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#1 jed-at-war
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Here are all the parts that I will need to buy:

mobo

cpu

vga

ram

psu

What do you think? DX10 is not important and price is a big issue. I am not sure about the mobo.

EDIT: links updated

EDIT: upgraded to 2x512MB DDR2 800

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#2 jed-at-war
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Any suggestions?
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#3 filmography
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you cheaped out way to much on the ram and your PSU is some no name ****. Never ever cheap out on a power supply thats powering $1000 worth of equipment.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153057 PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227078 RAM

however the powersupply only has 1 PCI-E connector so make sure thats all your powersupply needs.

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#4 jed-at-war
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you cheaped out way to much on the ram and your PSU is some no name ****. Never ever cheap out on a power supply thats powering $1000 worth of equipment.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153057 PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227078 RAM

however the powersupply only has 1 PCI-E connector so make sure thats all your powersupply needs.

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I could not agree with you more, except this PSU is only supporting about $200 worth. That RAM is pricey. I would have gone with 2GB of cheap RAM before I looked at that. What is more important, the speed or latency of RAM? Would I be better to go with DDR2 667 RAM at 4-x-x-x instead of DDR2 800 5-x-x-x?

EDIT: That psu has passive pfc. If I was spending $65 on my psu, I would get one with active pfc.

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#5 jed-at-war
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Any comments on the mobo?
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#6 filmography
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actually the latency at 5-5-5-15 and the speed doesn't make a huge difference, more or less better for overclocking. on the PSU, okay my bad, its 2:00 am and its been a long day, and I cant really comment on the mobo cause I kow nothing about it.
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actually the latency at 5-5-5-15 and the speed doesn't make a huge difference, more or less better for overclocking. on the PSU, okay my bad, its 2:00 am and its been a long day, and I cant really comment on the mobo cause I kow nothing about it. filmography

Lol, I know what you mean.

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#8 Indestructible2
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I'd get a Antec Earthwatts 430W for $5 less than that thermaltake,i agree with filmography on the RAM,but if you're not gonna OC that X2 4000+ i'd get AT LEAST a X2 4600+ preferably a X2 5600+,but if you are gonna OC,get a BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ for $80.
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#9 jed-at-war
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I'd get a Antec Earthwatts 430W for $5 less than that thermaltake,i agree with filmography on the RAM,but if you're not gonna OC that X2 4000+ i'd get AT LEAST a X2 4600+ preferably a X2 5600+,but if you are gonna OC,get a BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ for $80.Indestructible2

No, I don't plan on OC. The price rises quickly as you increase the speed. How much of difference would you really notice with only 10% speed increase? It would be 45% more money for only 10% more performance - right?

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[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]I'd get a Antec Earthwatts 430W for $5 less than that thermaltake,i agree with filmography on the RAM,but if you're not gonna OC that X2 4000+ i'd get AT LEAST a X2 4600+ preferably a X2 5600+,but if you are gonna OC,get a BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ for $80.jed-at-war

No, I don't plan on OC. The price rises quickly as you increase the speed. You much would you really notice with only 10% speed increase?

Actually its closer to 30% X2 4000+ VS X2 5600+ http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup_4.html#sect0

But if you plan on keeping it at stock,just make sure you don't play CPU-Demanding games like SupCom.

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#11 jed-at-war
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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]I'd get a Antec Earthwatts 430W for $5 less than that thermaltake,i agree with filmography on the RAM,but if you're not gonna OC that X2 4000+ i'd get AT LEAST a X2 4600+ preferably a X2 5600+,but if you are gonna OC,get a BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ for $80.Indestructible2

No, I don't plan on OC. The price rises quickly as you increase the speed. You much would you really notice with only 10% speed increase?

Actually its closer to 30% X2 4000+ VS X2 5600+ http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup_4.html#sect0

But if you plan on keeping it at stock,just make sure you don't play CPU-Demanding games like SupCom.

Why? How would it run SuCom?

I was comparing the 4000+ and 4600+ stat wise.

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#12 22Toothpicks
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Like the other guy said, stay away from that PSU. Stick with brands like Ante, Enermax, CorsAir, Thermaltake (I personally have the H2-500W PSU they make, and I am running very similar specs to yours [4600, 1950PRO, 2GB RAM])

But other then that all I can say is that your ass is going to asplode from the performance difference of this to your old rig. *looks at sig* Bleck...
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#13 Indestructible2
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[QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]I'd get a Antec Earthwatts 430W for $5 less than that thermaltake,i agree with filmography on the RAM,but if you're not gonna OC that X2 4000+ i'd get AT LEAST a X2 4600+ preferably a X2 5600+,but if you are gonna OC,get a BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ for $80.jed-at-war

No, I don't plan on OC. The price rises quickly as you increase the speed. You much would you really notice with only 10% speed increase?

