Fallout: New Vegas 84%

I think they only knocked points off because its a bit "Stale". If you dont care about that, then I guess this is a real winner.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/19/fallout-new-vegas-review/

Really really enjoying this game so far (:
Love the storytelling, voice acting, atmosphere and rpg elements alot (:

I think they only knocked points off because its a bit "Stale". If you dont care about that, then I guess this is a real winner.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/19/fallout-new-vegas-review/

bonafidetk

The link goes to the TF2 Wiki, about the stickybomb launcher.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

I think they only knocked points off because its a bit "Stale". If you dont care about that, then I guess this is a real winner.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/19/fallout-new-vegas-review/

ventnor

The link goes to the TF2 Wiki, about the stickybomb launcher.

I think that's meant to be a joke.

[QUOTE="bonafidetk"]

I think they only knocked points off because its a bit "Stale". If you dont care about that, then I guess this is a real winner.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/10/19/fallout-new-vegas-review/

ventnor

The link goes to the TF2 Wiki, about the stickybomb launcher.

The 360 version is having crashing problems. PC and PS3 versions don't seem to have this problem.Gooeykat

[QUOTE="Gooeykat"]The 360 version is having crashing problems. PC and PS3 versions don't seem to have this problem.dakan45

I'm picking it up in a couple of hours.:DThen I have to wait for it to donwload.:(

Sweet. My copy should be arriving today. There goes my day. :P

Awesome, awesome game.

The depth of an Obsidian game with the mechanics/feel of FO3. Winner, and a must buy.

Now I just need FOOK ported into it.

:shock:....Forget i ever said anything, becuase i said neither of those things, you just throw random things there bud. My post had nothing to do with any of those things you said. If you dont get it, then perhaps you were not there when i said that i bet new vegas will be buggy. Suprsingly i turned out to be right again and it seems that new vegas is indeed buggier than fallout 3 and my happy face :) was for nothing :(...oh well another time that the gaming industry has proven to be so dissapointly apparent to me.dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"]:shock:....Forget i ever said anything, becuase i said neither of those things, you just throw random things there bud. My post had nothing to do with any of those things you said. If you dont get it, then perhaps you were not there when i said that i bet new vegas will be buggy. Suprsingly i turned out to be right again and it seems that new vegas is indeed buggier than fallout 3 and my happy face :) was for nothing :(...oh well another time that the gaming industry has proven to be so dissapointly apparent to me.guildclaws

Game is awesome, this is what I wanted in Fallout3 (:

Great work Obsidian!

[QUOTE="guildclaws"][QUOTE="dakan45"]:shock:....Forget i ever said anything, becuase i said neither of those things, you just throw random things there bud. My post had nothing to do with any of those things you said. If you dont get it, then perhaps you were not there when i said that i bet new vegas will be buggy. Suprsingly i turned out to be right again and it seems that new vegas is indeed buggier than fallout 3 and my happy face :) was for nothing :(...oh well another time that the gaming industry has proven to be so dissapointly apparent to me.dakan45

?? of course they know about bethesda's engine they have been working off it for the last two years, the problem in this instance is the crappy engine to begin with as FO3 and oblivion where easily as buggy as new vegas when they first came out, from what ive heard the most important part of any rpg (story character and game mechanics) are better than 3 and more like the first 2 (story wise anyway) so it should be a very good game

A very meager review without touch on a lot of the actual changes in gameplay, etc.. "I had a lot of fun, but I never uncovered anything as wonderful as Fallout 3's Oasis or Little Lamplight." ...both of which only highlighted how limited the exploration/freedom in Fallout 3 was... Oasis's quest had no impact on anything and you couldn't even shoot kids in Little Lamplight... I mean, c'mon! But seriously. I was never really impressed by those locales...jedinat

Completely agree.

They called NV stale yet that's all there was to see in FO3.

Wonderful as Oasis and a grey cave filled with kids? What the hell was the reviewer smoking?

