Empire Total War Update 1.6 Is Out

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#1 Gamesterpheonix
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I dont have the game installed currently. Performance was too bad. Any improvement in that regard? Here is what Steam said about the update:

"Update 1.6 for the award winning Empire: Total War is available today. The update introduces a large number of revisions to the Artificial Intelligence in real time battles. Amongst many other improvements, the Battle A.I. now maintains its lines more rigorously, has better army movement and engages in melee more tactically. It is also better at protecting its own advance and engaging opponents with flanking attacks."

So, AI is better, what about performance? I really want to start playing the game. Would be a good get away if it performed well. My Specs:

Q6600 @ 3.2GHz

GTX 260 Core 216

4GB RAM

Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit

Let me know. Thanks in advance people!

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#2 thekodaman
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Well, according to the news page on steam they've updated the A.I in battle.
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#3 V4LENT1NE
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I just played a battle then, the AI kept running away but they did form a line much better and also tried to flank quite a lot, still the pathing is pretty poor. I am getting good performance though.
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I just played a battle then, the AI kept running away but they did form a line much better and also tried to flank quite a lot, still the pathing is pretty poor. I am getting good performance though.V4LENT1NE
Really? I dont get it. My system is pretty good and I dont run any setting on more than High or Medium. I am using an nVidia card though, think thats the problem?
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#5 DigiTM73
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You saying that they are trying to implement the better coding AIof Napoleon into Empire? If so, I take everything back about them. I really thought they would forget Empire as a lost cause, thus refused to buy Napoleon.
I'm impressed.

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#6 bogaty
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You saying that they are trying to implement the better coding AIof Napoleon into Empire? If so, I take everything back about them. I really thought they would forget Empire as a lost cause, thus refused to buy Napoleon.
I'm impressed.

DigiTM73

They had originally promised to release the "new AI" from NTW for ETW when NTW was initially released. Shockingly, they didn't deliver on their promise. Strategic and diplomatic AI are both still busted beyond all hope.

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#7 DigiTM73
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[QUOTE="DigiTM73"]

You saying that they are trying to implement the better coding AIof Napoleon into Empire? If so, I take everything back about them. I really thought they would forget Empire as a lost cause, thus refused to buy Napoleon.
I'm impressed.

bogaty

They had originally promised to release the "new AI" from NTW for ETW when NTW was initially released. Shockingly, they didn't deliver on their promise. Strategic and diplomatic AI are both still busted beyond all hope.


Didn't know that. Still impressed because at least they are trying. I'm not a programmer so I have no idea hard easy or hard it is to fix AI.
When I first got Empire, if I did a siege, and continued, the enemy would send out an army and I would go into one of the epic battles. Now with patches, if I press siege a few times, they surrender, and I barely get to perform a epic battle.
The other night played for 6x hours, and spent all the time on the main map. Not one single epic battle, unless I clicked the button that forces a epic battle.

I'm actually not finding the AI that bad.

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#8 The_Capitalist
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Haven't they mentioned that this will be the last update?

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#9 Gamesterpheonix
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Haven't they mentioned that this will be the last update?

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WHAT?!?!
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#10 bogaty
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No. They said 1.5 would be the last major update involving any bug fixes and any future patches would be minor in nature and would be things like unit reskins, grammar corrections, and the like.

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[QUOTE="bogaty"]

[QUOTE="DigiTM73"]

You saying that they are trying to implement the better coding AIof Napoleon into Empire? If so, I take everything back about them. I really thought they would forget Empire as a lost cause, thus refused to buy Napoleon.
I'm impressed.

DigiTM73

They had originally promised to release the "new AI" from NTW for ETW when NTW was initially released. Shockingly, they didn't deliver on their promise. Strategic and diplomatic AI are both still busted beyond all hope.


