Does 100hz really matter on tvs?

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#1 Dave-90
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Hi, I am thinking about buying a sharp LC32LE600E led tv and so far it looks amazing, however on a couple of reviews the one thing that crops up a lot is that the 60hz refresh rate on this tv can result in motion blur. Basically I am wondering if you guys out there have 60hz tvs and do they have as much motion blur as I have read? are these 100-120hz tvs worth the extra cash? Im mainly going to use it for games

any info is appreciated cheers!

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#2 rastan
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Have you actually played with the TV and checked out a variety of material on the TV? If yes and you don't see the blur why do you care?

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#3 Dave-90
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not seen it properly yet, just online thats why Im asking to see if anyone else has had a look at this tv for themselves

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#4 rastan
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I definitely recommend you don't by any TV sight unseen. Check it out for yourself. Personally, I would not spend that kind of money for a 32" when you could probably get a superior 42" or 50" plasma at that price with no motion blur and superior contrast.
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#5 monson21502
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I definitely recommend you don't by any TV sight unseen. Check it out for yourself. Personally, I would not spend that kind of money for a 32" when you could probably get a superior 42" or 50" plasma at that price with no motion blur and superior contrast.rastan
if your not gonna get a 120/240 hz tv. then go with plasma. 120hz lcd or leds do something that plasmas and non 120hz tvs dont. when its on it makes the movies more real. like your looking out a window watching it live right in front of you. but you might notlike that affect, alot of people dont, butyou can turn it off. but go check out one with that feature if you like it go for it. i love it

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#6 cystern
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They actually make an led tv thats 60hz?

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#7 rastan
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They actually make movies look more like soap operas/reality TV instead of film. I hate it as do many others but you can often disable it in these sets. This is an LCD specific technology to deal with the inherent motion blur that is present in LCD's and has no direct comparison feature in plasma as they do not need it.
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#8 rastan
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Also, some LED TV's simply swap out the CFL for LED along the sides of the TV for backlight for no real improvement in LCD contrast. This is different than localized LED backlighting that can actually improve the contrast in LCD's.
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#9 Dave-90
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Il have a look at some plasma tvs as well cheers. just checked some other sites and apparently this tv is only 50hz, will that just make everything look terrible? my main concern is how games will look, if its gonna look like a slideshow during games then I might go with plasma

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Also, some LED TV's simply swap out the CFL for LED along the sides of the TV for backlight for no real improvement in LCD contrast. This is different than localized LED backlighting that can actually improve the contrast in LCD's.rastan
Isn't that what Samsung does? I know the sidelighting is why their LEDs are so thin, but it apparently also causes backlight bleed and clouding. And another question. Why do plasmas not need it? I know that the 600hz spec is BS. It says on my brother's Samsung 1920x1080(or whatever res) at 60hz. Is the response time the reason for no blur or anything?
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#11 rastan
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The better Samsung LED based LCD's utilize localized dimming which helps them approach plasmas in their black level. Plasmas do not need 120/240 Hz processing because the on/off in plasma pixel is nearly instantaneous whereas with LCD's there is an inherent lag that the 120/240 hz processing attempts to address. The 6000 Hz spec is not the same thing, but came about purely as a marketing effort to counter the perception that "better LCD's have 120/240 Hz and plasma doesn't" even though it never needed it to begin with. Here's a descent article: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-10243372-82.html and http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10144265-1.html
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I have 32" 1080p lcd with 60hz, I have yet to see bad refresh rate or anything go wrong, image quality is amazing as well, after this tv...I stopped watching regular cable haha

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[QUOTE="rastan"]The better Samsung LED based LCD's utilize localized dimming which helps them approach plasmas in their black level. Plasmas do not need 120/240 Hz processing because the on/off in plasma pixel is nearly instantaneous whereas with LCD's there is an inherent lag that the 120/240 hz processing attempts to address. The 6000 Hz spec is not the same thing, but came about purely as a marketing effort to counter the perception that "better LCD's have 120/240 Hz and plasma doesn't" even though it never needed it to begin with. Here's a descent article: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-18438_7-10243372-82.html and http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10144265-1.html

Thanks, that cleared a lot up. Reading the comments in the 2nd link, it's the hold time. People are saying CRTs don't hold the frame as much as an LCD or plasma. And the LG Infinias with 480hz this year will have a hold time equal to a CRTs. Interesting.
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#14 rastan
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I have not read about the Infinia's yet, but plasmas have similar "hold times" to CRT and as such don't require the 120/240/480 processing.
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#15 WiiRocks66
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The Infinias look promising and impressive. Based on what I've read on them so far, the 480hz is different from the 120/240hz in other LEDs and LCDs. I wonder when they ship. I can't wait to go see them in stores.

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#16 rastan
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From what I read, it is the same type of tech in a localized LED LCD. Nice no doubt, but the best LCD panels so far have only approached what the very best plasmas can do and are still comparably more expensive. If you want to see the current benchmark in HDTV, track down a Pioneer Kuros if you can still find one or the high end Panasonic plasmas like the TC-P58V10.
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#17 monson21502
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I have 32" 1080p lcd with 60hz, I have yet to see bad refresh rate or anything go wrong, image quality is amazing as well, after this tv...I stopped watching regular cable haha

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i think if you get a good newer brand lcd .almost none of them have the problems some lcds suffered from in the past. motion blur, lag, or ghosting. just like there isnt much burn in on plazmas on the newer models. these people dont want these problems on their products or else no one will buy them.
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#18 godzillavskong
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I purchased a 46 Sony Bravia 1080p 60hz tv a while back, and I really haven't noticed this infamous motion blur. I plan on upgrading to the 52 Sony that's 120hz, so I can put the 46 in my garage(future gameroom). The only real blur or pixel related issues I notice are from the cable box. My Blu rays, HD Dvds, and games play fine, and look smooth in action. I think the higher the hz may cause the depth to look more clear though. Thats what I noticed when looking at the 120 hz, or maybe it was just in my mind, knowing that the tv was 120hz, so its supposed to be better.

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my mother own a sony bravia xbr series that coted over $2200 its 240 hz. but she shuts of the 240hz and just leaves it at 60hz. the 120&240 hz actually makes games& most movieslook worse. its funny how movies are filmed at 24 fps anyway and game usually run from 30-60 frames so the hz arent even doing anything. the only thing the 240hz works good for are spots&nascar. most people on these forums who have 120&240hz tvs shut off these features when gaming.