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#1 deactivated-60a3c754d0a16
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Sup hardware brahs,

I'm in the process of building my first water cooled right. Good times! As a matter fact it's pretty much complete. I'm in the process of leak testing and bleeding at this very moment.

Here are some specs...

  • Case: Corsair 800D
  • CPU: Intel i7 2600K
  • Mobo: ASrock Z68 Extreme 7
  • GPU's: 2x EVGA GTX580 Hydro Copper 2
  • Mem: 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600
  • PSU: Corsair AX1200
  • SDD: Crucial M4 256GB
  • HDD: 1TB WC Caviar Black

WC Components

  • Rad 1: XSPC RX360
  • Rad 2: XSPC RX240
  • Rad Fans: 5x1800RPM Gentle Typhoons
  • Pump: Koolance PMP-450
  • Resovoir: Koolance RP-452X2
  • CPU Block: HEATKILLER® CPU Rev3.0 for Socket 1155/1156
  • Tubing: Danger Den UV Black Primoflex
  • Fittings: A mix of bitpower and koolance fittings, some 45 degree bitpower rotary fittings as well.
  • Fan Controler: Lamptron FC5V2

Case mods

  • Lower HD cage removed and opening cut into the bottom of the case to accomodate a wide 240 rad.

That's about it I think. Let's hope she posts! Here is a current pic. Only the pump is powered so no lighting just yet.

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#2 morgofborg
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Very, very nice. I love those 800D's. 256gb m4, sli 580's, 16gb ram; I see you live by the motto go big or go home:P

Edit: are those going to be white or blue cathodes?

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Looks good, nice specs too. I could never allow myself to spend so much on a pc
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Love that all black look, let us know how it goes.

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Absolutely loving that all-black look. But is there any way you can hide that yellow cable? It really sticks out, lol.

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But is there any way you can hide that yellow cable? It really sticks out, lol.

ravenguard90

Thanks gang... that yellow cable is the pump's molex power connector. It's only visible because I was attaching it to a cheap-o jumped PSU to get the pump running to fill my loop. It won't be visible in the final build.

The two cathodes are currently UV and blue, but I'm thinking of changing them both to red. I can install LED's in my bay res and change the color of my lamptron fan controller as well.

Good news to report on all fronts. After three hours of leak testing with positive results I decided to power this sucker up. So I plugged her in, hit the power button and... nothing! LOL, took me 15 min to realize that I plugged the power button connector in upside down. Doh! Took me another 30 min to get the mobo to recognize my HDD, SDD and optical. But hey, everything seems good to go at this point.

I'll try to post some temps, OC values and more pics tomorrow afternoon.

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I see you live by the motto go big or go home:P

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Hells yeah. I'm buliding this rig predominately for gaming to be sure, but I also do a lot of hobbyist image and video editing. I have an amazing digital SLR, a dig vid cam, and two microscopes with photo attachments that I do a lot of work with. The work I do in Adobe Premiere and After Effects is my only justification for that amount of mem, but I'm well aware that I won't be using it 99% of the time.

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Sweet build, man. If you get a chance, it'd be great if you could post some temps. I'm interested in trying out watercooling again...

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Seriously good looking.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did all the WC parts cost together?

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He brought that sexy ---- black.....
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#11 zaku101
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It's a nice build. I just would have gone with a simple H50+coolers and left everything the way it is. It's pretty much the effects of water cooling but with no maintenance at all. Here's my silent water cooled system with an H50 cooler with no other moving fans, you can't tell the difference when its on or in sleep mode. I like your build but it's just overkill :P. I also don't understand why some people buy hard drive fans, they don't even get that hot. Also don't understand why people have fans blowing air into the case when that just causes the hot air to spread around yet still be trapped inside the case. Best to have all the fans blowing air out of your case because heat wants to escape not be wooshed around. We also all know heat rises so fans blowing air in are pointless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pCuaCDZAg

Also keep in mind its going to be much harder to resell those cards now~

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It's a nice build. I just would have gone with a simple H50+coolers and left everything the way it is. It's pretty much the effects of water cooling but with no maintenance at all. Here's my silent water cooled system with an H50 cooler with no other moving fans, you can't tell the difference when its on or in sleep mode. I like your build but it's just overkill :P. I also don't understand why some people buy hard drive fans, they don't even get that hot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pCuaCDZAg

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Not really. Most people who WC do it for three main reasons, which are temperatures, noise, and looks. The H50 does neither of them well at all (except for looks, maybe).