Didn't know that. Still impressed because at least they are trying. I'm not a programmer so I have no idea hard easy or hard it is to fix AI.
When I first got Empire, if I did a siege, and continued, the enemy would send out an army and I would go into one of the epic battles. Now with patches, if I press siege a few times, they surrender, and I barely get to perform a epic battle.
The other night played for 6x hours, and spent all the time on the main map. Not one single epic battle, unless I clicked the button that forces a epic battle.

I'm actually not finding the AI that bad.

I think the main reason it was so difficult is that their main AI programmer quit and took all his IP with him. It's difficult to pick up code and understand what's going on or where errors are. That being said, programming isn't that difficult. It's just time consuming. It shouldn't have taken an entire \***\YEAR//***// to get these crucial AI fixes. CA clearly had enough time to 'milk' their product by creating unit DLC.

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Wonder what ever happened to being able to play against someone in domination :P
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I can't believe such a respected game company would release such trash. Try out Supreme Commander 2 there are no bugs and it runs FLAWLESSLY on my comp which is considerably worse then yours.
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#14 DigiTM73
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How big is this patch? I loaded Steam up, but nothing happened in the download area?

Edit: never mind. Steam just did it. Man it took it's sweet time. 5 minutes and it finally woke up to the fact I have the game. Must be a bug in the beta UI, better go and report it.

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#15 WufusRainwright
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What the hell's going on with Steam - it seems to have been 'acting up' since last week?

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I can't believe such a respected game company would release such trash. Try out Supreme Commander 2 there are no bugs and it runs FLAWLESSLY on my comp which is considerably worse then yours.coolmonkeykid
Its a airforce spam then nukes later for me online :(

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#17 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I'm impressed that CA is still supporting Empire even after they said they wouldn't after Napoleon shipped.
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#18 DanielDust
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I'm impressed that CA is still supporting Empire even after they said they wouldn't after Napoleon shipped.Stevo_the_gamer
They said nothing major, and when the game doesn't run and AI is still broken, you know something important isn't being done, so it's as if they aren't doing anything anyway.
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I heard Vader's mod makes the ai FAR better.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]I'm impressed that CA is still supporting Empire even after they said they wouldn't after Napoleon shipped.DanielDust
They said nothing major, and when the game doesn't run and AI is still broken, you know something important isn't being done, so it's as if they aren't doing anything anyway.

Last time I played it, it worked out rather wonderfully.
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#21 DanielDust
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My experience with the game can be described in a single word, crash or better yet failure. I played it on XP, crash, I played it on Vista, crash but this time I couldn't even finish a short mission, and finally on W7, worked just like it did on XP, but it crashes after about 5 short missions or max 16 turns in world domination (or whatever the name was for a long campaign) and that happens even on the lowest settings and the hardware is good enough for high with pretty much all the effects at 1440x900 (constant 48 frames close up and minimum 28 zoomed out of battle). I really want to have fun with it but it's impossible, it's broken, so I'd go for Napoleon since people everywhere praise it but, after the luck I had with Empire it's pretty much the last game I would think of buying even if it might really work great. Thank god for M2: TW.
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#22 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Tis' a pity, could be just something incompatible with your setup since I have well over 100 hours played on it and the only crashes I experienced were at the game's initial launch.
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#23 WufusRainwright
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I heard Vader's mod makes the ai FAR better.

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Darth Vader creates mods for Total War?
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#24 ColdfireTrilogy
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im not impressed at all. ETW was the worst TW game to date ... i dont think anyone ever finished a campaign without at least one bug or crash forcing them to load to an earlier save hoping it wouldnt replicate again : \ And where are teh mp campaigns that we were promised from day one. I never got that and thats why i bought the game.... they wont be getting any $$ from me from now on. I gave up on total war games on Empire.
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#25 gunmaster55555
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im not impressed at all. ETW was the worst TW game to date ... i dont think anyone ever finished a campaign without at least one bug or crash forcing them to load to an earlier save hoping it wouldnt replicate again : \ And where are teh mp campaigns that we were promised from day one. I never got that and thats why i bought the game.... they wont be getting any $$ from me from now on. I gave up on total war games on Empire.ColdfireTrilogy
My thoughts exactly. I got it excited to be able to play multiplayer campaign and that never came... T_T.
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#26 Gamesterpheonix
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Well. With me I did a dirty trick and sold the game discs for the amount I paid for the game and so after that I went and bought all the DLC. lol I know...so wrong in both ways but ya thats the reason why I want to have fun with the game. Its worth it to me. I just wish it ran properly. The damn campaign map still stutters for me and I cant stand that.
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#27 Gr1m505
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Why did they release this garbage in the first place I really tried to like it but this game is damn near unplayable imho.

