Dragon Age II : sacrificing PC advantages for console friendly gameplay?

The game sold better on consoles.

Though there will be a quickbar, and the combat won't be simplified, just faster and more flashy (it'll look like DMC, but play like DAO)

I've seen hundreds of these threads already.

Well, it may not be developed primarily with the PC in mind, but all the other BioWare 'ports' I've played felt natural, so there's no reason to try and 'degrade' them by calling them 'console ports'.

Im thinking the changes will be similar to mass effect vs mass effect 2, slightly simplified in places and made to be even more like playing a movie. Im thinking combat will become more timing than tactical though in terms of when to click rather than what order to if that makes sense, either way will have to wait and play it before we know :P

The game sold better on consoles.

Though there will be a quickbar, and the combat won't be simplified, just faster and more flashy (it'll look like DMC, but play like DAO)

Darth_Kane

So far, I have mixed feelings for DA2

I support a voiced protagonist, but hate paraphrasing of dialogue options. (why can't they have both full text and paraphrased text, like Deus Ex: HR)

I support the faster combat, but hate the static armor for party members (10 years most party members will wear the exact same thing)

I support it being more cinematic, but hate that it's much shorter now. (it'll be ME2's lenght)

And I don't really care about the overview camera since I never used it

What about the fact that there's no choice of race or origin for the protagnist. I would rather have that than a voiced one. A voiced protagonist just ruins the immersion IMO.GeneralShowzer

I'd rather have a voiced protagonist than multiple races. Though for origins, they just wanted to finish the game more quickly. It's dissapointing, but not that much of a problem since every other RPG doesn't have origins and this way, they'll be able to focus much more on a single origin. For example, you'll have a sister as a permament party member (maybe a brother too), and much more connections to your origin during the story (rather then just a line change if you're different race or origin)

The game sold better on consoles.

Though there will be a quickbar, and the combat won't be simplified, just faster and more flashy (it'll look like DMC, but play like DAO)

Darth_Kane

Actually that's not true. EA said that it sold better on PC.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

The game sold better on consoles.

Though there will be a quickbar, and the combat won't be simplified, just faster and more flashy (it'll look like DMC, but play like DAO)

GeneralShowzer

Actually that's not true. EA said that it sold better on PC.Kinthalis

And Mike Ladlaw, lead designer for DA2 said it sold better on consoles

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Actually that's not true. EA said that it sold better on PC.Darth_Kane

And Mike Ladlaw, lead designer for DA2 said it sold better on consoles

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Actually that's not true. EA said that it sold better on PC.Darth_Kane

And Mike Ladlaw, lead designer for DA2 said it sold better on consoles

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Don't know what people have against that ( not saying you do ). It's like DnD nerds are saying 'Noooo! Yet another game with more than 2 attack animations, and one where you don't have to miss your swing at the enemy for the 1000th time. Forsooooooth!'SkyWard20

I enjoy Baldurs Gate a lot. And i accept that it's an RPG. If i wanted twitch gameplay waving huge swords around i would play DMC

[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

The game sold better on consoles.

Though there will be a quickbar, and the combat won't be simplified, just faster and more flashy (it'll look like DMC, but play like DAO)

Kinthalis

Actually that's not true. EA said that it sold better on PC.

The first game truley was amazing. I am sure the second game will be just as good, even without some of the features that are being removed. Also, I am sure the consoles versions sold a lot more than the pc versions. So it would make sense why they are focusing on the consoles this time around.

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[QUOTE="Darth_Kane"]

The game sold better on consoles.

Though there will be a quickbar, and the combat won't be simplified, just faster and more flashy (it'll look like DMC, but play like DAO)

lawlessx

Actually that's not true. EA said that it sold better on PC.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Actually that's not true. EA said that it sold better on PC.

GeneralShowzer

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=259160

"It reads: "For budgetary reasons, we focused our work on a third person view, that asks for very detailed and nice textures so that the player can admire the game with a close-up view," he said. "With an aerial view [isometric] we should cover much more ground and so create other textures. Now, the game mainly sold on console, so we're going the way of the audience."

Doesn't say anywhere that the PC version sold the least PS3 + 360 is a huge audience. Ofcouse combined they will have more sales.GeneralShowzer

Screw Dragon Age, where's Mass Effect 3 Bioware? :x

Screw Dragon Age, where's Mass Effect 3 Bioware? :x

psn8214

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Why does the RPG genre even exist? It's just for hardcore nerds and losers. Real men play God of War or something.GeneralShowzer

I enjoy Baldurs Gate a lot. And i accept that it's an RPG. If i wanted twitch gameplay waving huge swords around i would play DMC

I kind of like the change, I thought Dragons Age played like a poor version of Baldurs Gate and even though I used the top down view I never felt like I would be missing much without it.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Don't know what people have against that ( not saying you do ). It's like DnD nerds are saying 'Noooo! Yet another game with more than 2 attack animations, and one where you don't have to miss your swing at the enemy for the 1000th time. Forsooooooth!'SkyWard20

I kind of like the change, I thought Dragons Age played like a poor version of Baldurs Gate and even though I used the top down view I never felt like I would be missing much without it.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Why does the RPG genre even exist? It's just for hardcore nerds and losers. Real men play God of War or something.Legolas_Katarn

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I kind of like the change, I thought Dragons Age played like a poor version of Baldurs Gate and even though I used the top down view I never felt like I would be missing much without it.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] So you actually enjoy having to miss around 1000 times in Baldur's Gate?SkyWard20

To me all the changes sound good so far, as long as the difficulty is scalable. Many gamers just want to complain...