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="guildclaws"]true, but i'm sure Fallout New Vegas will be less buggier than Fallout 3icyseanfitz

?? of course they know about bethesda's engine they have been working off it for the last two years, the problem in this instance is the crappy engine to begin with as FO3 and oblivion where easily as buggy as new vegas when they first came out, from what ive heard the most important part of any rpg (story character and game mechanics) are better than 3 and more like the first 2 (story wise anyway) so it should be a very good game

So far what I've experienced is...

Lower framerates than Fallout 3.
Only one crash in the two hours I've played as opposed to the 20 or so I had with Fallout 3 at launch.
Much deeper gameplay.
Much more challenging.
Leveled monster encounters seem to be gone, seriously I wandered off the road and was swarmed by these flying insect creatures, killed within seconds. Found a giant radscorpion with younglings who proceeded to maul me, I'm playing on hardcore mode.
Shooting mechanics are tight and responsive.
Weapon modifications, gambling, crafting, and ammo creation are all awesome additions.

Basically it's Fallout 3 with the best mods polished in with a little dose of Stalker.

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] How you are pretty sure? What i am saying is that there is a high possibility of new vegas being more buggy because obsidian games are buggy and they know nothing about bethesda's eninge. How you are pretty sure of the opposite?dakan45

?? of course they know about bethesda's engine they have been working off it for the last two years, the problem in this instance is the crappy engine to begin with as FO3 and oblivion where easily as buggy as new vegas when they first came out, from what ive heard the most important part of any rpg (story character and game mechanics) are better than 3 and more like the first 2 (story wise anyway) so it should be a very good game

tbh the engine that bethesda used in oblivion and fallout 3 was just broken to begin with, what do you mean by rpg elements? to me what makes a good rpg is all in the writing (as in does it have a good story as well as good characters) fallout 3 had useless writing (its story was bad had some alright characters though), also features like hardcore mode are meant to immerse you in the game world, also alpha protocol had a really good story etc. it was just the technical side of it that let it down, im sorry but im having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say :)

So far what I've experienced is...

Lower framerates than Fallout 3.
Only one crash in the two hours I've played as opposed to the 20 or so I had with Fallout 3 at launch.
Much deeper gameplay.
Much more challenging.
Leveled monster encounters seem to be gone, seriously I wandered off the road and was swarmed by these flying insect creatures, killed within seconds. Found a giant radscorpion with younglings who proceeded to maul me, I'm playing on hardcore mode.
Shooting mechanics are tight and responsive.
Weapon modifications, gambling, crafting, and ammo creation are all awesome additions.

Basically it's Fallout 3 with the best mods polished in with a little dose of Stalker.

Ragingbear505

thank god there is no monster leveling i cant stand that, sounds like a brilliant game just wait for a patch to solve some of these problems and people might actually start appreciating it instead of just burying it because its made by obsidian

Loving this game, its great to see a dev actually listen to the fans for a change (:

To me the story, characters, voice acting and rpg elements are so much btter then they where in Fallout3.

For me I LOVE a good story, characters and rpg elements, this is a dream come true as a old school fallout1/2 fan (;

As for hwo it runs? I have heard alot of peopel on 360 are having issues, and a few on PC to. But for me personally I am 4 hours into the game and I have not gone below 50 FPS, no crashes, no freezes and no huge bugs. I am sure others that are sayign they ahve issues are truly having some problems, but so far for me its been smooth sailing and no more buggy then Fallout3 or Oblivion was.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

?? of course they know about bethesda's engine they have been working off it for the last two years, the problem in this instance is the crappy engine to begin with as FO3 and oblivion where easily as buggy as new vegas when they first came out, from what ive heard the most important part of any rpg (story character and game mechanics) are better than 3 and more like the first 2 (story wise anyway) so it should be a very good game

icyseanfitz

tbh the engine that bethesda used in oblivion and fallout 3 was just broken to begin with, what do you mean by rpg elements? to me what makes a good rpg is all in the writing (as in does it have a good story as well as good characters) fallout 3 had useless writing (its story was bad had some alright characters though), also features like hardcore mode are meant to immerse you in the game world, also alpha protocol had a really good story etc. it was just the technical side of it that let it down, im sorry but im having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say :)