As for the hard drive fan, that's there because the 800D comes with one there.

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#13 zaku101
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[QUOTE="zaku101"]

It's a nice build. I just would have gone with a simple H50+coolers and left everything the way it is. It's pretty much the effects of water cooling but with no maintenance at all. Here's my silent water cooled system with an H50 cooler with no other moving fans, you can't tell the difference when its on or in sleep mode. I like your build but it's just overkill :P. I also don't understand why some people buy hard drive fans, they don't even get that hot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2pCuaCDZAg

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Not really. Most people who WC do it for three main reasons, which are temperatures, noise, and looks. The H50 does neither of them well at all (except for looks, maybe).

As for the hard drive fan, that's there because the 800D comes with one there.

Well I've been able to pull all that off with a H50~ Idles at about 40c, makes no noise since the fan doesn't turn on and to me it looks nice because you can actually hide all the wires if you want in the back but you can't hide the tubes. But yes water cooling would be quiter while gaming but it just isn't worth themaintenance.

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Thanks for all the comments, guys.

@Wargolem- Just starting OCing last night and temps are looking pretty good. At 4.4Ghz I'm idling around 29C with load temps on HyperPi and Prime 95 hitting 50C tops thus far, and averaging at 46ish. I'll post some shots and scores in a bit.

@kracken2109- I could probably figure out the exact number for you but I ordered so many individual parts from so many different places it would be a bit of a pain to tally up all the invoices. Suffice to say that it was a pretty hefty investment.

The Koolance RP-452X2 alone was about $130, the RX360 was nearly $100, and the RX240 was $70. Then of course there's the tubing, pump, fittings, the heatkiller cpu block, etc... I'm going to say the total for WC parts alone was between $400 and $450. That is of course unless you count the EVGA Hydro Coppers in which case that number increases significantly!

Obviously, this can be done a lot cheaper than the route I took but with the exception of the GPU's I considered the rest of the WC components to be a good long term investment into my PC building hobby, and now that I've built this rig I just can't see myself going back to air cooling. Loving it.

@Zaku101- Greetings Captain Buzzkill ;) Even if we disregard the performance differences between the H50 and a real WC loop, using a H50 would defeat the purpose of why I build. For me it's as much about the challenge, the fun and the aesthetics as it is about performance. Besides, at 4.4GHz my load temps are only an average of 5 degrees or so higher than your idle temps (averaging 45/46, topping at 50), my idle temps rarely top 30, and I have two GPU's on my loop as well. :|

Regarding the HD fan, as someone already mentioned it's part of the 800D case. And although you're correct that hard drives don't get all that hot any increase in temperature can impact the life of a hard drive, fan controller, or any other electronic device. So yeah, maybe not the most vital component of a case but there is a reason some people use them.

Regarding fan setup and such... umm, yes, heat rises but that's not really a factor in a tiny computer case with a bunch of fans. Perhaps this was an issue in the 1960's when computers took up entire rooms, but not so much now. heh. And you don't want all of your fans blowing air out of the case. The idea is to have air flow in a path across your components to help disperse heat. Cool air in, warm out out. Pointing all of your case fans outward won't necessarily optimize that process.

The setup in my case isn't ideal but I think it was a pretty good soltuion given my desire to have both the RX240 and RX360 mounted internally. Here's a diagram I used to map the flow (not my pic). I've read some pretty interesting perspectives on whether it's better to keep air pressure inside the case higher or lower than pressure outside. Ultimately I think it's going to depend on the case and the build.

Lastly, a point regarding loop maintenance. If you preclean your radiators and CPU blocks, use a simple coolant solutions like distilled water with silver fittings/killcoil or PT Nuke, then there's no reason one would have to perform maintenance on the loop more often that once every year or so. Can't see how that would count as too much maintenance.


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#15 zaku101
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/611614/Corsair_Obsidian_800D_02.jpg

Just some random things I see my way and you don't have to agree on.

1.Seems pointless facing the PSU down to collect dust why not face it at your graphic card to pull heat from it and ur case~

2. The fan there would best blow air out rather than in since all that air is just going to get sucked up by the 3 powerful fans up top. That or it'll make it harder for the hot air to rise up.

3. Pointless already have enough air coming into the case from all the holes no need to blow dust into your case.

Then again with a water cooled system you shouldn't even need fans.

One thing I've noticed is that if your case has the fans blowing out the amount of dust build up inside is extremely small, could clean it yearly.

