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#1 Gr0wl
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I've heard it is a very good game . So my expectations were quite high . I downloaded the demo and started playing . I quit after 5 minutes ...

Anyone had the same experience ?

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#2 Wasdie  Moderator
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Ha yup. Everybody built it up to be some deep and rich MMO experience, but I found it bloated, clunky, and not user friendly. Quit after 10.

It's not that I can't figure out complicated games, it's just that the way the game was presented made me figure it's not worth my time to figure it out and try to get into it. So I reinstalled X3 and started playing that. Much better.

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I think it's a great game. It can be hard to grasp the scale and continuity of it's sandbox style gameplay as you're faced with the question 'Where do I start?', however for that reason is why I enjoy it. You can start wherever you choose, you are given a place to call your home in the beginning equipped with offices that give you missions in certain disciplines such as mining and combat etc. which are a good starting place to gain a basic understanding of the games features and mechanisms. Further that there is an in-built browser which is useful to look at EVEwiki and the forums for more information, hints, tips and guides for you to use to gain a better understanding of the path you want to go down and of what is available to you. It also comes with a notepad (with folder management) and a calculator etc... that you can use to calculate and keep notes of what you're doing or anything useful you find on the wiki or forums. The combat is also quite awesome and there is no limitation to what you can learn, you even continue to learn the skills you had assigned to development when you're not online. EVE is a game if you enjoy tactical combat, business building and working very hard as a community to manufacture and industrialise to keep the game running and to quell 'real' in-game threats. It's also a great casual game for people who dont have much time to play and can keep developing while offline for further enjoyment when they re-enter the game. I don't play it any longer for the same reasons though, you have to be in the right 'mind-set' for it... I found myself complimenting my need for more fast-paced action in other games. it's a FANTASTIC game and community, however it's only imbalance is that it can be painfully slow at times, depending on what you do. I feel It must be a part of your life and internal goals as well as a game if you wish to succeed. :) Thats my take on the game anyway. 8/10 in my books.
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#4 ExESGO
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It is a great game.. once you can climb over the learning curve of being smart (aka. common sense and gut feel), basic economics and controls.

I'm not forcing you to like, get it. EVE isn't meant for everyone, just like Korean MMOs and their grind fests (but seriously? who finds grinding fun?)

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It's different from most games. The majority of the experiance is built around the game rather than in game actions, it's the communities and guilds that make the game what it is not the game play.
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#6 MyopicCanadian
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ha yup. Everybody built it up to be some deep and rich MMO experience, but I found it bloated, clunky, and not user friendly. Quit after 10.

It's not that I can't figure out complicated games, it's just that the way the game was presented made me figure it's not worth my time to figure it out and try to get into it. So I reinstalled X3 and started playing that. Much better.

There's no proper rationalization for quitting a game after 10 minutes, despite what you tell yourself. You didn't even try to get into the game. There's just so much information it's very difficult to present.. you need to spend a good few hours doing all the tutorials and if you actually played the game, you'd realize why this is necessary. It boggles my mind that the OP and you expected to jump in to the most complex MMO designed and be pirating ships in 5-10 minutes. Anyway it's a menu-based game that almost plays like a strategy game at times, so I can definitely see why people would get into a game like X3 instead. I've always been meaning to try it myself :)
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It's an excellent MMO, one of the best out there and easily the most progressive there is. You know, one where players actually matter next to themeparks like WoW. Nonetheless it's very much an acquired taste, and the commitment levels to the game are pretty huge.
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#8 deactivated-5fae21e61a964
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EVE Online was easier for me to pick up on than the X3 games, which goes against standard preconsceptions set into place by other gamers.

There's plenty of ways to go in EVE, even trading has upwards to fifteen roles involed -- and even more in combat fleets. Basically take your time and explore your options. There's a neat new tutorial system set in place that's vastly superior to the one I used when I started, so that's a definite plus. It outlines your career paths and gives you little rookie missions as to what you should expect. You don't get to experience the fullness of the game if you play for a mere five or ten minutes, but I don't blame you. I'd happy take up STALKER or Mass Effect any day.

Anyway, EVE is an open ended MMO where you get involved in the game world and drive the storyline. It may sound like propaganda like the Butterfly Effect trailer, but it's true; players and their empires clash as NPC factions interact with each other based on what they do.

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#9 Gr0wl
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Ha yup. Everybody built it up to be some deep and rich MMO experience, but I found it bloated, clunky, and not user friendly. Quit after 10.

It's not that I can't figure out complicated games, it's just that the way the game was presented made me figure it's not worth my time to figure it out and try to get into it. So I reinstalled X3 and started playing that. Much better.