Actually its closer to 30% X2 4000+ VS X2 5600+ http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup_4.html#sect0

But if you plan on keeping it at stock,just make sure you don't play CPU-Demanding games like SupCom.

Why? How would it run SuCom?

I was comparing the 4000+ and 4600+ stat wise.

IDK how well SupCom would run but no less than Medium-high settings @ 1280x1024 i would assume,i never played that game with a rig like the one your getting so i'm not for sure,but X2 4000+ VS X2 4600+,stick with the X2 4000+ in that case.
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#14 jed-at-war
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Like the other guy said, stay away from that PSU. Stick with brands like Ante, Enermax, CorsAir, Thermaltake (I personally have the H2-500W PSU they make, and I am running very similar specs to yours [4600, 1950PRO, 2GB RAM])

But other then that all I can say is that your ass is going to asplode from the performance difference of this to your old rig. *looks at sig* Bleck...22Toothpicks

I know! I can't wait!

I got that PSU for the computer in my sig because the reviews were good and my sig pc is not getting enough power. It cannot handle a controller in the USB! I was wondering how that PSU woulddo in a performance machine though. I will look for another one.

How well does the 65nm X2 4000+ overclock?

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[QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]I'd get a Antec Earthwatts 430W for $5 less than that thermaltake,i agree with filmography on the RAM,but if you're not gonna OC that X2 4000+ i'd get AT LEAST a X2 4600+ preferably a X2 5600+,but if you are gonna OC,get a BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ for $80.jed-at-war

No, I don't plan on OC. The price rises quickly as you increase the speed. You much would you really notice with only 10% speed increase?

Actually its closer to 30% X2 4000+ VS X2 5600+ http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/dualcore-roundup_4.html#sect0

But if you plan on keeping it at stock,just make sure you don't play CPU-Demanding games like SupCom.

Why? How would it run SuCom?

I was comparing the 4000+ and 4600+ stat wise.



I run SupCom decently well with some minor hiccups, nothing huge though...
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[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]Like the other guy said, stay away from that PSU. Stick with brands like Ante, Enermax, CorsAir, Thermaltake (I personally have the H2-500W PSU they make, and I am running very similar specs to yours [4600, 1950PRO, 2GB RAM])

But other then that all I can say is that your ass is going to asplode from the performance difference of this to your old rig. *looks at sig* Bleck...jed-at-war

I know! I can't wait!

I got that PSU for the computer in my sig because the reviews were good and my sig pc is not getting enough power. It cannot handle a controller in the USB! I was wondering how that PSU woulddo in a performance machine though. I will look for another one.

How well does the 65nm X2 4000+ overclock?



From what I hear moderately well. But I'm probably not the best source for this as I never OC my CPU...
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#17 Indestructible2
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[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"]Like the other guy said, stay away from that PSU. Stick with brands like Ante, Enermax, CorsAir, Thermaltake (I personally have the H2-500W PSU they make, and I am running very similar specs to yours [4600, 1950PRO, 2GB RAM])

But other then that all I can say is that your ass is going to asplode from the performance difference of this to your old rig. *looks at sig* Bleck...jed-at-war

I know! I can't wait!

I got that PSU for the computer in my sig because the reviews were good and my sig pc is not getting enough power. It cannot handle a controller in the USB! I was wondering how that PSU woulddo in a performance machine though. I will look for another one.

How well does the 65nm X2 4000+ overclock?

X2 BE-2300's and X2 3800+'s have been know to reach 3GHz on a BIOSTAR TF560 A2+ so i would assume that X2 4000+ can reach 3GHz as well,but not all CPU's and Mobo's are created equal,some OC better,some worse,it all depends on luck IMO.
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#18 jed-at-war
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I like the idea of building a system that supports future upgrades very well. This PSU looks like it would do the job.
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#19 Indestructible2
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I like the idea of building a system that supports future upgrades very well. This PSU looks like it would do the job.jed-at-war
NEVER buy Rosewill,they are a crap company with poor quality PSU's,get that Antec Earthwatts 430W i recommended,it kills that Rosewill,even if it had OVER 9000 watts...
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I like the idea of building a system that supports future upgrades very well. This PSU looks like it would do the job.jed-at-war


Ew. Rosewill is ass.

Try this one...
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#21 jed-at-war
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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]I like the idea of building a system that supports future upgrades very well. This PSU looks like it would do the job.22Toothpicks


Ew. Rosewill is ass.