[QUOTE="icyseanfitz"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] My point was that even bethesda that are veterans by now with the engine had many issues with fallout 3. So someone with far less experiance would surelly had problems. Anyway, i wouldnt fully agree with the rpg statement. Sure it makes better roleplaying but some people happen to like games for what they are and not what they supose to be. What i mean is that i like fallout 3 for what it is. I dont care much about improving the rpg elements. Its not a necessity for a good game. Eg diablo series. So in other words i am interested in the game as a product rather the rpg elements alone, alpha protocol had good rpg elements but everything else in the game was a mess, from combat to control to engine optimization,etc,etc. I really hope this plays well with no issues because so far it looks pretty good.dakan45

tbh the engine that bethesda used in oblivion and fallout 3 was just broken to begin with, what do you mean by rpg elements? to me what makes a good rpg is all in the writing (as in does it have a good story as well as good characters) fallout 3 had useless writing (its story was bad had some alright characters though), also features like hardcore mode are meant to immerse you in the game world, also alpha protocol had a really good story etc. it was just the technical side of it that let it down, im sorry but im having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say :)

We get it Dakan.. you hate Mass Effect, we ahve known this for years now.

So far what I've experienced is...

Lower framerates than Fallout 3.
Only one crash in the two hours I've played as opposed to the 20 or so I had with Fallout 3 at launch.
Much deeper gameplay.
Much more challenging.
Leveled monster encounters seem to be gone, seriously I wandered off the road and was swarmed by these flying insect creatures, killed within seconds. Found a giant radscorpion with younglings who proceeded to maul me, I'm playing on hardcore mode.
Shooting mechanics are tight and responsive.
Weapon modifications, gambling, crafting, and ammo creation are all awesome additions.

Basically it's Fallout 3 with the best mods polished in with a little dose of Stalker.

Ragingbear505

sounds very good indeed. pissed off with the late european release but i haven't got time to play it before the weekend anyway really so not too bothered. roll on friday...

[QUOTE="Gooeykat"]The 360 version is having crashing problems. PC and PS3 versions don't seem to have this problem.dakan45

That as a product it will be worse if not the same in stability and since obsidian makes it, it is sure it will have issues. As for rpg elements? As i said i see a game as game, i dont judge it by how many choices you can make and how good are the charcters. A well designed core gameplay and its mechanics can be fun without roleplaying gimmicks to be taken to maximum. Eg: diablo> mass effect.dakan45

Sorry to disappoint you but for me it's running just as well if not better than FO:3.

The second part of your statement is just so silly that I'm not even sure it's worth addressing...I mean, really, who wants role-playing in their role-playing games? I know personally I'd probably like FPS more if they didn't have all those goofy FPS gun gimmicks andI'd probably like RTS games better if they didn't rely on having all those different gimmicky units to manage and if they were turn-based.

If you don't like role-playing games there's a simple solution -- don't buy role-playing games.

Downloading now from steam. I was a bit on the fence, but this part of the IGN UK review sold me 100%:

"Playing Fallout: New Vegas in hardcore mode is a revolution. You become a true wastelander, collapsing onto whatever roadside mattress you can find to stave off sleep deprivation, lapping dirty water from toilet bowls to hydrate yourself, going through every bin and abandoned building you can find for morsels of irradiated food and dying almost every time you venture off the beaten path. Skills that otherwise lurk at the bottom of your priorities, like Unarmed and Survival, become absolutely essential. Perks that you'd otherwise skip over become lifesavers.

It doesn't just make things harder – it's not a wasteland Hard mode that artificially gives mangy raiders thousands of hit points. It changes the whole way you play the game, completely altering your worldview. Ammunition has weight, so there's more of a reason to explore Fallout: New Vegas' vastly improved melee weapons. Instead of obsessing over your next quest goal, you're scouring the horizon for buildings that might have water, or a settlement that might have a doctor to heal your crippled limbs."

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/112/1128811p1.html

So what that score tells you is if you loved the previous one, you'll love this one. On the other hand...

So what that score tells you is if you loved the previous one, you'll love this one. On the other hand...

Cruxis27

I am the exact opposite though dude. I didnt like Fallout3 to much, but I LOVE this game. It has mroe rpg elements, has a better story, has better atmosphere and dialogue also.