Wasdie

I can very well handle complicated games , Eve is not one of them . It's not helping me from the beginning . So why should i waste my time , and money to a non user-friendly game ?

I don't want to spend hours and hours to understand a game . I want to understand it from the beginning so I can like it ...

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You don't have to, champ. It's your money and your time, some like WoW, others like EVE and some like MW2. What can I say? :P

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#11 MyopicCanadian
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[QUOTE="Gr0wl"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ha yup. Everybody built it up to be some deep and rich MMO experience, but I found it bloated, clunky, and not user friendly. Quit after 10.

It's not that I can't figure out complicated games, it's just that the way the game was presented made me figure it's not worth my time to figure it out and try to get into it. So I reinstalled X3 and started playing that. Much better.

I can very well handle complicated games , Eve is not one of them . It's not helping me from the beginning . So why should i waste my time , and money to a non user-friendly game ?

I don't want to spend hours and hours to understand a game . I want to understand it from the beginning so I can like it ...

Waste all five minutes of your time? Did you even learn how to fly your ship before you quit the game?
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[QUOTE="MyopicCanadian"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Ha yup. Everybody built it up to be some deep and rich MMO experience, but I found it bloated, clunky, and not user friendly. Quit after 10.

It's not that I can't figure out complicated games, it's just that the way the game was presented made me figure it's not worth my time to figure it out and try to get into it. So I reinstalled X3 and started playing that. Much better.

There's no proper rationalization for quitting a game after 10 minutes, despite what you tell yourself. You didn't even try to get into the game. There's just so much information it's very difficult to present.. you need to spend a good few hours doing all the tutorials and if you actually played the game, you'd realize why this is necessary. It boggles my mind that the OP and you expected to jump in to the most complex MMO designed and be pirating ships in 5-10 minutes. Anyway it's a menu-based game that almost plays like a strategy game at times, so I can definitely see why people would get into a game like X3 instead. I've always been meaning to try it myself :)

couldn't have said it better myself, to be honest the general attitude of gamers these days is quite shocking people want to be able to do everything straight away without putting in any effort or getting to understand the games systems. personally im glad he quit after 5 mins as no doubt he would be one of the many idiots begging for money as they didn't take the time going though the tutorials at the start.
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#13 True_Sounds
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I quit after 200 hours. It's gameplay is 100% in right clicking menus, which is boring as hell. No interaction whatsoever with the avatar of yourself you are watching.

The only thing they got going for them is immersing CGI advertisements lol

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Anyone who quits a complex and an immense MMO like EVE after 5 or 10 minutes lacks the patience to play the game at the first place.

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#15 Gr0wl
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Yes I did learn how to fly my ship and several other things that were based too much on clicking stuff .

No , I don't lack patience , the game lacks that special something to introduce new players to their universe .

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As it was said, far to much clicking on stuff. Where's the direct control of your ship? Seriously... you can't give me a good reason why it isn't there. Why do I have to click to go everywhere? X3 Reunion and Freelancer do just fine with that.

I can say for you all to try WWII Online for more than 10 minutes but none of you will. You'll all just get bored of it and walk away never wanting to play again. That's fine with me.

I can tell 99% of the time if I am going to enjoy the game within the first 10 minutes of me playing. I either don't like it and walk away, like it and keep playing, or don;t like it but feel I haven't seen enough to make a proper judgement. With EVE I found out really fast that I just wouldn't like it. Don't worry, I do that with 99% of MMOs. They just seem like to much a time investment for to little of a reward. The reward of course is just enjoying myself.

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You are in direct control of your ship. But if you're wonderng why you don't see the crew, it's because they don't matter and they come standard with a new ship. Not to mention there's no such thing as a bridge anymore, but that's more into the lore of the game and doesn't matter right now.

Of course, we're not going to axe murder you for not liking the game, I play off and on because I can't stand more than a month or two at one time.

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#18 True_Sounds
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The huge problem is that there is no good reason for any visuals in this game, because complete control is given via context menus. This is a game you'd play on DOS, for me these are not fun anymore in our current generation. If they completely revamped the user interface to give you more direct control, so that the visuals are integrated in some way, I might love the game.

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The learning curve is really steep and the game in general is very deep and unfriendly for newcomers.

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#20 Requem
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As it was said, far to much clicking on stuff. Where's the direct control of your ship? Seriously... you can't give me a good reason why it isn't there. Why do I have to click to go everywhere? X3 Reunion and Freelancer do just fine with that.

I can say for you all to try WWII Online for more than 10 minutes but none of you will. You'll all just get bored of it and walk away never wanting to play again. That's fine with me.