Try this one...

That one doesn't say if it has active PFC. Why is rosewill bad? The reviews seem good. It only has 2 SATA plugs, but I don't need more than one HDD anyway. If that is not it, what is so bad about that brand?

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#22 Indestructible2
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[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"]I like the idea of building a system that supports future upgrades very well. This PSU looks like it would do the job.jed-at-war



Ew. Rosewill is ass.

Try this one...

That one doesn't say if it has active PFC. Why is rosewill bad? The reviews seem good. It only has 2 SATA plugs, but I don't need more than one HDD anyway. If that is not it, what is so bad about that brand?

Read the Reviews from sites like JohhnyGuru,NOT newegg,take newegg reviews with a VERY small grain of salt,and i bet most of those rosewill users DON'T play games like SupCom...
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#23 jed-at-war
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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"]

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"]I like the idea of building a system that supports future upgrades very well. This PSU looks like it would do the job.Indestructible2



Ew. Rosewill is ass.

Try this one...

That one doesn't say if it has active PFC. Why is rosewill bad? The reviews seem good. It only has 2 SATA plugs, but I don't need more than one HDD anyway. If that is not it, what is so bad about that brand?

Read the Reviews from sites like JohhnyGuru,NOT newegg,take newegg reviews with a VERY small grain of salt,and i bet most of those rosewill users DON'T play games like SupCom...

good point. What about this one?

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[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"]I like the idea of building a system that supports future upgrades very well. This PSU looks like it would do the job.jed-at-war



Ew. Rosewill is ass.

Try this one...

That one doesn't say if it has active PFC. Why is rosewill bad? The reviews seem good. It only has 2 SATA plugs, but I don't need more than one HDD anyway. If that is not it, what is so bad about that brand?



They are just faulty and do not perform well under gaming conditions from what I hear...
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#25 jed-at-war
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Okay, I found the MSI one to be trash. How is this one?
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#26 jed-at-war
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Allright, I did some research on PSU brands and looked at some mobos. I have updated my OP with my findings.
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Allright, I did some research on PSU brands and looked at some mobos. I have updated my OP with my findings.jed-at-war
The 430W version of the same PSU is THE SAME DAMN price!

Everything else seems decent.

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Jed, did you just call $60 for 2 gigs of ram EXPENSIVE??? Are you POOR???

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#29 filmography
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^just because he's on a budget doesn't mean he's poor, not everyone can throw away lots of money on a computer like you or me.

OH and the antec seems like a good idea, you dont need 500 watts to run this computer.

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Jed, did you just call $60 for 2 gigs of ram EXPENSIVE??? Are you POOR???

imrlybord7

Lol, no. It is expensive compared to $30 - $35 for one gig. I will upgrade to 2GB, but I don't need it now.

^just because he's on a budget doesn't mean he's poor, not everyone can throw away lots of money on a computer like you or me.

OH and the antec seems like a good idea, you dont need 500 watts to run this computer.

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One person in the reviews said that it can run a C2Q and a 8800GTX.

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#31 Indestructible2
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[QUOTE="filmography"]

^just because he's on a budget doesn't mean he's poor, not everyone can throw away lots of money on a computer like you or me.

OH and the antec seems like a good idea, you dont need 500 watts to run this computer.

jed-at-war

One person in the reviews said that it can run a C2Q and a 8800GTX.

If you're content with medium settings in your games,then i'm sure you could get away with 1GB RAM,but its HIGHLY recommended that you get 2GB.
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#32 jed-at-war
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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"][QUOTE="filmography"]

^just because he's on a budget doesn't mean he's poor, not everyone can throw away lots of money on a computer like you or me.

OH and the antec seems like a good idea, you dont need 500 watts to run this computer.

Indestructible2

One person in the reviews said that it can run a C2Q and a 8800GTX.

If you're content with medium settings in your games,then i'm sure you could get away with 1GB RAM,but its HIGHLY recommended that you get 2GB.

I will, just not now. I'm not using Vista either, so it probably won't affect my performance that much. I also won't be playing newer games for a while - I have a lot of catching up to do. ;)

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[QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"][QUOTE="filmography"]

^just because he's on a budget doesn't mean he's poor, not everyone can throw away lots of money on a computer like you or me.

OH and the antec seems like a good idea, you dont need 500 watts to run this computer.

jed-at-war

One person in the reviews said that it can run a C2Q and a 8800GTX.

If you're content with medium settings in your games,then i'm sure you could get away with 1GB RAM,but its HIGHLY recommended that you get 2GB.

