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From the movie-like graphics in the action game "Gears of War" to the nearly photorealistic racer "MotorStorm," video games have come a long way since the bouncing blocks of "Pong."

A new breed of visually striking games promises to light up computer screens with even sharper, more lifelike graphics than ever before. But unlike the popular "Gears of War" or "MotorStorm," the games won't be debuting on Sony Corp.'s PlayStation 3 or Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360 consoles.

Instead, the PC is returning to the pinnacle of video game graphics -- thanks to some under-the-hood tweaks in Microsoft's Vista operating system.

The technology behind these improved visuals, called DirectX 10, is the result of a collaboration among video game developers, graphics card makers and Microsoft. For years, they have been working to streamline and standardize the software used by Windows-based PCs to display graphics.

The latest improvements, many believe, far surpass even the very best of what the consoles are capable of. Case in point: the upcoming PC shooter "Crysis," where players take the role of a battle-savvy soldier who has to uncover the secrets behind an asteroid that has smashed into Earth.

Beams of light glimmer through a jungle overgrown with swaying palm trees, and the thick underbrush gets more detailed with a closer look. Gaze into the distance and you can see aquamarine waves crashing on a white sand beach. Zoom in on a soldier to see an emotive face with stubble, freckles and other subtle individual details.

DX10 requires a specialized graphics card and there are only a few games today that take advantage of its capabilities.

Though relatively few consumers have yet to upgrade to Vista, dozens of game makers who have been using DX10 believe the benefits of the technology will quickly lure hardcore gamers willing to spend money on the best systems, whatever the cost.

Game players who frequent the Warezabouts LAN Center in Forney, Texas, often ask owner JJ Tarno about Vista and DX10, but most seem to be waiting for more compatible games to come out before they make the switch from Windows XP.

Tarno, 31, said he's looking forward to games like "Crysis" and has been impressed with the video clips he's already seen.

"If you want to play next-gen games you have to have a next-gen operating system," he said. "A game like 'Crysis' comes out and you just say, `How much is that game?' About $1,500 with new video card, RAM and processor."

Pushing the graphics envelope

Many game developers are excited at the technology's prospects.

"Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures," due in October, will put players into a persistent online fantasy world of barbarians and mythical monsters.

"What we tried to achieve with the graphics is something that we called 'magical realism,"' said Jorgen Tharaldsen, product director for Funcom, which is developing the game in Oslo, Norway. "With DX10 we can just add a lot more bells and whistles. We can start pushing graphics to the stage where it almost looks realistic."

Bill Roper, whose Flagship Studios is developing the action adventure game "Hellgate: London," said he wasn't concerned that not everyone has Vista or a DX10-capable graphics card yet.

"As with every new technology, the hardcore lead the way and the masses catch up," he said. "Not everyone that has an iPod or a DVD player went out and bought theirs on day one. As with previous operating system and hardware advances, the more products that support it and can show the tangible benefits of upgrading, the more widespread the adoption."

The DirectX standard dates back to the mid-1990s when upgrading add-on video cards on home computers was still a hobbyist's pursuit, something hardcore gamers did to extract the most performance from 3-D shooters like "Quake" or "Unreal."

Subsequent versions have added new features to speed up graphics and give game programmers more tools to simulate the movement and appearance of liquids and other complex objects.

As the demands from game makers (and players) have grown increasingly complex, so too have the capabilities of DirectX. The software lets programmers tell the 3-D computer chips in graphics cards whether to simulate a wisp of smoke or a mirror's reflection.

DX10 not only makes games look better, it also promises to improve performance by simplifying how the graphics cards process video information and display it on the screen.

"It means the realism will take a dramatic jump," says Roy Taylor, vice president of content for Nvidia Corp., which makes 3-D video chips for computers. "It's going to look dramatically more real."

Those effects have taken on a cinematic quality with DX10.

"We can create a world that looks and feels more real and is more responsive," Roper said. "We have volumetric fluid smoke that responds to objects that pass through it. We have soft shadows that get softer with distance from the caster."

Of the few DX10 games currently available, including Microsoft's own "Flight Simulator X," differences between DX10 and its predecessor, DX9, are dramatic, with water and atmospheric effects that look more like an actual video recording than a computer approximation of reality.

Market expected to grow

Still, the slew of DX10-enabled games expected to be released by the Christmas holiday will be compatible with older versions of DirectX. They just won't look as good on DX9 PCs.

Of the 76 million video chips expected to be sold by the end of 2007, only about 16 million will be DX10 compatible, according to Dean McCarron, principle analyst at Mercury Research. Yet DX10 chips should account for about half of $2.2 billion graphics chip market this year, added McCarron, whose figures don't reflect the massive integrated graphics chip market.

