EVE massive protest - newsflash: new type of MMO

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#1 tudorlw
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Have you guys ever heard of MMOPG ?? I believe you all are aware of the riots in Greece, Egypt etc.. It was the time for a game to "enrich" you with this kind of experience, but this time in the virtual world. Guess what.. CCP though of that, first game design project. --MMO protest game-- EVE, the "massive online space game" which turned to be in fact a world where you have to protest against the money hungry game devs. More than 4000 ppl are rioting now inside the game and many more in the forums (from 44k online atm). Is this a fun time? No. Is this necessary? Very. Things to protest against? - new gameplay: P2W - devs ignoring the community Gamespot.com should cover this event. It is unique in it`s manifest
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#2 MythPro1
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There is a ton more information going on concerning the EVE "protests" that you really need to provide.
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#3 JangoWuzHere
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http://www.myth-games.com/news4927.htm

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#4 Miroku32
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I remember some kind of protests also happened in Runescape... Just saying.
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#5 DanielDust
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Heading to Jita myself, to see the "damage" :P.
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#6 tudorlw
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Just wanted to highlight this protest. Never wanted to become boring for the non-EVE community. Hope gamespot.com will pick this matter and write a juicy review. It has all it needs for a nice story.
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#7 JangoWuzHere
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I remember some kind of protests also happened in Runescape... Just saying. Miroku32
People are calling this update the new NGE.
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#8 DanielDust
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Nice, the most players in a place since Cataclysm (over 2K players in Orgrimmar), but apparently they're not allowing more than 1600 players, some must leave for other to enter.

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#9 IntwoGames
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I already told my members if I find a single member in my corp protesting in any of the trade hubs, I'm removing them from the corp. The protest is stupid and based entirely on a slippery slope argument and the other half is stuff that will be fixed with time......since we have been receiving expansion in smaller chunks since the last one.

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#10 MadCat46
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Eh, EVE's been going downhill for a while now and everything I've heard about this newest expansion just looks like another step in that same direction. I do agree the protests as a whole seem stupid and pointless, you want a company to respond you make their numbers drop not sign in en mass and sing kumbaya. How embarrassing is it though to have an internal memo titled "Greed is Good?" leaked to the public. Not going to win any image points.
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#11 judahstarguy
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In that case I'd protest just to go against some power tripping boss type mentality. Not everyone shares your views nor should they have to. Why is it the people who should never obtain power are always the one's to come into it? I want to protest that.

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#12 hutrtz
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wow.. you are a bright one. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536065&page=15#447 see this link. Think it has the largest no. of pages in the EVE forum Archive. Also thousands of posts have been written concerning these issues. Please inform yourself about this protest and afterwards bash it if you like. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/AzertyNL/jita-laserdisco-congaline-monument.jpg disco in Jita :P
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#13 hutrtz
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oh, madcat.. this is our out of game protest https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AtUHbyNk0JSGdHR1TDhrRVhhQTUzLUMyVTNZdjJUaHc&output=html . More than 2500 accounts unsubbed in less than 2 days
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#14 MadCat46
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oh, madcat.. this is our out of game protest https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&hl=en_US&key=0AtUHbyNk0JSGdHR1TDhrRVhhQTUzLUMyVTNZdjJUaHc&output=html . More than 2500 accounts unsubbed in less than 2 dayshutrtz
If they actually lost that many accounts than good, that's how you get a point across in the business world. Shooting monuments in Jita, not so much.

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#15 Falconoffury
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Can anyone please give a brief summary of what is being protested?

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http://www.myth-games.com/news4927.htm

JangoWuzHere

Can anyone please give a brief summary of what is being protested?

Falconoffury
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#17 MadCat46
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Can anyone please give a brief summary of what is being protested?

Falconoffury
Essentially microtransactions and an internal memo titles "Greed is Good?" which went into the ideas of having the game driven more around CCP's store rather then the in-game player economy.
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#18 tudorlw
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Also the community wants a firm statement from CCP CEOs that the game won`t be transformed in a P2W (pay to win) game. Mentioned in my original post.
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#19 Buttons1990
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Can anyone please give a brief summary of what is being protested?

Falconoffury

- Expansion released.

- What players wanted ignored.

- Microtransactions for like $20 in-game t-shirts that no one else can even see...

- Nerd rage up and down the street.

