Fast computer, low FPS?

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#1 face_ripper
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I wiil get right into this.

So I have 2 computers, ones a desktop, and the other is a laptop. I play MW2 on them both, the desktop can run the game on mid-high settings at a constant 120 FPS, the laptop however is limited to 60 FPS even at the lowest settings.

Desktop specs:

Duo core @ 2.10GHz

2GB RAM, Nvidia 9500GT, Windows XP SP3.

Laptop specs:

Core i3 @ 2.10GHz

4GB RAM, Radeon HD 6470M, Windows 7 Home-Basic 64 bit.

My laptop is far greater than the desktop in every way, but why does the FPS limit to only 60?

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#2 CuRle_
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V-SYNC is probably on. Why do you need more than 60fps?
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#3 woomar
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i am surprised how your desktop can run MW2 on mid-high setting with 120 FPS ! you CPU is not that powerfull , even your GPU is Mid-range ...

on topic : do what "CuRle_" told you

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#4 face_ripper
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[QUOTE="woomar"]

i am surprised how your desktop can run MW2 on mid-high setting with 120 FPS ! you CPU is not that powerfull , even your GPU is Mid-range ...

on topic : do what "CuRle_" told you

To reply to both you and CuRie_ V-Sync is off, and in a game like MW2, 60fps and 120 make a huge difference to my gameplay. But woomar, you are right, my desktop is not the best desktop, but it CAN run MW2 with 120 FPS, (if your wondering, Dirt 3 only gets only about 40 fps in mid, and it runs ok). What I don't get is, why does my laptop limit itself to 60 FPS, and i do mean limit. never goes to 62+.
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#5 CuRle_
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[QUOTE="face_ripper"][QUOTE="woomar"]

i am surprised how your desktop can run MW2 on mid-high setting with 120 FPS ! you CPU is not that powerfull , even your GPU is Mid-range ...

on topic : do what "CuRle_" told you

To reply to both you and CuRie_ V-Sync is off, and in a game like MW2, 60fps and 120 make a huge difference to my gameplay.

Lol, it's all in your head. I highly doubt your laptop has a 120Hz display. Even if it did, 60 to 120 fps would not make a huge difference, it would be barely noticeable.
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#6 gravitygamer
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i have a laptop with the same config an HP i do get the same.it must be cause its running on a mobility card.mobility cards aren't that powerful.what about black ops on the laptop.i get 40 -45.
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#7 woomar
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i am not familiar with AMD drivers , did you check the control panel of your video card driver and see if there is an option to disable the v-sync .

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#8 face_ripper
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[QUOTE="CuRle_"][QUOTE="face_ripper"][QUOTE="woomar"]

i am surprised how your desktop can run MW2 on mid-high setting with 120 FPS ! you CPU is not that powerfull , even your GPU is Mid-range ...

on topic : do what "CuRle_" told you

To reply to both you and CuRie_ V-Sync is off, and in a game like MW2, 60fps and 120 make a huge difference to my gameplay.

Lol, it's all in your head. I highly doubt your laptop has a 120Hz display. Even if it did, 60 to 120 fps would not make a huge difference, it would be barely noticeable.

I'm not trying to start an argument or debate, but I never said it's 120Hz, its only 60Hz. Thanks for trying to help mate, i guess it's in my head, I just gotta get used to it then.
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#9 GarGx1
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Flat screen displays only refresh at 60hz (60 fps) CRT screens will refresh at a much higher rate, 120 Hz is well with in reason. You can uncheck an option in windows to allow you select refresh rates that your screen doesn't support, so you can select it but a flat screen (tft or led) will still only refresh at 60 Hz (59 Hz in some cases)

If anyone is still using a CRT display then minimum refresh rate should be 85Hz, it's about the rate a human eye 'refreshes'

It's the way the 2 different types of screen do their stuff, Flat screens refresh pixles as needed, CRT's refresh the entire screen so many times per second which is why on a low refresh rate they can appear to flicker and give you a headache.

Hope that helps

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#10 GummiRaccoon
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Post a screen shot of you get 120 fps.

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#11 fishing666
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im sure he runs at 1024x768 to get that kind of fps with a low end graphics card
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60 or 120 FPS, either way your eyeballs cannot tell the difference. So don't worry about it.

