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#1 sleepingzzz
Member since 2006 • 2263 Posts

Not sure if this has been posted

EVGA new motherboard is coming out in about 2 weeks

Videocards may be catching up to CPUs with this:

This will also leave you broke though.

http://www.evga.com/articles/00501/

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#2 DarthIntel
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Nvidia cant even get 2-way SLI to scale correctly in games.

Now were supposed to believe there gonna do any better with 4-way?

Seriously, 2-way SLI should have been perfected by now.

Just buy a single GTX295 and enjoy it.

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#3 samuraiguns
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lol, too bad the previous version had terrible overheating problems on the North and South bridge....

This is fail.

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#4 2uneek4u
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this is just ridiculious.

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#5 Daytona_178
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That many PCI-E ports are ****ing pointless!

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#6 sleepingzzz
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Wow, a lot of hate here. Lets wait and see how it performs before bashing.

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#7 Daytona_178
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Wow, a lot of hate here. Lets wait and see how it performs before bashing.

sleepingzzz
I wasn't referring to it overclocking potential, which iam sure will be very good, i was just saying its been proven already that having over 2 (arguably 3) GPU's is pointless.
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#8 MonsieurX
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When the Hydra chip(?) is coming out again?
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#9 sleepingzzz
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[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]

Wow, a lot of hate here. Lets wait and see how it performs before bashing.

Daytona_178

I wasn't referring to it overclocking potential, which iam sure will be very good, i was just saying its been proven already that having over 2 (arguably 3) GPU's is pointless.

Says who?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-multigpu-sli-crossfire-game-performance-review/1

Link shows that they needed to over clock the I7 to get the increase fps when having more than 2 GPUs. Note that the increase is huge.

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#10 superchronik
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Stick a Hydra chip on it and I might be interested.

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#11 Daytona_178
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]

Wow, a lot of hate here. Lets wait and see how it performs before bashing.

sleepingzzz

I wasn't referring to it overclocking potential, which iam sure will be very good, i was just saying its been proven already that having over 2 (arguably 3) GPU's is pointless.

Says who?

http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-multigpu-sli-crossfire-game-performance-review/1

Link shows that they needed to over clock the I7 to get the increase fps when having more than 2 GPUs. Note that the increase is huge.

Thats was a good read...will respond in a while after doing some more research.
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#12 NSR34GTR
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looks nice
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Looks like it's going to cost the same as a used car....
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#14 TheNintendo
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Looks awesome! now we can finally migrate from 2x 295's or 3x 285's and a 9800gt (although 'we' doesn't include me :() can't wait to see other people's ridiculous setups though!

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#16 jtcraft
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The EVGA 4 way sli classified and the GTX 285 classified are targeted toward those that do a lot of benchtesting rather than gamers. The 4 way sli setup is geared for high overclocking.
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#17 Slig0
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The EVGA 4 way sli classified and the GTX 285 classified are targeted toward those that do a lot of benchtesting rather than gamers. The 4 way sli setup is geared for high overclocking.jtcraft

Parts are produced to run at stock speeds. And who needs to overclock an I7 to fulfill his needs can really shoot himself in the head. And by the way, who needs benchtesting? That is ridiculous. If you have a PC that runs all that you want, you do not need a benchmark of 4 way SLI. After all, benhmarks are completely useless, except in rare situations to determine if some component is underperforming. The bad thing is, most "enthusiasts" don't use it for that, but to be on a top list of some stupid site and be someone "with a killa rig" brings joy to them. I despise such people.

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#20 RedxSniper
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Either way i gurantee you there will be some guy with like quad 300GTX, 1tb sssd's, i9 6.0ghz oc'ed, 16gb ddr4 ram.
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#21 samuraiguns
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Either way i gurantee you there will be some guy with like quad 300GTX, 1tb sssd's, i9 6.0ghz oc'ed, 16gb ddr4 ram.RedxSniper
there is always "that" guy.
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#22 jtcraft
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[QUOTE="RedxSniper"]Either way i gurantee you there will be some guy with like quad 300GTX, 1tb sssd's, i9 6.0ghz oc'ed, 16gb ddr4 ram.samuraiguns
there is always "that" guy.

