Downsides to plasma TVs?

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#1 MaxPred2010
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How long does it take for image retention to occur, and how long does it take to wear off?

I see some people saying burn-in isn't a problem anymore, then I see other comments from just months ago saying that channel logos are getting imprinted on their plasmas after just 30 minutes. How exactly do you calibrate your TV for the first 100 hours to prevent this?

And I also hear from some people saying they have lots of sunlight in their homes, and yet the glare isn't that bad, no worse than a CRT. Yet others are saying to get an LCD if you have light coming into your house.

Are there any other big downsides I should know about? Specifically for PS3 gaming, cable and Blu-rays.

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#2 YoungSinatra25
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It'll all depend on make and model. Its still there but compared to LCD cons its not even noticeable. A quality Panasonic or Samsung and you should have no worries. After gaming on a cheapo Plasma (Sanyo) I was surprised at how even a cheap 720p Plasma could blow me away. Not just minimizing motion blur and improved black levels, but less jaggies and input lag. (wow!) If you've only gamed on LCDs your missing out. KZ2 on a Plasma!... Done! Go get fresh pants.
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#3 MaxPred2010
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I'm looking at a Panasonic Viera 1080p 42" plasma.
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#4 LoserMike
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I have a 720p 42' Panasonic Viera from 2007 and I'm having no problems except glare from direct sunlight. It could easily be taken care of by closing your blinds. Lights from other sources don't seem to cause as much glare for some odd reason.

For the 100-hour thing, you could either use a DVD and loop a bunch of colors or insert an SD card into your TV and do the same thing.

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#5 Ghost_702
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I have a Samsung and noticed image retention after owning it for like 9 months. I first noticed it after playing GTAIV for about 6 hours. The minimap stayed on the screen. Then I noticed a samsung logo imprint on the screen because I forgot to turn if off one night. They're fixed now because there's this pixel shift thingamajig that the tv does but it was still somewhat surprising. I overall enjoy it more than my lcd, but that may also be because my plasma is bigger and from samsung, instead of polaroid. I know, I didn't know they made tv's either.
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#6 KHAndAnime
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I'm looking at a Panasonic Viera 1080p 42" plasma.MaxPred2010
My Viera has terrible burn-in. Just saying. 5 minutes of something on the screen = burn in that will take 5 minutes to go away.
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#7 Baselerd
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Well, plasma displays have slower response times, although more recent ones have less so of a problem with that. They do have burn in if you leave them on, again an issue you can avoid if you just turn off the tv when you arent using it. Plasma displays are generally cheaper :)

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#8 monson21502
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almost every name brand that i was shopping for last year in my price range 900-1100had user reviews of buzzing or humming noise.

the only upside to them really is *deeper blacks?*

other downsides they use to much power which would hurt me since i cant run the ac and the microwave at the same time without the fuse box shutting off.

another one is they are heavy. and they have really bad glare problems. to be honest plasmas are like upgraded crt tvs. which is a good thing for most people

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#9 Blicen
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Well, plasma displays have slower response times, although more recent ones have less so of a problem with that. They do have burn in if you leave them on, again an issue you can avoid if you just turn off the tv when you arent using it. Plasma displays are generally cheaper :)

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Yeah, the latest plasma models carry response times of 0.001ms (look at the Panasonic Viera 2010 specs) 600hz refresh rate etc. By all means, if you want an affordable big screen display with minimal lag for gaming plasmas arent too bad of a way to go. I think the only downside with them really at this moment is the power consumption, size and weight of the actual displays. Otherwise they seem like a pretty good way to go (again I'm refering to the later 2009,2010 model plasmas) I think it really just boils down to what you have to spend and what you want in a display, generally when it comes to bigger screen LCD TVs it seems like you have to pay a good amount to get an LCD that has very minimal lag, and LED tvs seem to be really laggy at this moment (this is from personal experience and from what I've played on as far as LED tvs go)
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#10 LoserMike
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Well, plasma displays have slower response times, although more recent ones have less so of a problem with that. They do have burn in if you leave them on, again an issue you can avoid if you just turn off the tv when you arent using it. Plasma displays are generally cheaper :)