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#28 ducati101
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Guys just use DarthMod Empire and your problems are sloved! Link 'http://www.moddb.com/mods/darthmod-empire' It has in short: -Even better Battle AI. -Campaign AI which is tougher than ever (it plays like a good human player finally!). -Naval Battles against AI are more difficult and the balance is optimized. -DMUC version of the mod has been upgraded with many more new units and available submods. -100% Multiplayer support and compatibility (read this). -Realism of the 18th century warfare like no other game in the market (You have to see it with your own eyes to believe it).
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I can't believe such a respected game company would release such trash. Try out Supreme Commander 2 there are no bugs and it runs FLAWLESSLY on my comp which is considerably worse then yours.coolmonkeykid

Actually I would say SupCom2 is more of piece of trash within its series than ETW is within the TW series.

I mean we got a buggy game but at least it was a buggy Total War game and not a generic my-first-RTS kiddie game.

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#30 DanielDust
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Kiddy, fun, playable is better than unplayable trash, way better.
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#31 ducati101
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Kiddy, fun, playable is better than unplayable trash, way better.DanielDust
Maybe the game is too complex for u?
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#32 DanielDust
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Outstanding deduction there >_>.

And how did you reach that conclusion?

I actually rated it with a 9 because I love the complexity and game style but it's unplayable trash because it's unplayable trash, were you actually looking for some hidden meaning when it's right in your face? I don't think I can put it in a more simple way than I already did.

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#33 Vfanek
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Outstanding deduction there >_>.

And how did you reach that conclusion?

I actually rated it with a 9 because I love the complexity and game style but it's unplayable trash because it's unplayable trash, were you actually looking for some hidden meaning when it's right in your face? I don't think I can put it in a more simple way than I already did.

DanielDust
It's not unplayable, if you can't work a computer or not doesn't make a game trash. A lot of people are managing fine with Empire since it's been patched, maybe you should stick to console games.
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#34 DanielDust
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I don't play on consoles and I can manage my PC just fine, been doing it for the last 16 years, before acting all ignorant and prick like with useless comments, maybe you should check the official forums.

The game can't have any problems right? it's perfect, it didn't even need a single patch that's how good it was./sarcasm

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#35 ducati101
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I don't play on consoles and I can manage my PC just fine, been doing it for the last 16 years, before acting all ignorant and prick like with useless comments, maybe you should check the official forums.

The game can't have any problems right? it's perfect, it didn't even need a single patch that's how good it was./sarcasm

DanielDust
Every game has problems, the more complex a game the more issues arrise. As i said before use Darthmod, should get rid the problems your having.
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#36 Vfanek
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I don't play on consoles and I can manage my PC just fine, been doing it for the last 16 years, before acting all ignorant and prick like with useless comments, maybe you should check the official forums.

The game can't have any problems right? it's perfect, it didn't even need a single patch that's how good it was./sarcasm

DanielDust
It's not perfect, yet it's not 'unplayable trash'. Considering that people actually play the game, clearly it's not unplayable. Why would I look at the official forums? They are definitely trash. Yes, it was a broken game but today it's very much playable, presuming you know how to install a patch.
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#37 DanielDust
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I presume you know that this is a Steam game and it automatically updates, right?