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#13 hartsickdiscipl
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60 or 120 FPS, either way your eyeballs cannot tell the difference. So don't worry about it.

debusentel

This is a fallacy. There are many people out there who can clearly spot the difference between 60 and 120hz. If you go to a TV store and look at a 60hz and a 120hz version of the same basic TV (like the samsung d550 and d630 series LCDs), there is a difference. The picture on the 120hz TV is much more fluid, and there is no flickering, which is sometimes noticeable on a 60hz display. My eyes are very sensitive to anything below about 85hz, which sucks when gaming on a 60hz LCD. If I game on a 60hz screen for more than an hour or so, my eyes really start to hurt. If I game on a screen with a higher refresh rate, my eyes do just fine.

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#14 face_ripper
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im sure he runs at 1024x768 to get that kind of fps with a low end graphics cardfishing666
I do run on 1024x768, your right. And I belive that if it has to do with the screen, then there is nothing I can do about it. Guess laptops wern't made for playing games after all.
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#15 gravitygamer
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[QUOTE="debusentel"]

60 or 120 FPS, either way your eyeballs cannot tell the difference. So don't worry about it.

hartsickdiscipl

This is a fallacy. There are many people out there who can clearly spot the difference between 60 and 120hz. If you go to a TV store and look at a 60hz and a 120hz version of the same basic TV (like the samsung d550 and d630 series LCDs), there is a difference. The picture on the 120hz TV is much more fluid, and there is no flickering, which is sometimes noticeable on a 60hz display. My eyes are very sensitive to anything below about 85hz, which sucks when gaming on a 60hz LCD. If I game on a 60hz screen for more than an hour or so, my eyes really start to hurt. If I game on a screen with a higher refresh rate, my eyes do just fine.

hes not talking about the 120hz he talking about 120fps.
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#16 debusentel
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[QUOTE="debusentel"]

60 or 120 FPS, either way your eyeballs cannot tell the difference. So don't worry about it.

hartsickdiscipl

This is a fallacy. There are many people out there who can clearly spot the difference between 60 and 120hz. If you go to a TV store and look at a 60hz and a 120hz version of the same basic TV (like the samsung d550 and d630 series LCDs), there is a difference. The picture on the 120hz TV is much more fluid, and there is no flickering, which is sometimes noticeable on a 60hz display. My eyes are very sensitive to anything below about 85hz, which sucks when gaming on a 60hz LCD. If I game on a 60hz screen for more than an hour or so, my eyes really start to hurt. If I game on a screen with a higher refresh rate, my eyes do just fine.

Ok, I just wanted to shoot a quick reply before I went to sleep (Long day, I'm exhausted). Anyway you are part right. After re-reading the OP and my post I could have worded it better. Between the PC, Laptop and the GPU their is no-way he is using a rate of 120hz. The VRAM on that card alone won't allow it. As far as FPS is concerned, games have a broadcast difference than, say, TV.What you mentioned in your 60hz example is very, very rare and not the norm. I'll get a bit more detailed tomorrow when I'm not so damned tired. Don't mistake my reply as combative (forums can misrepresent/give the wrong perception), it's an interesting discussion either way.

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#17 ChubbyGuy40
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i am surprised how your desktop can run MW2 on mid-high setting with 120 FPS ! you CPU is not that powerfull , even your GPU is Mid-range ...

woomar

Low resolution and med-high might actually be possible. MW2 can run on integrated graphics after all.

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#18 eBusiness
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You know, an HD 6470M is a really cheap chip. A 9500 GT is faster, end of story.

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You may not be able to 'see' the difference between 60fps and 120fps, but i can feel it pretty easily. In a fast fps game like CSS it can make a big difference. As for the 60fps limit, it sounds like vsync or something must be on if lowering the settings makes no difference.

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#20 hartsickdiscipl
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[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="debusentel"]

60 or 120 FPS, either way your eyeballs cannot tell the difference. So don't worry about it.

gravitygamer

This is a fallacy. There are many people out there who can clearly spot the difference between 60 and 120hz. If you go to a TV store and look at a 60hz and a 120hz version of the same basic TV (like the samsung d550 and d630 series LCDs), there is a difference. The picture on the 120hz TV is much more fluid, and there is no flickering, which is sometimes noticeable on a 60hz display. My eyes are very sensitive to anything below about 85hz, which sucks when gaming on a 60hz LCD. If I game on a 60hz screen for more than an hour or so, my eyes really start to hurt. If I game on a screen with a higher refresh rate, my eyes do just fine.

hes not talking about the 120hz he talking about 120fps.

120hz means that the screen is showing 120fps. 60hz means that the screen can only show 60fps, even if a game is being rendered faster than that by the CPU/GPU. So when you talk about FPS, you're also talking about the HZ of the monitor.