I will, just not now. I'm not using Vista either, so it probably won't affect my performance that much. I also won't be playing newer games for a while - I have a lot of catching up to do. ;)

Hehe i have a lot of catching up to do myself,my rig is 2.0GHz Pentium 4,512MB RAM and FX 5200 :P but i'll be getting a MUCH,MUCH,MUCH better one by the end of the year.

Just curious though,what games you gotta catch up with?

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I wish ya luck with the new build, Jed. I haven't built a miro-ATX in a while, but I can't argue with the quality/price of your MOBO choice. Since you aren't overclocking, any name brand econo-DDR2 should do the job. Although, since you're building AMD and not Intel, you should probably look for a reasonably priced DDR2 800 stick...like this one...

Patriot 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $37.99

Something to consider, since it's less than 10 bucks more than the stick of DDR2 667 you listed. In dual channel, 667Mhz per stick isn't so bad, but it'll choke your data throughput in single channel...:| In fact, were I building your system, I might get two sticks of 512MB RAM, to run them in dual channel. You could always add a couple 1GB sticks later and have 3GB in dual channel.;)

A-DATA 1GB (2x512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $39.99

WINTEC AMPX 1GB (2x512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $39.99

I'm not familiar with these brands, but they seemed to get good reviews. The addition of heat spreaders was also nice. :)

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[QUOTE="jed-at-war"][QUOTE="Indestructible2"][QUOTE="jed-at-war"][QUOTE="filmography"]

^just because he's on a budget doesn't mean he's poor, not everyone can throw away lots of money on a computer like you or me.

OH and the antec seems like a good idea, you dont need 500 watts to run this computer.

Indestructible2

One person in the reviews said that it can run a C2Q and a 8800GTX.

If you're content with medium settings in your games,then i'm sure you could get away with 1GB RAM,but its HIGHLY recommended that you get 2GB.

I will, just not now. I'm not using Vista either, so it probably won't affect my performance that much. I also won't be playing newer games for a while - I have a lot of catching up to do. ;)

Hehe i have a lot of catching up to do myself,my rig is 2.0GHz Pentium 4,512MB RAM and FX 5200 :P but i'll be getting a MUCH,MUCH,MUCH better one by the end of the year.

Just curious though,what games you gotta catch up with?

Well, all I have played is some GCN and Xbox games. I want to play the KOTOR series on the pc, jedi academy, jedi outcast on the pc, empire at war, and republic commando on pc. Beyond that, I have not really looked at what's on PC.

(What did you expect - look at my name. ;))

All three of my GCNs have broke, and the last of two Xboxes is dying. I just decided that I'm going PC instead of console. If you know of any non-M games, feel free to suggest them.

I wish ya luck with the new build, Jed. I haven't built a miro-ATX in a while, but I can't argue with the quality/price of your MOBO choice. Since you aren't overclocking, any name brand econo-DDR2 should do the job. Although, since you're building AMD and not Intel, you should probably look for a reasonably priced DDR2 800 stick...like this one...

Patriot 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $37.99

Something to consider, since it's less than 10 bucks more than the stick of DDR2 667 you listed. In dual channel, 667Mhz per stick isn't so bad, but it'll choke your data throughput in single channel...:| In fact, were I building your system, I might get two sticks of 512MB RAM, to run them in dual channel. You could always add a couple 1GB sticks later and have 3GB in dual channel.;)

A-DATA 1GB (2x512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $39.99

WINTEC AMPX 1GB (2x512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $39.99

I'm not familiar with these brands, but they seemed to get good reviews. The addition of heat spreaders was also nice. :)

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Duel channel makes sense. I like your idea. I will get two duel channel 512MB sticks and upgrade with 2GB duel channel. Thanks.

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#36 Indestructible2
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Rome: Total War is not rated M,i love that game,try it out,once you get new rig of course,your current one would barely run it.

And A-DATA and WINTEC? you should NEVER cheap out on RAM,get QUALITY stuff like CORSAIR,OCZ,G.SKILL,Crucial,Mushkin and Patriot.

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#37 wooz101
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Change it to 2gb ram and a 1950 pro and u have a great PC.
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#38 jed-at-war
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Change it to 2gb ram and a 1950 pro and u have a great PC.wooz101

That would be well over $100 more.

Rome: Total War is not rated M,i love that game,try it out,once you get new rig of course,your current one would barely run it.

And A-DATA and WINTEC? you should NEVER cheap out on RAM,get QUALITY stuff like CORSAIR,OCZ,G.SKILL,Crucial,Mushkin and Patriot.

Indestructible2

That looks fun.