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#20 Falconoffury
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I wish all the best to the protestors. Opening a cash shop when you have a competitive, high-stakes MMORPG like Eve shows a very poor appreciation for your die hard players. Cash shops may be ok for some theme park MMORPGs, but not ones where competition between other players and guilds is the focus, resources matter greatly, and you stand to lose or gain a lot in PvP.

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[QUOTE="Miroku32"]I remember some kind of protests also happened in Runescape... Just saying. JangoWuzHere
People are calling this update the new NGE.

They're adding cosmetic items to go along with the whole "walking on your ship thing" that are more useless than the mounts that Blizzard sells. This really breaks the gameplay *gasp*
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I wish all the best to the protestors. Opening a cash shop when you have a competitive, high-stakes MMORPG like Eve shows a very poor appreciation for your die hard players. Cash shops may be ok for some theme park MMORPGs, but not ones where competition between other players and guilds is the focus, resources matter greatly, and you stand to lose or gain a lot in PvP.

Falconoffury
They're selling $52 monocles that no one else will even see...
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#23 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="Miroku32"]I remember some kind of protests also happened in Runescape... Just saying. shakmaster13
People are calling this update the new NGE.

They're adding cosmetic items to go along with the whole "walking on your ship thing" that are more useless than the mounts that Blizzard sells. This really breaks the gameplay *gasp*

They are considering adding microtransactions that will affect gameplay such as paying money for ships, ammo, faction standings etc. All of this will ruin the economy which is mostly run by the community. Also it is crazy that they charge so much for cosmetic items that other players can't even see.
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] People are calling this update the new NGE.

They're adding cosmetic items to go along with the whole "walking on your ship thing" that are more useless than the mounts that Blizzard sells. This really breaks the gameplay *gasp*

They are considering adding microtransactions that will affect gameplay such as paying money for ships, ammo, faction standings etc. All of this will ruin the economy which is mostly run by the community. Also it is crazy that they charge so much for cosmetic items that other players can't even see.

I really doubt they would be making microtransactions that would alter the game to such an extent. The crazy price for mere cosmetic items makes me baffled as to why there is so much QQ over it. Just don't buy it if you don't want it.
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[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"] They're adding cosmetic items to go along with the whole "walking on your ship thing" that are more useless than the mounts that Blizzard sells. This really breaks the gameplay *gasp*

They are considering adding microtransactions that will affect gameplay such as paying money for ships, ammo, faction standings etc. All of this will ruin the economy which is mostly run by the community. Also it is crazy that they charge so much for cosmetic items that other players can't even see.

I really doubt they would be making microtransactions that would alter the game to such an extent. The crazy price for mere cosmetic items makes me baffled as to why there is so much QQ over it. Just don't buy it if you don't want it.

"Shortly after the launch of Incarna, an internal memo titled "Greed is Good?" was leaked. CCP's community relations team verified that the memo was indeed real, and said that the memo was intended to promote discussion internally. It was not, apparently, a road map for what WILL happen." "What concerns the player base is that the memo said that CCP were considering selling in-game benefits (such as faction standings and ammunition) for AUR. The EVE Online forums are full of people asking for a promise from CCP that in-game benefits will not be sold for real life money. So far, that question is being ignored" Doesn't sound good to me.
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] They are considering adding microtransactions that will affect gameplay such as paying money for ships, ammo, faction standings etc. All of this will ruin the economy which is mostly run by the community. Also it is crazy that they charge so much for cosmetic items that other players can't even see.

I really doubt they would be making microtransactions that would alter the game to such an extent. The crazy price for mere cosmetic items makes me baffled as to why there is so much QQ over it. Just don't buy it if you don't want it.

"Shortly after the launch of Incarna, an internal memo titled "Greed is Good?" was leaked. CCP's community relations team verified that the memo was indeed real, and said that the memo was intended to promote discussion internally. It was not, apparently, a road map for what WILL happen." "What concerns the player base is that the memo said that CCP were considering selling in-game benefits (such as faction standings and ammunition) for AUR. The EVE Online forums are full of people asking for a promise from CCP that in-game benefits will not be sold for real life money. So far, that question is being ignored" Doesn't sound good to me.