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#21 V4LENT1NE
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There is no set limit on what the human eye can see, everyone is different. I remember an interview with Fatal1ty where he said he notices a huge difference in 60fps vs 120fps and he aims for it in all his shooters. The "the human eye cant see more than 30fps" is total nonsence.
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[QUOTE="fishing666"]im sure he runs at 1024x768 to get that kind of fps with a low end graphics cardface_ripper
I do run on 1024x768, your right. And I belive that if it has to do with the screen, then there is nothing I can do about it. Guess laptops wern't made for playing games after all.

It depends on the laptop.
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#23 -GeordiLaForge-
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Its only 60Hz. Thanks for trying to help mate, i guess it's in my head, I just gotta get used to it then.face_ripper
If it's a 60Hz screen, then 120fps will only make the image much worse. Multiple images would be being forced onto the screen at once resulting in "screen tearing..."
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#24 face_ripper
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[QUOTE="face_ripper"]Its only 60Hz. Thanks for trying to help mate, i guess it's in my head, I just gotta get used to it then.-GeordiLaForge-
If it's a 60Hz screen, then 120fps will only make the image much worse. Multiple images would be being forced onto the screen at once resulting in "screen tearing..."

I run the game on my PC on 60Hz screen, and still I get a nice 120FPS when looking into the open, It drops to 60-40 when I face an explosion. But the difference in my gameplay is HUGE at 120fps and 60fps.
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#25 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="face_ripper"]Its only 60Hz. Thanks for trying to help mate, i guess it's in my head, I just gotta get used to it then.face_ripper
If it's a 60Hz screen, then 120fps will only make the image much worse. Multiple images would be being forced onto the screen at once resulting in "screen tearing..."

I run the game on my PC on 60Hz screen, and still I get a nice 120FPS when looking into the open, It drops to 60-40 when I face an explosion. But the difference in my gameplay is HUGE at 120fps and 60fps.

Hz = refreshes per second.. 60Hz = 60fps Your PC may be outputting at 120fps, but a progressive scan 60Hz screen cannot output 120fps. It's simply forcing two images on the screen at once, causing the tear down the middle of the screen.
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#26 GarGx1
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[QUOTE="face_ripper"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]If it's a 60Hz screen, then 120fps will only make the image much worse. Multiple images would be being forced onto the screen at once resulting in "screen tearing..."-GeordiLaForge-
I run the game on my PC on 60Hz screen, and still I get a nice 120FPS when looking into the open, It drops to 60-40 when I face an explosion. But the difference in my gameplay is HUGE at 120fps and 60fps.

Hz = refreshes per second.. 60Hz = 60fps Your PC may be outputting at 120fps, but a progressive scan 60Hz screen cannot output 120fps. It's simply forcing two images on the screen at once, causing the tear down the middle of the screen.

exactly, your screen will only refresh at it's maximum rate regardless ofsetting. 60 Hertz means your screen can refresh 60 frames per second regardless of what your GPU is capable of doing, If it can refresh at 120Hz then you can get 120fps.

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#27 GummiRaccoon
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there is too much, "not quite getting it" in this thread to correct.

Suffice to say, difference refresh rates on different media doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The main reason to shoot as high of a FPS as possible in a game though, isn't for the display of as many frames as possible but to offset as much as possible the input lag associated with clicking your mouse and having your screen display that you shot your gun. Which is why you see a lot of PS/2 Mice being used and not USB or, god forbid, wireless mice.

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#28 kraken2109
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there is too much, "not quite getting it" in this thread to correct.

Suffice to say, difference refresh rates on different media doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The main reason to shoot as high of a FPS as possible in a game though, isn't for the display of as many frames as possible but to offset as much as possible the input lag associated with clicking your mouse and having your screen display that you shot your gun. Which is why you see a lot of PS/2 Mice being used and not USB or, god forbid, wireless mice.

GummiRaccoon
That's what i was saying, it's more about the feel than what you see. If i'm playing CSS at well over 100fps it feels very fast and responsive and the limit is on my reactions, not the game.
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#29 danjammer69
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V-SYNC is probably on. Why do you need more than 60fps?CuRle_
This. The exact 60fps is a giveaway.
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#30 imprezawrx500
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for starters you laptop really isn't that fast the 6470 is not very powerful and the laptop version has probably been further depowered. you could try installing the latest video card drivers if you haven't done that, but a desktop 9500gt would be more powerful than a laptop 6470.