Dragon Age 2 gone missing.

The game was removed because Valve does not like the fact that you have to buy the new DLC in game in DA2. They would prefer if EA allowed use of there store.

Is STEAM getting too greedy? Or is this EA's doing?FelipeInside

It's EA's doing obviously. No other publisher has this problem.

That game sucked anyways, so nothing of value was lost.

And not a single **** was given that day. Two crap games removed, but still, I hope it stops there before good games get removed

Is STEAM getting too greedy? Or is this EA's doing?FelipeInside

And not a single **** was given that day. Two crap games removed, but still, I hope it stops there before good games get removed

wis3boi

Is STEAM getting too greedy? Or is this EA's doing?FelipeInside

New Steam TOS requires DLC to be sold exclusively through Steam starting from a certain date. As a result, the new Street Fighter and Fable 3 are GFWL games whose DLC isn't available on GFWL. Effin' Microsoft had to release DLC through Steam. Codemasters gets away with GFWL DLC due to previous contracts. EA won't modify their DLC policy.

DA2 is better than the first one by the way.

So basically STEAM has some fault since it wants all the DLC through their system...?FelipeInside

Why should they distribute content and not get paid for it? It's their content servers and their bandwidth.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]So basically STEAM has some fault since it wants all the DLC through their system...?Remmib

Why should they distribute content and not get paid for it? It's their content servers and their bandwidth.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]So basically STEAM has some fault since it wants all the DLC through their system...?Remmib

Why should they distribute content and not get paid for it? It's their content servers and their bandwidth.

The game was removed from Steam you have buy it from Origin or buy it at a retail store

Is STEAM getting too greedy? Or is this EA's doing?FelipeInside

Valve is definitely starting to feel the greed. The new DLC policy is kinda BS.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Is STEAM getting too greedy? Or is this EA's doing?Baranga

New Steam TOS requires DLC to be sold exclusively through Steam starting from a certain date. As a result, the new Street Fighter and Fable 3 are GFWL games whose DLC isn't available on GFWL. Effin' Microsoft had to release DLC through Steam. Codemasters gets away with GFWL DLC due to previous contracts. EA won't modify their DLC policy.

DA2 is better than the first one by the way.

EA and Biware went to crap years ago.

I can't believe people still try to defend either one of them.

Is STEAM getting too greedy? Or is this EA's doing?FelipeInside

No great loss. DA2 is one of the worst games I have ever played. Seriously, everyone involved with that game should lose his or her job.

I believe this has all come about thanks to Steam now distributiing those free 2 play games. It would seem that Valve has changed the conditions to state that any DLC released must be through steam. this was primarily done because of the F2P games to prevent companies from using steam to release their main game and then cutting valve out of any DLC they try to sell.

Personally I would prefer Valve to ditch the f2p games and carry on selling "commercial" games. I have no doubt that there is also a fair bit of arrogance from EA too here choosing to use this as an excuse to side swipe Valve and paint Valve as the bad guys. In short they are both at fault, naturally the loser is the PC gamer and really both Valve and EA should get their head out of their respective rear ends and get the thing sorted.

I believe this has all come about thanks to Steam now distributiing those free 2 play games. It would seem that Valve has changed the conditions to state that any DLC released must be through steam. this was primarily done because of the F2P games to prevent companies from using steam to release their main game and then cutting valve out of any DLC they try to sell.

Personally I would prefer Valve to ditch the f2p games and carry on selling "proper" games. I have no doubt that there is also a fair bit of arrogance from EA too here choosing to use this as an excuse to side swipe Valve and paint Valve as the bad guys. In short they are both at fault, naturally the loser is the PC gamer and really both Valve and EA should get their head out of their respective rear ends and get the thing sorted.

charmingcharlie

So because Crysis 2 and DA2 were removed by EA they are crap games now? Wow great logic there wis3boi.V4LENT1NE

I do not like dragon age 2, as much as I liked dragon age origins, and I don't think the other guys meant, that DA2 n CR2 are crap games because of the removal, they just meant they are crap games :P

I have to say thou, that I think DA 2 is decent, not crap- however, considering the fact that it's a bioware game, and a sequel to DA: Origins, then it may be argued, that it's a crap game.

