Far Cry 2 to have Securom, complete with 5 activation limits.

http://ubisoft.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ubisoft.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=12403

Oh boy........

Funny how pirates can get past this easily, and the people that actually buy the games are stuck with this crap. Absolutely pointless.bedram793

Piracy Type A (hacked version sharing) will not be affected by this, but not the case for the other two: Type B - game loaning/borrowing and Type C -used game circulation.

the battle with Type A is lost (currently at least), and so corporates investing in making sure that the war against Type B and C will be won.

[QUOTE="bedram793"]Funny how pirates can get past this easily, and the people that actually buy the games are stuck with this crap. Absolutely pointless.teardropmina

Piracy Type A (hacked version sharing) will not be affected by this, but not the case for the other two: Type B - game loaning/borrowing and Type C -used game circulation.

the battle with Type A is lost (currently at least), and so corporates investing in making sure that the war against Type B and C will be won.

Yeah, but if someone wants to pirate a game, they are going to pirate it either way. If one way doesn't work, I'm sure they will just try another one.

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[QUOTE="bedram793"]Funny how pirates can get past this easily, and the people that actually buy the games are stuck with this crap. Absolutely pointless.bedram793

Piracy Type A (hacked version sharing) will not be affected by this, but not the case for the other two: Type B - game loaning/borrowing and Type C -used game circulation.

the battle with Type A is lost (currently at least), and so corporates investing in making sure that the war against Type B and C will be won.

Yeah, but if someone wants to pirate a game, they are going to pirate it either way. If one way doesn't work, I'm sure they will just try another one.

probably corporates are betting on that there'll be more Type B/C pirates go out to buy games from legit retail sources than turning into Type A.

I no longer care about this stuff. I've bought BioShock, Mass Effect, Alone in the Dark and Crysis Warhead and they've all been fine. Seems like all SecuROM games are good enough to keep installed all the time, or bad enough that there's no reason to ever reinstall them.

And I suspect Far Cry 2 is going to be one or the other, too.

And now they've lost a potential customer.Whenever I hear an phrase "activation limit" I get an urge simply to download games evenif I have no interest in playing them. So I'll save my money for a company that will actually appreciate it. If the game is good I might even try it :) . But I am sure not buying it. zhivago_x

You should probably get used to not playing, or buying any major PC releases. And I wouldn't be surprised to see DRM come to consoles in the near future. (next gen)

And I wouldn't be surprised to see DRM come to consoles in the near future. (next gen)

Captain__Tripps

Yeah, I'd say it's a certainty. Install limits are primarily to prevent lending and resale, and I suspect the console market sees much more of that than PCs do. Thing is, though, an internet connection on a computer is commonplace and has been for years. Adding internet activation alienates (in terms of availability) probably less than 1% of potential buyers. Can the same be said of console gamers?

Even by 2011 or whenever the next console gen starts, just how many console gamers will be alienated through not having a console hooked up to the net? Anyway, I still see it as a certainty. The big three take a neat slice off of every game sale, so they have a clear incentive to support the elimination of lending and resale.

I no longer care about this stuff. I've bought BioShock, Mass Effect, Alone in the Dark and Crysis Warhead and they've all been fine. Seems like all SecuROM games are good enough to keep installed all the time, or bad enough that there's no reason to ever reinstall them.

And I suspect Far Cry 2 is going to be one or the other, too.

fatshodan

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I no longer care about this stuff. I've bought BioShock, Mass Effect, Alone in the Dark and Crysis Warhead and they've all been fine. Seems like all SecuROM games are good enough to keep installed all the time, or bad enough that there's no reason to ever reinstall them.

And I suspect Far Cry 2 is going to be one or the other, too.

Makari

Yeah, but that's nothing. I bought BioShock, too. *shudders*

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="fatshodan"]

I no longer care about this stuff. I've bought BioShock, Mass Effect, Alone in the Dark and Crysis Warhead and they've all been fine. Seems like all SecuROM games are good enough to keep installed all the time, or bad enough that there's no reason to ever reinstall them.

And I suspect Far Cry 2 is going to be one or the other, too.

fatshodan

Yeah, but that's nothing. I bought BioShock, too. *shudders*

So what? It has a revoke systemnevereathim

when it revokes one activation..do you need to be connected to the internet? if so that EPIC FAIL.

Like to point out that Far cry 2 on the 360 is available to pirate online, but the PC version isn't. The PC version is likely to get cracked on the first or second day it goes on sale but not before so it does work.

Really it doesn't bother me. Companies use this to make em feel safe. If it means they make games on the PC so be it.......for now. If i use up the activations and i can't get anymore well i'll just crack it. No biggie.

[QUOTE="nevereathim"]So what? It has a revoke systemReaperV7

when it revokes one activation..do you need to be connected to the internet? if so that EPIC FAIL.

It is on their servers that activations are done and install limits are tracked, how do you suggest deactivating a copy without informing the server of the change?

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[QUOTE="nevereathim"]So what? It has a revoke systemAnnoyedDragon

when it revokes one activation..do you need to be connected to the internet? if so that EPIC FAIL.

It is on their servers that activations are done and install limits are tracked, how do you suggest deactivating a copy without informing the server of the change?

wow thats pretty horrible and such a scam. Well they lost 1 game sale.

In the meantime the so called piracy proof console version of Far Cry 2 is up on you know where, there is no PC version up there however.

The irony.

That sucks, but this game looks too damn good to prevent me from buying it because of that. Lets be real I dont plan on installing the game on more than 5 computers at the same time.bignice12

Unless of course you accidentally lose an activation, which is quite easy.

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Though I have to say Ubisoft's approach is in the right direction.