To me all the changes sound good so far, as long as the difficulty is scalable.

TerrorRizzing

I for one am sick of having to think while gaming, it interrupts the beer drinking.

Bioware needs to remove the story, inventory, XP, dialogue choice and anything but a 1-button combo builder that automatically does awesome stuff when you mash it enough.

and anything but a 1-button combo builder that automatically does awesome stuff when you mash it enough.

Yes there's a problem here. Maybe i should ask myself some question. Am i doing this right? Am i a real RPG fan? GeneralShowzer

Don't understand why missing a dozen times makes it a RPG. If that's a RPG then no, I don't like RPG's.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="Legolas_Katarn"] ....Yes. I do enjoy when things like dodging, armor, defensive spells, parries, or just missing makes you miss or do no damage.

Legolas_Katarn

And I was talking about the combat. It can really be tedious no matter how you spin it.

And YES I AM a low level character, but I am doing the quests that are first available to me. Don't know what our gaming ancestors were thinking when they made the game so that most of the party members fail to hit the target. Are they drunk? Are they dizzy? Are they... slow?

This is funnier than the Kotor 2 spacesuit Parkinson's disease. Well... not really.

Like there will no tactical overview.Lich_king1993

There is a tactical overview. The isometric cam won't be pushed back as high as in DAO, but it will be more than in consoles. [Source]

Combat will also be simplifiedLich_king1993

Nope. Combat on PC is the same as in Origins. Using your mouse, you click on the enemy and your character auto-attacks. Only the animation speed of the characters have been amped up during combat. [Source]

I am wondering if there will quickbar or no.Lich_king1993

Yes there is a quickbar, and it has a new look. [Source]

There's no tactical overview. You will be able to zoom out a bit. That's what they say. You're reading what you want to read. GeneralShowzer

It's a modified isometric cam and it lets you zoom out more than what we saw on the console demos (one of them had a player pulling the camera back and moving Bethany to a spot).

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]There's no tactical overview. You will be able to zoom out a bit. That's what they say. You're reading what you want to read. ralph2190

It's a modified isometric cam and it lets you zoom out more than what we saw on the console demos (one of them had a player pulling the camera back and moving Bethany to a spot).

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/dragon-age-2-gameplay-2/351703

Go to the 6:00 minute mark. There you see the player choose an option that has a large zoomed out view, and then moves Bethany to a location.

Expect a much more zoomed out view for the PCs, since the devs have confirmed so.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/dragon-age-2-gameplay-2/351703

Go to the 6:00 minute mark. There you see the player choose an option that has a large zoomed out view, and then moves Bethany to a location.

Expect a much more zoomed out view for the PCs, since the devs have confirmed so.

ralph2190

Looks pretty simplified to me. No ISO camera either. But there will be a quick bar. And you're right. They are focusing more on the console versions this time. It's pretty obvious.GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Looks pretty simplified to me. No ISO camera either. But there will be a quick bar. And you're right. They are focusing more on the console versions this time. It's pretty obvious.xsubtownerx

DA II, all versions are being worked on internally. No third party company here bud. And there's no Iso camera as stated here http://kotaku.com/5692653/dont-worry-dragon-age-ii-is-for-you-too

There are some changes PC fans should know, about how their version will differ. First, and this is sort of a non-difference, but the PC game won't be made separately this time. All versions of the game are being made by BioWare's internal teams.

The bigger change, however, is that the game will no longer support an overhead tactical view on any platform.

LOL. You are full of fail. DA II, all versions are being worked on internally. No third party company here bud. And there's no Iso camera as stated here http://kotaku.com/5692653/dont-worry-dragon-age-ii-is-for-you-tooGeneralShowzer

How many times do I have to tell you man? We are getting a modified overhead camera. I quoted a dev saying that you can zoom out further than in consoles but you still don't get it. How stubborn are you?

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Looks pretty simplified to me. No ISO camera either. But there will be a quick bar. And you're right. They are focusing more on the console versions this time. It's pretty obvious.GeneralShowzer

DA II, all versions are being worked on internally. No third party company here bud. And there's no Iso camera as stated here http://kotaku.com/5692653/dont-worry-dragon-age-ii-is-for-you-too

I've read the stuff on that forum too. He explained the camera. You can zoom out, but not up. I don't know what that means, but the only thing clear is that there is no isometric camera. GeneralShowzer

I don't know about you but I would much rather take a camera that can zoom far enough, and it will be a heck of a lot better than not having it at all. I have told you like a billion times already to wait on some real PC footage before we can nail down the exact details but it seems that every time there is a DA2 thread here, you bring up the same topics every damn time!

Laidlaw demonstrates how that changes the gameplay by taking me over to the PC situated in the corner, where he takes a moment to demonstrate the new tactical camera before jumping into battle. It's actually not all that different from the original camera, though it sits at more of an angle this time around.

The idea is to afford a good view of the battlefield while resolving technical problems that lowered the graphical fidelity across all three platforms, Laidlaw says. My impression is that it makes for a solid middle ground between a pure third-person view and the overhead camera of old; at the very least, it doesn't impact the ability to issue orders and direct characters about the battlefield.

Oh noes!

I always used "more of an angle" in DAO, it allows a better view of the battlefield.