Fallout3 seemed more like a FPS adventure to me, where as this feels like an RPG and reminds me of Fallout1/2 a bit, even a little liek Stalker in the factions aspect to.

This is a game I think that most Fallout3 fans will enjoy, but at the same time I think people who had issues with Fallout3 will enjoy this game alot more then they did Fallout3, at least thats how it is for me.

Fallout3 I enjoyed it about a 7/10.... New Vegas? I am enjoying it 9/10

[QUOTE="Cruxis27"]

So what that score tells you is if you loved the previous one, you'll love this one. On the other hand...

kozzy1234

I am the exact opposite though dude. I didnt like Fallout3 to much, but I LOVE this game. It has mroe rpg elements, has a better story, has better atmosphere and dialogue also.

Fallout3 seemed more like a FPS adventure to me, where as this feels like an RPG and reminds me of Fallout1/2 a bit, even a little liek Stalker in the factions aspect to.

This is a game I think that most Fallout3 fans will enjoy, but at the same time I think people who had issues with Fallout3 will enjoy this game alot more then they did Fallout3, at least thats how it is for me.

Fallout3 I enjoyed it about a 7/10.... New Vegas? I am enjoying it 9/10

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

[QUOTE="Cruxis27"]

So what that score tells you is if you loved the previous one, you'll love this one. On the other hand...

Dante2710

I am the exact opposite though dude. I didnt like Fallout3 to much, but I LOVE this game. It has mroe rpg elements, has a better story, has better atmosphere and dialogue also.

Fallout3 seemed more like a FPS adventure to me, where as this feels like an RPG and reminds me of Fallout1/2 a bit, even a little liek Stalker in the factions aspect to.

This is a game I think that most Fallout3 fans will enjoy, but at the same time I think people who had issues with Fallout3 will enjoy this game alot more then they did Fallout3, at least thats how it is for me.

Fallout3 I enjoyed it about a 7/10.... New Vegas? I am enjoying it 9/10

Really glad to hear im not the only one :P

not bad ,:oops:

Downloading now from steam. I was a bit on the fence, but this part of the IGN UK review sold me 100%:

"Playing Fallout: New Vegas in hardcore mode is a revolution. You become a true wastelander, collapsing onto whatever roadside mattress you can find to stave off sleep deprivation, lapping dirty water from toilet bowls to hydrate yourself, going through every bin and abandoned building you can find for morsels of irradiated food and dying almost every time you venture off the beaten path. Skills that otherwise lurk at the bottom of your priorities, like Unarmed and Survival, become absolutely essential. Perks that you'd otherwise skip over become lifesavers.

It doesn't just make things harder – it's not a wasteland Hard mode that artificially gives mangy raiders thousands of hit points. It changes the whole way you play the game, completely altering your worldview. Ammunition has weight, so there's more of a reason to explore Fallout: New Vegas' vastly improved melee weapons. Instead of obsessing over your next quest goal, you're scouring the horizon for buildings that might have water, or a settlement that might have a doctor to heal your crippled limbs."

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/112/1128811p1.html

Mazoch

We get it Dakan.. you hate Mass Effect, we ahve known this for years now.kozzy1234

SEE? See what i am talking about? I used mass effect as a comparison means and the first thing it poped into your mind was my dislike for mass effect. What the hell did you want me to pick? A far older game that feels like its out of place in the current discussions? I picked the last one that was like that. There is ofcourse alpha protocol but one can argue that alpha protocol has much more complicated and varied combat and interaction with the enviroment than mass effect that relies mainly on the dialogue choices to enforce the gameplay. Once again read my posts for what they are. Not what game i liked/disliked in the past but read them and reply to them for what they are saying at that time.

happens all the time, well atleast compared to pc. 360 games have really lowered the standards, im so glad we still have pc gaming because xbox 360 games often run so poorly it completely ruins the experience.TerrorRizzing

First it was ps3 games running badly, now its x360 games running badly...:roll: anyway, point is i was trying to be happy for nothing because it seems to be run like crap as i predicted.