Baselerd
Plasmas actually have faster response times compared to LEDs and LCDs. Usually motion-blur and input lag happens on LCDs, that's why you have to set your TV to game mode to play games.
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#11 rastan
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Correct. Plasmas have much faster response time than LCD. Newer ones also use about the same power as equivalently sized LCD's with standard material (plasmas use more with a full white screen and much less with a full black screen. LCD's use the same all the time. As long as your not running your plasma in "torch/vivid" mode, image retention should be a non-issue.
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#12 MaxPred2010
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This guy just said in this topic that he has burn-in after 5 minutes. Then some of you others are telling me that it's a non-issue. So what's the story here? It's hard to make a decision when I get conflicting reports like this.
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#13 rastan
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Go to thew store turn on even the cheapest Panasonic or Samsung plasma and find a channel with a logo on it or a DVD menu. Wait 5 minutes change the screen content and see if you see any image retention. I don't think you will. If you do, the set is probably set to vivid or somebody set the contrast/brightness at maximum. Some omage retention can occur over long periods, but burn-in is a thing of the past. Image retention goes away, burn-in does not.
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#14 kos_instinct
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You have to keep in mind though, that plasmas do have very much higher refresh rate than ANY LCD or LED. LCD lose color from wide angles, plasmas don't. Although all plasmas have a glass screen the tend to reflect way more light than LCD or LED. But the newer plasmas out now have a clear coat film that reduces light glare. But in my opinion, if you are like me and want the best of both worlds; go with LED. Twice the lifetime, doesn't lose quality from wide angels and doesn't reflect near what the plasma does. Also, the dynamic color contrast ratio is huge. Up to 8 mil to 1 ratio!?!? AWESOME!
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1. You should ALWAYS do a 100 hour of burn in before using your Tv for regular use, which is roughly 4 straight days. 2. Don't buy cheap. The best Plasma tv's in comparison to the best LCD's in the 50+ inch range are vastly cheaper, so it's cost effective to buy Plasma if you want the best picture quality from 50+ inches. 3. After the 100 hour mark, the only concern for image retention is movie and video game menu's. TV stations are basically fine because there's a commercial break every 5-10 or so minutes. ACTIVATE YOUR TV SCREENSAVER, most Tv's in general have this and it's a godsend.

http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/

That link, just like most of Cnet's top "whatever's", is kept up to date.

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#16 rastan
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LED based LCD's have their own issues. Yes, LED helps LCD native contrast approach plasma level contrast, but localized dimming causes other issues that you may find very distracting. Also, LED TV's still don't have as wide a viewing angle as plasma.
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#17 UnnDunn
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The biggest downside to Plasma TV IMHO is the heat generation. It gets hot enough to keep a medium-sized bedroom pretty warm during the winter, and during the summer it can result in your AC having to work a lot harder. The energy usage of current-gen Plasma TVs is not that big of a deal... it will probably cost you about $30-$40 extra a year over a comparably-sized LCD/LED set... anyone who can afford a $1000 TV should have no issue with that.

All of the advantages to Plasma TVs--deep blacks, full motion resolution, negligible input lag, wide viewing angle, no motion estimation trickery and lower purchase cost--more than outweigh the disadvantages, IMHO.

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#18 oajlu
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Plasama = reflection...have fun with it.

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#19 rastan
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Many high end LCD's also utilize a reflective screen to "increase the wow factor" and make the picture seem to pop more. Disadvantage, these reflect more than the non-reflective matte screens.
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#20 kos_instinct
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it also depends on what LED you get. But SAMSUNG and VIZIO have done a great job in making their LED'S viewable from wide angles.
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#21 dxmcat
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I dunno what all the fuss about viewing angles is. If its your tv, you are obviously sitting infront of it. If you have friends over, I doubt there are 10+ people all staring at the same screen spread from one side of the room to the other.

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#22 LoserMike
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I dunno what all the fuss about viewing angles is. If its your tv, you are obviously sitting infront of it. If you have friends over, I doubt there are 10+ people all staring at the same screen spread from one side of the room to the other.

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Umm.. most couches could only fit 4 people. Usually if you have more than 4 people, people will be watching from weird angles.
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#23 rastan
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Yeah. If you are watching a game with a group of people or gaming with a group of people, often people are all over the place.
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#24 MaxPred2010
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This is the specific TV:
http://tinyurl.com/ykvpbc7

Is that a good choice for PS3/Blu-rays/cable?

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#25 rastan
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That's a good TV for that price. How far you going to sit from it? If you are going to sit more than 5' from it, you can save even more going with 720p as you can't see 1080p from a 42" set if sit further than that distance. I think they even have a 46" version around that same price. (You need to sit closer than 6' to see the difference between 720p/1080p on a 50" set).