And of course you wouldn't look there, why would you, it would show how wrong you are (most threads are CTD, they can't even play the game, I at least can play a few minutes).

I'll try again with the darth mod the next time I install it, but that's mostly for AI, it won't do much to the game.

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#38 Vfanek
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I presume you know that this is a Steam game and it automatically updates, right?

And of course you wouldn't look there, why would you, it would show how wrong you are (most threads are CTD, they can't even play the game, I at least can play a few minutes).

I'll try again with the darth mod the next time I install it, but that's mostly for AI, it won't do much to the game.

DanielDust
Nah, I stick to tw-center. Quality of posters generally seems higher. E:TW had more active players than N:TW a few days ago, on Steam. So clearly a lot of people are still enjoying the game. Not saying it'll ever be perfected, but now most CTD's comes down to user error, rather than the actual game. Be it drivers or otherwise. "Most people can't even play the game" is bull.
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#39 ducati101
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I presume you know that this is a Steam game and it automatically updates, right?

And of course you wouldn't look there, why would you, it would show how wrong you are (most threads are CTD, they can't even play the game, I at least can play a few minutes).

I'll try again with the darth mod the next time I install it, but that's mostly for AI, it won't do much to the game.

DanielDust
Tbh i haven't had these problems some people speak of, runs very well on my rig. Yes the darth mod is mostly an Ai mod (which makes the game even more interesting) but it also incoporates visual mods like 'Battlefield Smoke&Blood Mod'. It also has some minor tweaks and fixes. Try it, i think you'll be pleasently surprised.
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If you're complaining about AI just download Darthmod problem solved.

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#41 DarKre
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Empire was a failure. It took them over a year just to get it where it was supposed to be at release. I dropped the game early on and have no desire to reinstall it.
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#42 ducati101
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Empire was a failure. It took them over a year just to get it where it was supposed to be at release. I dropped the game early on and have no desire to reinstall it. DarKre
That's your loss. I guess there are other games too.
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lol I want to play it though. lol you people are either on one side or the other. Ive only seen one or two people that dislike some stuff but like other stuff too. In terms of AI - sure Ill try Darthmod - but its not really my biggest concern I just want to know that I can run it without a stuttering map or crappy frame rates on a rig like mine.
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Kiddy, fun, playable is better than unplayable trash, way better.DanielDust

Empire has been playable for me since release and I only encountered a few CTD. SupCom2 works fine, but it is SupCom only in name.

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#45 bogaty
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If you're complaining about AI just download Darthmod problem solved.

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Does nothing to fix the broken strategic AI so what's the point of playing if winning the campaign map is assured?

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#46 GOML
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I just played a battle then, the AI kept running away but they did form a line much better and also tried to flank quite a lot, still the pathing is pretty poor. I am getting good performance though.V4LENT1NE
well no **** look at your specs....

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#47 ducati101
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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]

If you're complaining about AI just download Darthmod problem solved.

bogaty

Does nothing to fix the broken strategic AI so what's the point of playing if winning the campaign map is assured?

No it advances the strategic Ai too. The Ai is tougher now on the campaign map, they make interesting moves and can attack from sea.
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#48 DigiTM73
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I was just looking at the Darthmod. I can't understand how this is good if it puts Star Wars into a historical game? What's with the menu?

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#49 ducati101
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I was just looking at the Darthmod. I can't understand how this is good if it puts Star Wars into a historical game? What's with the menu?

DigiTM73
Its got nothing to do with star wars! The modders name is Vader, hence why the mod is called darthmod. Just the menu is like that, there is no star wars units!
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#50 kevy619
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[QUOTE="DigiTM73"]

I was just looking at the Darthmod. I can't understand how this is good if it puts Star Wars into a historical game? What's with the menu?

ducati101
Its got nothing to do with star wars! The modders name is Vader, hence why the mod is called darthmod. Just the menu is like that, there is no star wars units!

that would be interesting lol, the british vs wookies would be amazing.