off we'll get the fact that renting, the used market is pretty much non-existent on the PC.

The other thing is that demos, and other alternatives like renting, and used copies, are readily available for a huge portion of the market.

It might not make it right, but if a developer isn't releasing a demo then they aren't really upholding to a standard that's been in place for decades.

I only say it because I personally know people who practice this for games with no demos.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I only say it because I personally know people who practice this for games with no demos.

the_bi99man

Here here. I played the hell out of the shareware demos for Duke Nukem 1, 2, and 3D, and bought them because the demos showed me that they kicked ass. When Duke Nukem Forever finally came about, shareware demos were pretty much a thing of the past. So I pirated the game, played it through in like 5 hours, then deleted it and said, "well there's $50 bucks saved. guess I should probably go buy a big bag of weed and forget about this".

[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I only say it because I personally know people who practice this for games with no demos.

MrGeezer

Here here. I played the hell out of the shareware demos for Duke Nukem 1, 2, and 3D, and bought them because the demos showed me that they kicked ass. When Duke Nukem Forever finally came about, shareware demos were pretty much a thing of the past. So I pirated the game, played it through in like 5 hours, then deleted it and said, "well there's $50 bucks saved. guess I should probably go buy a big bag of weed and forget about this".

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]

Here here. I played the hell out of the shareware demos for Duke Nukem 1, 2, and 3D, and bought them because the demos showed me that they kicked ass. When Duke Nukem Forever finally came about, shareware demos were pretty much a thing of the past. So I pirated the game, played it through in like 5 hours, then deleted it and said, "well there's $50 bucks saved. guess I should probably go buy a big bag of weed and forget about this".

JigglyWiggly_

The problem there is that the developers spent considerable time and money making the game. You then played the game and didn't give them a damn cent. Look...you're not paying for a GOOD game, you're paying for A GAME. You played the game and provided no compensation to the people actually doing the work. The bottom line is that game developers are NOT entitled to your money. We're also not entitled to their game. If one is that on-the-fence with regards to the quality, then they simply should avoid playing it. MrGeezer

I'm just making the point about demos. They need to make a comeback. I was pointing out that I bought all the old Duke Nukem games way back in the day because I played the demos and knew the were great. There was no readily available demo for DN Forever, so I downloaded it to try it out, fully intending to buy a copy if I liked it, because I love the Duke Nukem franchise (still play DN 1, 2 and 3D regularly). Unfortunately, one of the various reasons I decided against buying it is because the game was only barely longer than a demo.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I have no moral objections to most of those (legal is another matter). The big exception is #3. Consumers have no right to try before buying. If I pay for admittance to a museum of art, and the art sucks, I don't get the entrance fee refunded. When I go to see The Avengers, they don't let me watch it for free and then only make me pay if I liked the movie. Same with games. You have no right to try before buying. And if one really needs to try before buying, there are often legal alternatives. Find a friend who has the game and play it first, rent the game, try out some demos, or just wait until it's been out for a while and then get a used copy for really cheap. Unlike a situation in which the developer isn't releasing the game and it simply isn't available anywhere, this is a situation in which it's actually very easy to play the game with little or no expense. It might require asking around and it might require waiting a while, but you'll eventually get to play it legally. Pirating is not a necessity.the_bi99man

You can't get used PC games, or rent them.

Dont blame gamers, whole system is rotten!!! I payed 2000 $ for my gaming PC and i got just a PC without anything they said pay 150 $ more for original System or use that one we installed already(Pirate version). Its every where situation like that in Towns wide Europe only a Major Citys got better situations.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I think there are many instances where piracy can be justified. It's a blanket term that encompasses too many things.

There are those people who do buy a game, but find themselves pirating it for a DRM-free experience

There are those people who actually can't get a game in their region, so they pirate it

There are people who pirate so they can try out a game before buying

There are people, like me, who pirate games that aren't being offered by the devs themselves. Blizzard doesn't sell Warcraft 1 anymore, so I did download it, but was willing to pay for it.

Another personal example. I recently played through Banjo Kazooie on my PC, but I own the N64 game. I just don't have a tv to hook my N64 to.

But no I don't justify piracy to spite a company, or because you don't have the money to pay for it. Both instances are stealing.

MrGeezer

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

I think there are many instances where piracy can be justified. It's a blanket term that encompasses too many things.

There are those people who do buy a game, but find themselves pirating it for a DRM-free experience

There are those people who actually can't get a game in their region, so they pirate it

There are people who pirate so they can try out a game before buying

There are people, like me, who pirate games that aren't being offered by the devs themselves. Blizzard doesn't sell Warcraft 1 anymore, so I did download it, but was willing to pay for it.

Another personal example. I recently played through Banjo Kazooie on my PC, but I own the N64 game. I just don't have a tv to hook my N64 to.

But no I don't justify piracy to spite a company, or because you don't have the money to pay for it. Both instances are stealing.

WizardGlass

I actually chastise my friends for pirating, not that it does any good.

Do you justify piracy over arrogance of software companys ? My few friends playing every game but never bought a single, and i think its idiotic. But also i think that idiotic is to buy every single game from company who simply troll players. Its better to watch , inspect , play demo then to buy. What is your toughts fellow GS users?

Assimilat0r

anyone who says yes is getting reported..

ionusX

anyone who says yes is getting reported..

ionusX

games too pricy at 60 dollasJigglyWiggly_

No they aren't.

I have no problem paying $60 if a game is going to give me 10+ hours of entertainment.