Another thing is the way most cases are designed today make most CASE fans almost useless when all you want to do is keep ur CPU and GPU cool. This is usually do to the size of the case and the extra holes located all around the case, air doesn't have trouble leaving and coming in. I'd say about 70% of your case heat comes just from your GPU. Rather than worrying about case heat I'd worry about how to get the heat from your GPU and CPU out of the case rather than the airflow. Meaning having one extra powerful GPU cooler would make a larger difference than 4 extra fans in your case.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/611614/Corsair_Obsidian_800D_02.jpg

Thanks for the comments man. I appreciate the input.

Just some random things I see my way and you don't have to agree on.

1.Seems pointless facing the PSU down to collect dust why not face it at your graphic card to pull heat from it and ur case~

The 800D has a hefty dust filter built into the bottom of the case. Between that and my case not being on the floor I don't think dust will be an issue. Flipping the PSU wouldn't do anything for the GPU's because there's a partition between the main bay and the PSU bay. Even if there wasn't a partition the difference in temperature generated by moving more air around the GPU's with water blocks would be neglegible if any.

2. The fan there would best blow air out rather than in since all that air is just going to get sucked up by the 3 powerful fans up top. That or it'll make it harder for the hot air to rise up.

Remember, in a watercooling build the idea is to keep temps down by moving cool air through the radiators. Fipping the rear exhaust and making it an intake allows more cool air to pass through the top 360 which ultimately benefits the entire WC loop. This is especially important in my build because my RX240 exhausts upwards into the main chamber. So all the better for me to have that extra source of cool air. I plan to test this out though to see if I'm just full of hot air (heh, pun intended) because flipping the exhaust and checking temps makes for a pretty simple experiment.

3. Pointless already have enough air coming into the case from all the holes no need to blow dust into your case.

Again, dust isn't an issue in this instance. When I modded the bottom of the case to accomodate the RX240 I also added some magnetic 140mm dust filters. I was actually torn on this one, but ultimatly I agreed that this was probably the best fan overall fan placement for keeping all of my rads internal. Reversing the bottom fans would have the benefit of pushing less warm air into the top chamber, but I don't think it would positivly impact temps because less cool air would be moving through the 240.

Then again with a water cooled system you shouldn't even need fans.

Of course you need fans. Don't you have one on your H50? Hard to keep that radiator cool without fans. It would take a pretty massive radiator to create a fanless watercooled loop. Also, it's always nice to have a little air moving over the build components you aren't watercooling, such as the chipset in my case.

One thing I've noticed is that if your case has the fans blowing out the amount of dust build up inside is extremely small, could clean it yearly.

Yes, I can how that might be the case, but ultimately I don't see how having all fans blowing outward makes for an optimum cooling solution, especially when you're air cooling.

Another thing is the way most cases are designed today make most CASE fans almost useless when all you want to do is keep ur CPU and GPU cool. This is usually do to the size of the case and the extra holes located all around the case, air doesn't have trouble leaving and coming in. I'd say about 70% of your case heat comes just from your GPU. Rather than worrying about case heat I'd worry about how to get the heat from your GPU and CPU out of the case rather than the airflow. Meaning having one extra powerful GPU cooler would make a larger difference than 4 extra fans in your case.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/611614/Corsair_Obsidian_800D_02.jpg

Just some random things I see my way and you don't have to agree on.

1.Seems pointless facing the PSU down to collect dust why not face it at your graphic card to pull heat from it and ur case~

2. The fan there would best blow air out rather than in since all that air is just going to get sucked up by the 3 powerful fans up top. That or it'll make it harder for the hot air to rise up.

3. Pointless already have enough air coming into the case from all the holes no need to blow dust into your case.

Then again with a water cooled system you shouldn't even need fans.

One thing I've noticed is that if your case has the fans blowing out the amount of dust build up inside is extremely small, could clean it yearly.

Another thing is the way most cases are designed today make most CASE fans almost useless when all you want to do is keep ur CPU and GPU cool. This is usually do to the size of the case and the extra holes located all around the case, air doesn't have trouble leaving and coming in. I'd say about 70% of your case heat comes just from your GPU. Rather than worrying about case heat I'd worry about how to get the heat from your GPU and CPU out of the case rather than the airflow. Meaning having one extra powerful GPU cooler would make a larger difference than 4 extra fans in your case.

zaku101

From this post I can see you don't really know much about the 800D