I can tell 99% of the time if I am going to enjoy the game within the first 10 minutes of me playing. I either don't like it and walk away, like it and keep playing, or don;t like it but feel I haven't seen enough to make a proper judgement. With EVE I found out really fast that I just wouldn't like it. Don't worry, I do that with 99% of MMOs. They just seem like to much a time investment for to little of a reward. The reward of course is just enjoying myself.

Wasdie

X3 and Freelancer are not MMORPG's where hundereds vs hundereds ship fights are happening. How can you even fight in a situation like that with a direct control. Screw that, how can you manage lag?

Here is a good reason.

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The fact that you practically gave it zero time to see how it was is pretty sad. The tutorials were really easy, you clearly made no effort into finding them
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Eve is not a friendly game. Its not an easy game. Its a high concept game. Some might say "arent games suppose to be fun, relaxing, easy to understand?". To me that just means its shallow. In eve you start off as a person who doesnt know what the hell is going on but can learn to do anything. Become infamous, rich, or be a bum living off the good will of others. The things that are offered are many The end game has massive battles, political intrugie, battles for space. Even ownership of sections of space. Its funny how little thing like being able to put your name on it. Its such a simple concept. However, it is very powerful. People will fight tooth and nail for that space. Defend it till all their hard work is destroyed. Even when they know there is no hope. What other game can you actully place an object (space station) a joint effort of often hunderdes of people. Put it in the game and its there forever. You still have to defend the space to keep it, but once it is created it is there until the game is shut down. I mean these things arent easy but rewarding. Some times you have to invest time to learn whats going on in the game. Other games often boast of a player economy. Eve doesnt boast. Damn near every ship you will fly is created by someone. Most of the equipment you use is made by someone. Even alot of the ammo is player created. I could go on and on but the point is. Sure its not easy to understand, sure you sacrifice a bit of control. Once you dig deeper into eve you would understand that even though you cant directly control the ship. There is alot of indepth strategy in Eve combat.
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I have started playing EVE a few days ago with the free trial. Its a good game just not done very well. The whole idea of 1 map 1 server 1 room is like a wet dream for me. ITs the thing I have always wanted. Though the problems arise as soon as you start the game. At first you greeted with the neocom (wow whats that) and a crap load of other stuff. They throw alot at you at once. You can pretty much learn this stuff quickly. But remembering where stuff is is a real pain. I have set there often for 10 to 20 minutes looking for through menus trying to find something. Basically the UI kinda sucks. Its over complicated though still learn able. Combat isnt really anything enjoyable. Basically its ppl kicking each other in the shin and the one with the biggest boot wins. Graphics look pretty good. That is if you would see that same planet moon or aforementioned rock every where also strangely you can fly thought planets and stuff XD. That said, Everywhere pretty much looks the same. The sound. Well. THe music is sorta good. Sfx are like pew pew. So when I play i make my own sound fx. Like pew pew KABOOm. Also everything is so slow. You try to research something and it takes around 8 hours. So you basically have to not play the game if you want to get better......Wait? The game rewards me for not playing! Maybe they want to tell me something? You dont ever really control your ship. You just tell it to fly there. Do this or that. Shoot at that. I would have liked more hands on and more immersion. Eve is alright from what I have played. A step in the right direction albeit a very small step.
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#24 KLONE360
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As it was said, far to much clicking on stuff. Where's the direct control of your ship? Seriously... you can't give me a good reason why it isn't there. Why do I have to click to go everywhere? X3 Reunion and Freelancer do just fine with that.

I can say for you all to try WWII Online for more than 10 minutes but none of you will. You'll all just get bored of it and walk away never wanting to play again. That's fine with me.

I can tell 99% of the time if I am going to enjoy the game within the first 10 minutes of me playing. I either don't like it and walk away, like it and keep playing, or don;t like it but feel I haven't seen enough to make a proper judgement. With EVE I found out really fast that I just wouldn't like it. Don't worry, I do that with 99% of MMOs. They just seem like to much a time investment for to little of a reward. The reward of course is just enjoying myself.

Wasdie
WW2 online? Never Heard of it? Im dling right now. Im looking for MMOs that are pretty much nothing like WOW and try to be original. Could you tell me something of this game? Is it 1 map and 1 server like Eve?
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THe music is sorta good. Sfx are like pew pew. So when I play i make my own sound fx. Like pew pew KABOOm.KLONE360

Full game immersion has never been better.

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[QUOTE="KLONE360"]THe music is sorta good. Sfx are like pew pew. So when I play i make my own sound fx. Like pew pew KABOOm.Sheppard212

Full game immersion has never been better.

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