PC gamers are willing to drop $150 on a new motherboard, $200 on a processor, $300+ on a GPU and be willing to upgrade every 2-3 years, but when it comes to a $10 increase in games they believe they are getting ripped off and start pirating.

yes i do

Piracy is very misuderstood I think. While there's obviously the gamer who can definitely afford the games, there are many people who can't, either because of their financial state or because of the financia state of their country. Let me give you an example. A very close friend of mine is from Bulgaria. I went with him to his family's house during the easter holidays. Now, the average worker there gets paid 300-400 euros a month. But rent is extremely cheap, food is extremely cheap, etc. And games are 50/60 euros. His family lived in a large cottage there, they wouldn't be able to pay even form a tiny appartment here. Most of his relatives pirated every single game, simply because with the cost of 1 game they can buy 1 month's food.

It's propably the same for most eastern-European ex-USSR bloc countries, as well as many Asian and African states. And that's where piracy happens the most. The occasional douchebag that's in a good financial situation but still pirates exists, but this is the minority. Basically, most people who pirate games do it because there is no other way for them to play the game.

Which brings us to DRM. I have to put up with a crapload of total bullsh*t, so they can try to stop something they can't do sh*t about. I don't justify piracy, but piracy is inevitable, and I sure as hell will rather take my 60 euros elsewhere than put up with their policies.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]games too pricy at 60 dollasWasdie

No they aren't.

I have no problem paying $60 if a game is going to give me 10+ hours of entertainment.

PC gamers are willing to drop $150 on a new motherboard, $200 on a processor, $300+ on a GPU and be willing to upgrade every 2-3 years, but when it comes to a $10 increase in games they believe they are getting ripped off and start pirating.

Don't forget nothing is stopping the person from just waiting for the price to go.. Steam for instance is filled with amazing deals every month..

Piracy is very misuderstood I think. While there's obviously the gamer who can definitely afford the games, there are many people who can't, either because of their financial state or because of the financia state of their country. Let me give you an example. A very close friend of mine is from Bulgaria. I went with him to his family's house during the easter holidays. Now, the average worker there gets paid 300-400 euros a month. But rent is extremely cheap, food is extremely cheap, etc. And games are 50/60 euros. His family lived in a large cottage there, they wouldn't be able to pay even form a tiny appartment here. Most of his relatives pirated every single game, simply because with the cost of 1 game they can buy 1 month's food.

It's propably the same for most eastern-European ex-USSR bloc countries, as well as many Asian and African states. And that's where piracy happens the most. The occasional douchebag that's in a good financial situation but still pirates exists, but this is the minority. Basically, most people who pirate games do it because there is no other way for them to play the game.

Which brings us to DRM. I have to put up with a crapload of total bullsh*t, so they can try to stop something they can't do sh*t about. I don't justify piracy, but piracy is inevitable, and I sure as hell will rather take my 60 euros elsewhere than put up with their policies.

QQabitmoar

The only problems with the video game industry is that PC gamers are singled out with DRM and the degrading quality of video games combined with rising prices (constantly releasing unfinished material). Both of those problems can be solved by waiting for the price to drop and then purchasing the game for what you consider it's worth. Neither of those problems will ever be solved by pirating the game... It speaks volumes more when you avoid purchasing a game because of DRM or other issues as opposed to being an impatient/immature and just pirating the game. Companies just view pirated copies as "lost sales" as opposed to angry/dissatisfied customers.

The only instance where I would consider pirating even remotely morally acceptable would be educational material that's too expensive for students.

Piracy is very misuderstood I think. While there's obviously the gamer who can definitely afford the games, there are many people who can't, either because of their financial state or because of the financia state of their country...

QQabitmoar

There are no justifiable reasons to pirate anymore.

"$60 too expensive! I already spent $2,000 on my SLI rig!!"

- Wait for a price drop/Steam sale you cheap, f-ing self-entitled jack @ss.

"The game companies are greedy and evil!"

- Then don't buy games. You are NOT entitled to them just because you don't like the "game companies". Nevermind that the game companies are moslty made up of hard working programmers/artists that aren't exactly rolling in dough.

"There are no DEMOOOOOOS"

- There are 150 different gaming websites/blogs which will tell you all you need to know abotu a game before you purchase. There are 100 you tube play through video sof every game an hour after the game releases. There are various outlets like OnLive and Gaikai which tend to have streaming timed demos of most games. You can even play them through any broswer. Demos cost money and time to make. Money better spent on improving the actual game.

Not all $60 games warrant their prices. Especially with the half-assed support they are getting.

But if the game is available in your area, and you can get it on sale for $5-10, I really don't see the point of "pirating" it (I don't like that term, its so disconnected from it's own meaning, when used in context like this).

But with today's sales on DD sites, I don't really see a reason, unless it just isn't available in the area you are, or at all. For instance yes, some of the music I want, and listen to are not available in stores, or for premium downloads (ANYWHERE).

Though it is not really theft, and is not the problem so many try to make it out to be, even try to limit freedom of speech by adhering to the policing of it.

I just find it ridiculous how this stuff is so blown out of proportion. If as much effort were put in to say, I don't know... Global hunger, or the national deficit, as they put into combating piracy... Then we might actually get somewhere.

Yeah but why stop at games, it's like Cannabis, it's the starter to worse things.JohnF111

LOL,:lol:

People saying things like this just make me laugh.

Games are too expensive when they first come out.

HyperWarlock

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Yeah but why stop at games, it's like Cannabis, it's the starter to worse things.Lach0121

LOL,:lol:

People saying things like this just make me laugh.