Wish I could afford to be that guy.
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#23 jtschmitz
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Wow. I hope that a customer needs one of those.... Would love to bench that.

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#24 Slig0
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"][QUOTE="RedxSniper"]Either way i gurantee you there will be some guy with like quad 300GTX, 1tb sssd's, i9 6.0ghz oc'ed, 16gb ddr4 ram.jtcraft
there is always "that" guy.

Wish I could afford to be that guy.

Well I would too, but those guys are saddists that intend solely (yes, I'm quoting mods) to annoy other people. I wouldn't use it for that.

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#25 dforeigner
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[QUOTE="jtcraft"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"] there is always "that" guy.Slig0

Wish I could afford to be that guy.

Well I would too, but those guys are saddists that intend solely (yes, I'm quoting mods) to annoy other people. I wouldn't use it for that.

Dude, you seem to be the only guy that would be annoyed at someone having a better system than you.

I see a lot of your posts with the same tone. Again, chill.

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#27 sleepingzzz
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[QUOTE="Slig0"]

[QUOTE="jtcraft"] Wish I could afford to be that guy.dforeigner

Well I would too, but those guys are saddists that intend solely (yes, I'm quoting mods) to annoy other people. I wouldn't use it for that.

Dude, you seem to be the only guy that would be annoyed at someone having a better system than you.

I see a lot of your posts with the same tone. Again, chill.

You seem to fit the bill for the type of person he would hate on... lol
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#28 xXDrPainXx
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To me it looks like it applies more to heavy workstation use that requires whatever application to use that much horsepower to render in real time. As far as gaming goes it looks sweet but I don't think its very applicable since 2-way hasn't really taken off like they are hoping.
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#29 codezer0
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Four graphics cards on a single board like this? At that point, liquid cooling should be mandatory. eVGA should put out a "black pearl" edition of this motherboard with waterblocks on the chipset and one for the CPU to help reinforce that fact. With liquid cooling, then the extra PCI-E slots make sense. For an ATi config: - 4x 4870's, liquid cooled (ideally on their own circuit, separate from that feeding the CPU and chipset) - 1 slot for an X-Fi Forte sound card - 1 slot for the PCI-E PhysX PPU (so that you could enjoy all those sweet PhysX-enabled games still - last I read, the PCI-E version also had more RAM on it) - 1 slot for a high-end RAID card All 7 slots accounted for. Or for an NVIDIA solution: - 2x GTX 295's, which would either cover four of the slots with air cooling, or could possibly be squeezed to two with water cooling (assuming there are low-profile blocks for these cards) - X-Fi Forte - high-end RAID card - Either the PhysX PPU (though it shouldn't be necessary at this point), a NIC like the Killer NIC, or a PCI-E wireless card so you could move it about. I mention a high-end RAID card because even now, many of those discreet RAID cards support many more features or are more configurable than most onboard RAID-supporting controllers. That, and an add-in card would be less likely to "go south" on you with the kind of heavy overclocking such hardware would warrant.
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#30 Myzz617
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[QUOTE="codezer0"]Four graphics cards on a single board like this? At that point, liquid cooling should be mandatory. eVGA should put out a "black pearl" edition of this motherboard with waterblocks on the chipset and one for the CPU to help reinforce that fact. With liquid cooling, then the extra PCI-E slots make sense. For an ATi config: - 4x 4870's, liquid cooled (ideally on their own circuit, separate from that feeding the CPU and chipset) - 1 slot for an X-Fi Forte sound card - 1 slot for the PCI-E PhysX PPU (so that you could enjoy all those sweet PhysX-enabled games still - last I read, the PCI-E version also had more RAM on it) - 1 slot for a high-end RAID card All 7 slots accounted for. Or for an NVIDIA solution: - 2x GTX 295's, which would either cover four of the slots with air cooling, or could possibly be squeezed to two with water cooling (assuming there are low-profile blocks for these cards) - X-Fi Forte - high-end RAID card - Either the PhysX PPU (though it shouldn't be necessary at this point), a NIC like the Killer NIC, or a PCI-E wireless card so you could move it about. I mention a high-end RAID card because even now, many of those discreet RAID cards support many more features or are more configurable than most onboard RAID-supporting controllers. That, and an add-in card would be less likely to "go south" on you with the kind of heavy overclocking such hardware would warrant.