[QUOTE="-wildflowerSorry to disappoint you but for me it's running just as well if not better than FO:3The second part of your statement is just so silly that I'm not even sure it's worth addressing...I mean, really, who wants role-playing in their role-playing games? I know personally I'd probably like FPS more if they didn't have all those goofy FPS gun gimmicks andI'd probably like RTS games better if they didn't rely on having all those different gimmicky units to manage and if they were turn-based.

If you don't like role-playing games there's a simple solution -- don't buy role-playing games.

...and this is where i am going to say that reviews have said its more buggy than fallout and runs worse. But fallout 3 did not run "well" to begin with, as for the second point? Dahh, diablo players perhaps? Online mmo players perhaps? That focus on leveling up he character and combat rather choices? Yes there are those "rpgs" too!! Also about gun gimmicks has any of you actually noticed that the combat in fallout new vegas is yet another aim down the sights fps gimmick with fps weapon mechanics rather being more rpg like? Like fallout 3 for example?

So yeah fallout 3 new vegas is a more fps like combat rpg with more choices. I guess one can see it is a better rpg and another can see it like its a worse one because it players more like an fps and less stats based.What i am saying is that i liked fallout 3 the way it was. Not with ton of choices and definetly not with fps action likecombat. So yeahi liked the way fallout 3 was, you gonna hate the fanbse now?

I guess you never thought it that way.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I am the exact opposite though dude. I didnt like Fallout3 to much, but I LOVE this game. It has mroe rpg elements, has a better story, has better atmosphere and dialogue also.

Fallout3 seemed more like a FPS adventure to me, where as this feels like an RPG and reminds me of Fallout1/2 a bit, even a little liek Stalker in the factions aspect to.

This is a game I think that most Fallout3 fans will enjoy, but at the same time I think people who had issues with Fallout3 will enjoy this game alot more then they did Fallout3, at least thats how it is for me.

Fallout3 I enjoyed it about a 7/10.... New Vegas? I am enjoying it 9/10

kozzy1234

Really glad to hear im not the only one :P

true, but i'm sure Fallout New Vegas will be less buggier than Fallout 3

I completely understand the frustration coming from Bethesda's games (i am not talking about Obsidian) but i think we go over the top stating that it is the studio that has the buggiest games and judge them by that. This might be true but the fact is they are the only studio who has tried to make an RPG this big, with so many events happening at the same time, with so many choices etc, which turned out to be success...Yes, BioWare's games are glitch-free most of the time, but hey, everybody can make sure that all events happening within a small, closed space are in sync and bug-free, dont you think?

We should be lucky to have Bethesda's games of such magnitude and be more supportive to what they have done. Bugs are to be expected in such huge worlds, NPC support and all other events that need to be tracked and synched. What are some games with so much content that are less buggier and glitch-free?

DISCLAIMER: This statement comes from a player who has played Oblivion, Fallout3 and now New Vegas. I have had my share of disappointment, nerve-wreckings and all. Still, the idea of those games, completely defeats the disappointment of bugs or glitches occuring. Now, if i had Mass Effect with the same problems, i would have a problem and a huge one at that.

We should be lucky to have Bethesda's games of such magnitude and be more supportive to what they have done. Bugs are to be expected in such huge worlds, NPC support and all other events that need to be tracked and synched. What are some games with so much content that are less buggier and glitch-free?

EvilSelf

I think the issue is the fact that these bugs consistantly pop up in all their games - and they've only been doing one style of game for the last 15 years. You'd think they'd learn by now? Tack on Obsidian which makes some of the buggiest games known to man and you have a recipe for a glitchfest.

[QUOTE="EvilSelf"]

We should be lucky to have Bethesda's games of such magnitude and be more supportive to what they have done. Bugs are to be expected in such huge worlds, NPC support and all other events that need to be tracked and synched. What are some games with so much content that are less buggier and glitch-free?

XaosII

I think the issue is the fact that these bugs consistantly pop up in all their games - and they've only been doing one style of game for the last 15 years. You'd think they'd learn by now? Tack on Obsidian which makes some of the buggiest games known to man and you have a recipe for a glitchfest.

Yeah, you are correct. The same engine has been over-used and needs to go and an appropriate upgrade should be in place by now. That, i can agree with. I guess "milking" your fans out as much as possible is a tactic that is being overly used now by everybody.