Duo Core Games and Quad Core Games

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#1 bandieramonte
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Hello everyone,

I'm about to build up my own rig, but am having a hard time deciding whether to choose the E6850 processor or the Q6600 processor. As we all must know, the former has 2 cores, while the later hast 4 cores. In games that use up the 4 cores, the quad would perform better. In games that only use 2 or 1 core, the E6850 would perform better because of it's higger speed (3 ghdz versus 2.4 ghdz). So, I must base my decision depending on the recent games and future games.

I have been researching a lot in google to try to find which games do presently use 2 cores and which use 4 cores. The first I need is your help on posting a list which indicates the games that actually use the 4 cores.

The second thing I need is to know what's in the mind of the biggest game developers... are they all switching to quad mode? Are they going to keep with single threading? What's the future of the games according to cores usage?

Depending of all of this, the performance between a quad and a duo is largely different. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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#2 yoyo462001
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theres so many of these threads thats it stupid just use the serach function or even look back like two pages.. but E6850 is better in gam than the Q6600, but its more future proof though, but it will take 2 years most likely to start seeing big difference in everyday apps..
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#3 solid_mario
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Overclock the quad to 3.0 Ghz. Problem solved ;)
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#4 blackstar
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If your on the budget get the E6750 ( I wouldnt even consider getting the E6850 in the first place). Save yourself $100. I dont see quad core being implemented on PC games anyrtime soon, it will be for many years to come to fully use it.

But if you want to be be more resistance to futureproofing, get the Q6600, if your budget allows.

As long as you dont get the E6850, your fine. You can always OC the E6750 past ~3.2 Ghz.
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#5 NamelessPlayer
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If your on the budget get the E6750 ( I wouldnt even consider getting the E6850 in the first place). Save yourself $100. I dont see quad core being implemented on PC games anyrtime soon, it will be for many years to come to fully use it.

But if you want to be be more resistance to futureproofing, get the Q6600, if your budget allows.

As long as you dont get the E6850, your fine. You can always OC the E6750 past ~3.2 Ghz.
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This would be my preferred course of action: get a E6750 if you're on a budget and want to overclock a dual-core to high speeds, or get the Q6600 if you can afford one and push it to 3.0 GHz or so. The E6850 isn't worth it when you can buy two extra cores for the same price. (By the way, did I just see a Colossal Cave Adventure reference? >xyzzy Nothing happens. DAMN IT!)
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#6 blackstar
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lol, yup you have caught it!
[QUOTE="hacker_xyzzy"]If your on the budget get the E6750 ( I wouldnt even consider getting the E6850 in the first place). Save yourself $100. I dont see quad core being implemented on PC games anyrtime soon, it will be for many years to come to fully use it.

But if you want to be be more resistance to futureproofing, get the Q6600, if your budget allows.

As long as you dont get the E6850, your fine. You can always OC the E6750 past ~3.2 Ghz.
NamelessPlayer
This would be my preferred course of action: get a E6750 if you're on a budget and want to overclock a dual-core to high speeds, or get the Q6600 if you can afford one and push it to 3.0 GHz or so. The E6850 isn't worth it when you can buy two extra cores for the same price. (By the way, did I just see a Colossal Cave Adventure reference? >xyzzy Nothing happens. DAMN IT!)




Yup you caught the XYZZY term!. It is also a term in The Hackers Dictionary of Computer Jargon.

http://www.hacker-dictionary.com/terms/xyzzy
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#7 bluealien2
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Go with the quad core.
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#8 bandieramonte
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So do you all mean that the E6850 is just an overclocked version of the E6750? Because if this is so, then of course the E6750 is a smarter buy. BUT, if the E6850 indeed has some architectural improvements which naturally provides it with more speed, then the things change...in this case I could then get E6850 and overclock it past the 4 ghdz.... having even more processor power.
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So do you all mean that the E6850 is just an overclocked version of the E6750? Because if this is so, then of course the E6750 is a smarter buy. BUT, if the E6850 indeed has some architectural improvements which naturally provides it with more speed, then the things change...in this case I could then get E6850 and overclock it past the 4 ghdz.... having even more processor power.bandieramonte

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Dude, all Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Pentium Dual-Core E2xxx and Celeron 4xx processors have the same underlying micro architecture: Core 2. For example: The only thing that seperates an E6320 from an E6850 is its stock clock speed.

Games that I know of, off the top of my head, that support multi-threading (in the sense of more than 2 cores):
Supreme Commander
Lost Planet (not very efficiently)
Crysis (not very efficiently)
Unreal Tournament 3
Command and Conquer 3

There are more upcoming games with quad core in mind. Further, developers are learning better ways to multithread games to take advantage of up to four or more cores (UT3 is the best case). Anyone who says that it will take 2 or more years for devs to multithread their games are wrong. Multithreading is occuring here and now, UT3 being the best example of all.

If you're going to buy an Intel processor (for general usage and gaming), there's only three processors I recommend (each in different price brackets):
- Core 2 Duo E4500
- Core 2 Duo E6750
- Core 2 Quad Q6600

Follow those processors and purchase the one that best fits into your budget.

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#10 bandieramonte
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WHAT??? So this means that INTEL is massively robbing everyone, selling E6850's for more than $100 only for more overclocking?? Because if they all have the same architecture, the I'm guessing that what differentiates each of the core 2 duos is its overclocking levels, the higer the number the more overclocking.... This is impressive.

Sorry, but I didn't know this. Then of course, the E4500 would be by far the BEST buy. What what has me concerned is its FSB of only 800 mhz. Can that be overclocked too?

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#11 NamelessPlayer
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Generally, when you overclock a CPU, you overclock the FSB. This results in a faster system overall, as data can be shuttled back and forth between the CPU and the rest of the system faster. Because the E4500's default FSB is 800 rather than 1066, you can overclock the FSB more without stressing out the system as much. However, in order to net a higher FSB, you may have to lower your CPU multiplier to reduce stress on the CPU itself. Generally, a higher FSB outweighs a higher multiplier in terms of performance increase at a given clock speed.
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#12 bandieramonte
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I see. But is the E6750's FSB simply an overclocked version of the E4500's FSB? I mean, the higer the number after the 'E', the higher the overclocking of the FSB and of the speed?
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#13 NamelessPlayer
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The E6750 has a default FSB of 1333 MHz(333 MHz quad-pumped). To attain a clock speed of its default 2.66 GHz, it has a multiplier of 8x. If there were an E6700(let's assume that there is for this scenario), it would probably have a 1066 MHz FSB(266 MHz quad-pumped). To attain 2.66 MHz, it would use a multiplier of 10x. Given stock clock speeds, the E6750 would be the faster of the two...but when overclocking, a different story may be told. You see, CPU multipliers are generally locked upwards(and sometimes downwards as well). Therefore, you can't just raise the E6750's multiplier to 10x and get 3.33 GHz. However, with the E6700, you could just bump up the FSB to 333 and hit 3.33 GHz provided that your temperatures and voltage are sufficient. And, should you have problems pushing the FSB further, you could always drop the multiplier a notch. And, speaking of multipliers, the E6850 is simply a E6750 with a max multiplier of 9x rather than 8x-this is how it attains its stock clock speed of 3.0 GHz at 1333 MHz FSB rather than 2.66 GHz. Is it worth 100 US$ more for the higher multiplier, though? Probably not.