Also, whats the big thing about targetting the used game market? Just souds like a mean way of shutting down other elements of the gaming industry.

Ironic isn't it all.

First day of Bioshock's release, it was available through torrents. But only the Xbox 360 version.

Fallout 3 was leaked and is available through pirated torrents before the pc version is even released.

Far Cry 2 has already been listed as available through torrents for the Xbox 360 as well. Before the pc release.

But pirating is the #1 excuse for people like John Carmack, Lucasarts and various others as well as Will Wright for having extreme pc security software. And dont tell me not that many people have modded consoles because they do, its easy and cheap and wildly available through internet companies to have it done for you.

Also lets not forget the possible PS3 nightmare scare a couple of years a ago. If you didnt know or forgot, originally the PS3 was going to have a security chip inside. All PS3 games were going to have a security key built into the disk. Once that security key was activated by the console that specific game could only be used on that PS3 that activated it and on no other.

Not only destroying the resale value of the game, but also making it impossible to play the game on your friends PS3 or impossible for companies like Blockbuster and Game Fly to rent out games for the PS3 because they security key had already been assigned to one specific unit.

We may yet see that in the next gen of consoles and digital distro on the pc and console may become the norm.

If that happens I will predict that modded consoles and pirating of all games across all systems will become even more rampant and available if not see a huge total loss of revenue stream from consumers.

But I could be wrong

Ironic isn't it all.

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If that happens I will predict that modded consoles and pirating of all games across all systems will become even more rampant and available if not see a huge total loss of revenue stream from consumers.

But I could be wrong

Stratacoustix

I pretty much agree with what you say. and I think corporates are betting on that you're wrong, or even you're right, they'd be happy just knowing that they get their cut from every retail game in circulation (no renting, no loaning/borrowing and no used game sales).

corporates can certainly live with hacked game sharing as they always do, just like right now.

So i haven't bought a drm game yet but pre-ordered fc 2. However i plan on building a new pc eventually, if i uninstall fc 2 on my current pc can i then reinstall it on my new one?Precyse

I no longer care about this stuff. I've bought BioShock, Mass Effect, Alone in the Dark and Crysis Warhead and they've all been fine. Seems like all SecuROM games are good enough to keep installed all the time, or bad enough that there's no reason to ever reinstall them.

And I suspect Far Cry 2 is going to be one or the other, too.

fatshodan

If I want to borrow my car to a friend or sell it, who is there to stop me? It's my property, i paid for it fair and square. So since we know that DRM cannot affect piracy the only thing these companies are actually trying to affect is used games market and borrowing games to friends. And I cannot aprove thath. Or accept it.zhivago_x

Well, the problem when you lend your game to your friend, is your are really giving him a full copy. He installs it, installs a no-cd crack, then gives it back. So he has the full game without never having bought it.

[QUOTE="zhivago_x"]If I want to borrow my car to a friend or sell it, who is there to stop me? It's my property, i paid for it fair and square. So since we know that DRM cannot affect piracy the only thing these companies are actually trying to affect is used games market and borrowing games to friends. And I cannot aprove thath. Or accept it.Captain__Tripps

Well, the problem when you lend your game to your friend, is your are really giving him a full copy. He installs it, installs a no-cd crack, then gives it back. So he has the full game without never having bought it.

And DRM and activation limits stop this how? By having people downloading more torrents?

If I want to borrow my car to a friend or sell it, who is there to stop me? It's my property, i paid for it fair and square. So since we know that DRM cannot affect piracy the only thing these companies are actually trying to affect is used games market and borrowing games to friends. And I cannot aprove thath. Or accept it.zhivago_x

Bad comparison my friend. A car is a physical thing while video games are digital which by definition can't be touch or not physical. Also, with that kind of saying, i assume you don't read EULA. The design, the story, the software, etc. isn't your property. You are just allowed to use it. Remember that my friend.

Won't stop me from getting it, I have a portable Harddisk for a reason.Treflis

Windows has REG not for nothing either.but I think it doesn't matter since it seems that you're going to get the game no matter what anyway.

Won't stop me from getting it, I have a portable Harddisk for a reason.Treflis

Uhh, you know SecuRom installs a rootkit into the same drive as your Windows is installed? Not just installed into the drive the game is installed.

or they're just overly protective of what they install on their computer.SentientGames

sure, of course, ignorance is bliss.

Not a problem for me, neither has been spore or warhead, anyway i don't think i will reinstall that many times (4TB of space FTW!), and well i actually don't borrow my games to anyone so...

BUT if somehow it becomes a problem i will just get a no cd thing, it's legall since i will buy an original copy.

[QUOTE="zhivago_x"]If I want to borrow my car to a friend or sell it, who is there to stop me? It's my property, i paid for it fair and square. So since we know that DRM cannot affect piracy the only thing these companies are actually trying to affect is used games market and borrowing games to friends. And I cannot aprove thath. Or accept it.lordlors

Bad comparison my friend. A car is a physical thing while video games are digital which by definition can't be touch or not physical. Also, with that kind of saying, i assume you don't read EULA. The design, the story, the software, etc. isn't your property. You are just allowed to use it. Remember that my friend.

And don't give a &$$@ about EULA. If I buy a game with my money it is my thing where I want to play or when I want to play it or who I am going to give it. Think of the next scenario: you buy a music album and you realize you can only play it in 3 steros without conacting the publisher later. This DRM is nothing but bad marketing that makes people turn to pirates.

Cmon.... u will finish the game multiple times, uninstall it, and maybe play something else before the installation limit is over....

Its fine

[QUOTE="SentientGames"]or they're just overly protective of what they install on their computer.teardropmina

sure, of course, ignorance is bliss.