I don't know about f2p, you might be right. But 2K Games did GamersGate really wrong. They told GamersGate they could sell Borderlands (which they still do), but never allowed them to sell any of the DLCs. How dumb can 2K Games be?topsemag55

As far as I am aware the DLC for Borderlands is via steam isn't it ? If that is the case then it is totally wrong to exclude other sellers from selling that content. I don't approve of steam being cut out of the supply chain in favour of other services and equally I don't approve of other services being cut out in favour of steam.

I get the feeling Valve believes the PC platform will eventually end up being primarily a "f2p market" where you get the basic game for free and get micro transactioned up the wazoo. It doesn't take an expert to see that is very very bad for steam if they are not allowed to take a cut of the DLC (essentially they would end up distributing the game for free and see no income).

This problem is NOT insurmountable it can be easily fixed, but I also get the feeling there is a fair bit of commerical posturing here. Like I said both companies are acting like morons, it is bad for EA, it is bad for Valve and it is bad for the commercial prosperity of the PC.

Whilst I am here though can we please drop the talk about "how good a game is/or isn't" that is not the issue here. If you think dragon age 2 sucked then great, fine (I agree) but that is not important at the moment and hardly anything to do with the actual topic.

I just wish they'd stop beating around the bush and elucidate to us these mysterious disappearances of digital goods.

Seems like Valve's TOS is very inflexible towards DLC. But I am not concerned about Dragon Age 2's DLC since the first game's DLC was awful. The base games for both iterations have been amazing, but DLC (for DAO), not so much. Can't comment on DA2's DLC since I haven't played it yet.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

The DLC is actually getting a pretty positive reception, so maybe it's worth a purchase if you liked Dragon Age 2.

So because Crysis 2 and DA2 were removed by EA they are crap games now? Wow great logic there wis3boi.V4LENT1NE

Nope, I'm pretty sure they have always been crap games...

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Seems like Valve's TOS is very inflexible towards DLC. But I am not concerned about Dragon Age 2's DLC since the first game's DLC was awful. The base games for both iterations have been amazing, but DLC (for DAO), not so much. Can't comment on DA2's DLC since I haven't played it yet.SkyWard20

The DLC is actually getting a pretty positive reception, so maybe it's worth a purchase if you liked Dragon Age 2.

EA and Biware went to crap years ago.

I can't believe people still try to defend either one of them.

Born_Lucky

One of the reasons I will NOT buy the new Star Wars MMO... EVER!

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"]So because Crysis 2 and DA2 were removed by EA they are crap games now? Wow great logic there wis3boi.Mograine

Nope, I'm pretty sure they have always been crap games...

No great loss. DA2 is one of the worst games I have ever played. Seriously, everyone involved with that game should lose his or her job.

-wildflower-

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] Steam doesn't have to pay anything when users download from GFWL or EA servers...Remmib

Lol I was like lol.

Your head is so far up EA's ass that you can't see for the light of day. You're just suffering from cognitive dissonance because you've invested so much in their god awful service.

EA and Biware went to crap years ago.

I can't believe people still try to defend either one of them.

Born_Lucky

You must have impossibly high gaming standards if you think Bioware are crap.

Wait a minute, EA is going to do this with every game now!? I don't want to have to buy games in different platforms, I just want them on Steam. Add to the fact that retail is overpriced here and I've got a big problem... Any chance of those games coming back?

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]Is STEAM getting too greedy? Or is this EA's doing?trastamad03

New Steam TOS requires DLC to be sold exclusively through Steam starting from a certain date. As a result, the new Street Fighter and Fable 3 are GFWL games whose DLC isn't available on GFWL. Effin' Microsoft had to release DLC through Steam. Codemasters gets away with GFWL DLC due to previous contracts. EA won't modify their DLC policy.