Considering the last blog they posted was responded to by a majority of the people "liar!". They are probably waiting for people to calm down.
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#27 rollermint
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[QUOTE="Miroku32"]I remember some kind of protests also happened in Runescape... Just saying. JangoWuzHere
People are calling this update the new NGE.

hehe its nothing like that, its just a change (a major one, of course) in terms of the Docking experience. The major gameplay elements are perfectly the same. But I can understand the outcry from some quarters, since many don't have the hardware to run the Walking-in-Station. I bet the biggest gripe is really the microtransactions for your avatar's apparel. I mean, really, 70 RL bucks for a monocle? Insane. CCP is getting a little too greedy for its own good. Very disappointed that its going down this root and I'm a major Eve supporter ever since beta. But yeah, its nothing like the NGE at all. Thats a pretty dramatic comparison and its nothing close to that...
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#28 rollermint
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] "What concerns the player base is that the memo said that CCP were considering selling in-game benefits (such as faction standings and ammunition) for AUR. The EVE Online forums are full of people asking for a promise from CCP that in-game benefits will not be sold for real life money. So far, that question is being ignored" Doesn't sound good to me.

Ok now thats worrying indeed...
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#29 Morphic
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Does shooting the monuments do anything? Do they get destroyed or something??

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#30 shakmaster13
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[QUOTE="IntwoGames"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"] I really doubt they would be making microtransactions that would alter the game to such an extent. The crazy price for mere cosmetic items makes me baffled as to why there is so much QQ over it. Just don't buy it if you don't want it.

"Shortly after the launch of Incarna, an internal memo titled "Greed is Good?" was leaked. CCP's community relations team verified that the memo was indeed real, and said that the memo was intended to promote discussion internally. It was not, apparently, a road map for what WILL happen." "What concerns the player base is that the memo said that CCP were considering selling in-game benefits (such as faction standings and ammunition) for AUR. The EVE Online forums are full of people asking for a promise from CCP that in-game benefits will not be sold for real life money. So far, that question is being ignored" Doesn't sound good to me.

Considering the last blog they posted was responded to by a majority of the people "liar!". They are probably waiting for people to calm down.

This. Until CCP posts something after the whole drama has died down, everything is pure speculation. Just think though, if monocles are priced so high, how much do you think they would charge for game changing stuff like ships and resources and have enough people buy them?
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#31 mrbojangles25
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once again PC gamers are getting all uppity about nothing and overreacting.

"Greed is Good?"...two things:

1. There is a question mark there. That makes the memo's title more of a subject for discussion, not so much a statement. Lets take two breaths and realise that...

2. ...maybe it really was meant as a memo to discuss certain things, not to put them in place.

Some of the players' have valid arguments (WiS specifically), but outside of that there is nothing here that requires such an ugly and horrendous response. Make your complaints through the proper and respectable channels; write letters, makephone calls and, if necessary, unsubscribe.

But above all else, take the high road. Why on earth would you flood a system and attack monuments? That is just silly and will prove pointless.

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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] "What concerns the player base is that the memo said that CCP were considering selling in-game benefits (such as faction standings and ammunition) for AUR. The EVE Online forums are full of people asking for a promise from CCP that in-game benefits will not be sold for real life money. So far, that question is being ignored" Doesn't sound good to me. rollermint
Ok now thats worrying indeed...

hyperbole

has anyone actually read said-memo? "Considering" can mean a lot of things, but one thing it does not mean is "definite" or even "likely"

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#33 Elann2008
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I was so intrigued by this protest I youtube'd it. It's definitely one of the most interesting ways to protest in a video game, literally.
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[QUOTE="rollermint"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] "What concerns the player base is that the memo said that CCP were considering selling in-game benefits (such as faction standings and ammunition) for AUR. The EVE Online forums are full of people asking for a promise from CCP that in-game benefits will not be sold for real life money. So far, that question is being ignored" Doesn't sound good to me. mrbojangles25

Ok now thats worrying indeed...

hyperbole

has anyone actually read said-memo? "Considering" can mean a lot of things, but one thing it does not mean is "definite" or even "likely"

The fact that they even considered such a thing should be insulting enough.
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#35 KalDurenik
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="rollermint"] Ok now thats worrying indeed...JangoWuzHere

hyperbole

has anyone actually read said-memo? "Considering" can mean a lot of things, but one thing it does not mean is "definite" or even "likely"

The fact that they even considered such a thing should be insulting enough.

I agree. Even more when they promised before that MT for items would never happen. I was thinking of playing the game again but with all the horrible things added, their leaked e-mail, lack of information, MT and so on im not that interested.