Ima have to add u on PSN seem like a smart Mofo :) 4way SLI thats some OCD for you though and such a waste of money. The config you suggested makes more sense. 4way SLI with an i9 i mean seriously that setup would be a waste of money you could feed an orphan home with that money. DX11 cards with 2 way SLI i am sure will be enough with an I7. anything else is pointless because no game is going to push your PC so far to take advantage of the 4way SLI. It is a nice sight to see but even if i had the money I would rather blow it on a CAR rather than something that sits at home
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#31 codezer0
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I could see that kind of config, if I had like twin 30" monitors... which would also be justified if i was using my computer for both work and play. But with as much as I multitask on my computer already, being able to crunch through stuff faster, means I can get back to gaming faster, and having that kind of power just means being able to turn things all the way up and not having to worry anymore. You get spoiled very easily when you go from having systems that could barely handle medium settings in most games, and with lower-than-native res, to suddenly being able to run on High or Max and native res. Then you do develop that OCD factor - suddenly, any game or update that brings your system down a peg or two compels you to either forget it or upgrade to keep up.
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#32 Lyron-Baktos
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Or for an NVIDIA solution: - 2x GTX 295's, which would either cover four of the slots with air cooling, or could possibly be squeezed to two with water cooling (assuming there are low-profile blocks for these cards)

codezer0

BFG sells several single slot water cooled 295's 285's and 280's they use danger den blocks. So yes there are low-profile blocks available for these cards.

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#33 codezer0
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[QUOTE="codezer0"]

Or for an NVIDIA solution: - 2x GTX 295's, which would either cover four of the slots with air cooling, or could possibly be squeezed to two with water cooling (assuming there are low-profile blocks for these cards)

Lyron-Baktos

BFG sells several single slot water cooled 295's 285's and 280's they use danger den blocks. So yes there are low-profile blocks available for these cards.

Well... there you go. Thanks for the info. :)
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#34 Threesixtyci
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The board isn't even out yet.

sleepingzzz

That board may or may not be out, but Asus has had quad slots motherboards for a while, already:

ASUS M4A79 Deluxe AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

Oh, but wouldn't that be considered 2-way Crossfire? If so, then nevermind.

Wait a second, how does 4-way SLI work anyway? Wouldn't you need 8 pci-e slots? I only count 7 PCI-e slots in that EVGA picture. I also note that they don't say at what rate the PCI-e slots will be running at. For those Asus boards I linked, Single Pairing is at 16x, but then it starts kicking down after that. 4 cards are set to run at 8x.

Then there is that sentence: "In addition to this innovative graphics card, EVGA is also announcing the EVGA X58 clas-sifed 4-Way SLI Edition, this motherboard has an impressive 7 PCIe Expansion slots allowing you to combine up to 4 EVGA GTX 285 Graphics cards for extreme performance!"

If they are only using 4 cards, does that mean 4 cards = 4-way? If so, then why pile 7 PCI-e slots onto the MB? What would anyone need 3 extras for? Is it because, they expect them to be blocked by the video card? And if that is the case, why not just space them out, more?

And what's with that sentence about, "An additional 6-pin power plug for a total of 640w to GPU and video memory! Per card!" 640watts per card? What PSU is going to support 640watts x 4? And since when did a single video card need that much wattage, anyway?

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#35 Myzz617
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[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"]

The board isn't even out yet.

Threesixtyci

That board may or may not be out, but Asus has had quad slots motherboards for a while, already:

ASUS M4A79 Deluxe AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

ASUS M4A79T Deluxe AM3 DDR3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

Oh, but wouldn't that be considered 2-way Crossfire? If so, then nevermind.

Wait a second, how does 4-way SLI work anyway? Wouldn't you need 8 pci-e slots? I only count 7 PCI-e slots in that EVGA picture. I also note that they don't say at what rate the PCI-e slots will be running at. For those Asus boards I linked, Single Pairing is at 16x, but then it starts kicking down after that. 4 cards are set to run at 8x.

Then there is that sentence: "In addition to this innovative graphics card, EVGA is also announcing the EVGA X58 clas-sifed 4-Way SLI Edition, this motherboard has an impressive 7 PCIe Expansion slots allowing you to combine up to 4 EVGA GTX 285 Graphics cards for extreme performance!"