DA2 is better than the first one by the way.

Only due to the half-assed implementation of Steam DLC. In Street Fighter there's a glitch that allows you to buy from GFWL, and in Fable 3 they just replaced the Marketplace button with a link to Steam's DLC page.

In your opinion maybe, reviews from critics say otherwise.V4LENT1NE

Critics also say Oblivion, Fallout 3, Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops are among the best games of this generation, that Fallout 3 is the best Fallout game, I could go on but you get the point ;)

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] In your opinion maybe, reviews from critics say otherwise.Mograine

Critics also say Oblivion, Fallout 3, Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops are among the best games of this generation, that Fallout 3 is the best Fallout game, I could go on but you get the point ;)

People here ignore the fact that reviewers receive financial incentives + vacations to inflate review scores.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

No great loss. DA2 is one of the worst games I have ever played. Seriously, everyone involved with that game should lose his or her job.

RaseshX

Clone? Seriously, what are you babbling on about?

I didn't think DA:O was that great (it was okay) but the second game flat out sucked. It was a poorly designed single-player MMORPG. DA2 is a great example of how not to design a RPG and, yes, they should be fired. The only redeeming quality about the game was that the story wasn't the typical Bioware formula. The game is an embarrassment.

Out of curiosity, anybody has a link with information on this and the clear impact it will have or are we just speculating the outcome?

Does the new valve policy simply obligate devs and publishers to sell the DLC via steam as an option (which would be good) or is it really a case of acquiring some sort of DLC monopoly over the other DD services (which would be bad)?

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="V4LENT1NE"] In your opinion maybe, reviews from critics say otherwise.Remmib

Critics also say Oblivion, Fallout 3, Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops are among the best games of this generation, that Fallout 3 is the best Fallout game, I could go on but you get the point ;)

People here ignore the fact that reviewers receive financial incentives + vacations to inflate review scores.

If by fact you mean odd conspiracy theory, then yes.

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="Mograine"]

Critics also say Oblivion, Fallout 3, Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops are among the best games of this generation, that Fallout 3 is the best Fallout game, I could go on but you get the point ;)

JangoWuzHere

People here ignore the fact that reviewers receive financial incentives + vacations to inflate review scores.

If by fact you mean odd conspiracy theory, then yes.

You are obviously ignorant of these facts.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/call-of-duty-black-ops-review-event-press-gifts-detailed.ars

DA2 has had DLC released since launch so I don't really see how Valve's DLC policy plays a part as it hasn't been an issue between to two before with this game and as far as I'm aware EA is the only one having issues with Valve's DLC policy. It does seem strange that EA and Valve are having all these breach of contracts shortly after the launch of Origins though which is EA's serious attempt a the DD market, Valve isn't liking the added competition or EA is looking for a good PR out from Origins biggest competitor or something. Neither side really wins here so it's strange to see it continue to happen when it hasn't happened before.

The line of reasoning that it is the DLC not being offered on Steam is patently false. Mass Effect 1 and 2, Dead Rising 2, and several other EA games have purchasable DLC through their own storefronts (in case of ME 1 and 2 the Bioware Store) that is NOT available on Steam. Many other games from many other companies have purchasable DLC through their own storefront that is NOT available on Steam.

Unless Valve is grandfathering in every game before a certain date then the DLC argument cannot hold up, which means EA is outright lying about why their game are getting pulled from Steam. No other developer has had a game pulled from Steam because of this issue yet. So I find it very hard to believe EA is the only one.

Edited for clarification.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

People here ignore the fact that reviewers receive financial incentives + vacations to inflate review scores.

Remmib

If by fact you mean odd conspiracy theory, then yes.

You are obviously ignorant of these facts.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/11/call-of-duty-black-ops-review-event-press-gifts-detailed.ars

Starting to see why games like Mount and Blade get low scores.

In the end we can all agree that this is stupid for both companies and they both are gonna lose money from it...