If they are only using 4 cards, does that mean 4 cards = 4-way? If so, then why pile 7 PCI-e slots onto the MB? What would anyone need 3 extras for? Is it because, they expect them to be blocked by the video card? And if that is the case, why not just space them out, more?

And what's with that sentence about, "An additional 6-pin power plug for a total of 640w to GPU and video memory! Per card!" 640watts per card? What PSU is going to support 640watts x 4? And since when did a single video card need that much wattage, anyway?

You should write them a Letter
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#36 codezer0
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What they mean by 4-way SLi, is that it's an SLi of four separate cards, on the same machine. In the case of the "ad" for it, they advertised this board with their own newest model GTX 285, and were demonstrating how the board can support four of those 285's on it to make one big SLi. I know some here will try to say "oh, SLi doesn't scale well"; well, that's actually more on Microsoft's blame, because of the way Microsoft imposes certain limits on Direct3D drivers in order to be able to be approved for WHQL certification. Since they don't impose such limitations with OpenGL drivers, OpenGL games see some massive improvements with these multi-GPU arrays. I remember way back when the 7950GX2 came out, and Tom's discussed this at length, using several DirectX and OpenGL games. In OpenGL games such as FEAR, the GX2 quad-SLi saw around 3x improvement over just one of those GPU's by itself, in addition to being able to run with all the post-processing and turned up AA. It was also among the first examples of playability on a 30" display. But of course, in order to have that WHQL signature that becomes even more crucial for Microsoft's 64-bit OS's, NVIDIA and ATi both have to comply to their D3D limitations. I don't know if these limitations were addressed in DirectX 10 or will be in 11, but they certainly applied to 9 and below.
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#37 Threesixtyci
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So, why the 7 PCI-e 16X slots? Seems like overkill.

Heh, I find their video to be pretty funny. They claim it to be the fastest, then they show a bunch of guys using a dissembled system, and them pouring liquid nitrogen, or something, all over it.

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#38 codezer0
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Some freedom to space them as they please? Some cases may not fit that many cards very well in the primary slots? Or as I put up a config, if they use water-cooled cards with low-profile blocks, it leaves them with a few free PCi-E slots to put additional cards in.
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#39 Threesixtyci
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[QUOTE="codezer0"]Some freedom to space them as they please? Some cases may not fit that many cards very well in the primary slots? Or as I put up a config, if they use water-cooled cards with low-profile blocks, it leaves them with a few free PCi-E slots to put additional cards in.

Well, I already made comment about that. Still think if they had just spaced them out, it would have made the board cheaper to manufacturer, resulting in a less expensive board for us....
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#40 Xyonblade
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Some cards I have seen look as though they would plug into one slot, and be so tall they would fill the pace over a second slot. if you got those fat cards it would be 3 cards each plugging into 1 space and covering the slot for another space, and a 4th card in a slot that does not have an 8th slot to fill over, but would not be a problem because of there being space anyways.

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#41 CrazyKilljoy117
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Wow, just imagine the heat coming out of that setup without proper cooling... I bet you can bake a cake in that case :P
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#42 Luminouslight
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So, why the 7 PCI-e 16X slots? Seems like overkill.Threesixtyci
You can use the slots like PCI-E sound cards and other add in cards. PCI-E is becoming the new standard, PCI is slowly being phased out.
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[QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]So, why the 7 PCI-e 16X slots? Seems like overkill.Luminouslight
You can use the slots like PCI-E sound cards and other add in cards. PCI-E is becoming the new standard, PCI is slowly being phased out.

But aren't those PCI-e 1x?
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#44 Luminouslight
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[QUOTE="Luminouslight"][QUOTE="Threesixtyci"]So, why the 7 PCI-e 16X slots? Seems like overkill.Threesixtyci
You can use the slots like PCI-E sound cards and other add in cards. PCI-E is becoming the new standard, PCI is slowly being phased out.

But aren't those PCI-e 1x?

PCI-E cards are compatible with any length/speed.
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#45 codezer0
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Electronically, yes. It's just a problem when you have physical limitations (like not enough space for the rest of the connector or slot, and it's a closed PCi-E slot as opposed to an open slot)