While he expects the overall market to remain flat for the next five years, he said DX10 chips will grow to account for about $2 billion of the $2.2 billion industry by 2011.

For now, only Nvidia offers graphics cards that support DX10. Prices range from $600 for a high-end model -- as much as a new PS3 console -- to less than $100 for a less powerful card.

Rival ATI Technologies Inc., which was acquired by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. for $5.6 billion last year, expects to launch its DX10-capable cards sometime in the second quarter.

Chris Donahue, group manager of Microsoft's Games for Windows unit, admits that DX10 is an example of the PC surpassing the consoles. The company's own Xbox 360, for example, uses a custom version of the older DX9 standard that can't be upgraded.

"Consoles are a snapshot of where the PC is at the time they were made," he said. "The consoles are a step that stays flat for five years. The PC is basically a 45 degree angle."

Still, the special effects that take a room of computers weeks to render for movies like "The Lord of the Rings" remains out of the reach of DX10, said Richard Huddy, a member of AMD's European developer relations team.

But PC graphics technology is closing in fast.

"The human brain is one of the most fussy systems when it comes to reality," he said. "When it comes to pure graphics rendering we certainly haven't cracked the problem to give a better, more convincing reality. We think we have the next 10 years before we catch up with reality."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/23/gamers.vista.ap/index.html

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The article was pretty much spot on on its projections of when dx10 and Vista will hit the masses.  I'm surprised they didn't talk about performance increase that dx10 offers.  They mostly talked about the graphical advantages which I think are a few years off before we see the full potential of those.
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For someone who hasn't been keeping up with graphics cards, when do the first DX10 cards come out and how much will they cost (approximately) ? And what will the performance be like compared to the best DX9 cards at that time?
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Nvidia already has a line of high end and midrange dx10 cards out ranging i think from 200-600$.  The performance on the high end in ones in dx9 mode are better than just about all of the dx9 only cards.  The midrange ones don't perform as well but they offer dx10 capabilities. 
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C'mon man, you really expect me to read all that?
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C'mon man, you really expect me to read all that?monco59

It's not even a full sheet of paper :roll:

Great article coming from an odd source :) 

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For someone who hasn't been keeping up with graphics cards, when do the first DX10 cards come out and how much will they cost (approximately) ? And what will the performance be like compared to the best DX9 cards at that time?F1_2004

 http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2114753,00.asp

GeForce 8600 GTS at prices ranging from roughly $200-230.

Just beneath that is the GeForce 8600 GT in the $150-170 range.

Bringing up the low end is the GeForce 8500 GT in the $90-130 bracket.

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interesting article, as said before- from an odd source :)

 

Im waiting for ATi to launch their cards, which may push down prices a bit and will give some more choice. 

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Nice . but i still love windows xp :)
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Good read, there's been a lot of articles about PC Gaming of of late, especially in mainstream news. I'll be building a new rig next winter, as for now, DX9 is making me plenty happy.
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HL2, Oblivion, then Crysis will be the next stir for

PC gamers to upgrade....

the market will hopefully be even more favorable to upgrade then

 

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I like this article:

Microsoft's plan to phase out OEM shipments of Windows XP, the predecessor to the new Windows Vista platform, is not sitting well with some observers, based on Internet-driven feedback.

According to a Microsoft Life-Cycle Policy Web page, Microsoft plans to discontinue shipments of Windows XP to OEMs on January 31, 2008. The page also said retail licenses will be discontinued at that time. Editions affected include the Professional, Tablet PC, Professional x64, Home, and Media Center editions of XP.

Chatters on Silicon Valley.com cited issues with the suitability of Vista on existing machines and said they might just go to Linux instead.

"If Microsoft forces us to make a choice of Vista or Linux, they might just be unpleasantly surprised as to the choice many of us will make," one chatter wrote. "I am telling anyone who has not yet upgraded from Win 9x to XP that they had better do it right away because Vista will never run on their Win 98-era machine. If they don't upgrade to XP right away, they will have to switch to Linux. The only alternative to that is to throw away their computer and buy a brand new one!"

Another chatter said it was "time for enterprises to stock up on shrink-wrapped copies of XP Pro."

A chatter on the Direct2Dell site expressed similar reservations.

"I don't care how much you've tested your systems with Vista, it simply will not be enough," the chatter said "In the corporate world, there are countless applications that are going to fail miserably with Vista in offices that are standardized on XP Pro."

Dell on Direct2Dell said it plans to continue offering XP for now. "Dell recognizes the needs of small business customers and understands that more time is needed to transition to a new operating system. The plan is to continue offering Windows XP on select Dimension and Inspiron systems until later this summer," the company said.

In a statement, Microsoft acknowledged its Vista emphasis.

"Windows Vista is safer, easier to use, better connected, and more entertaining that any operating system we've ever released, and we're encouraged by the positive customer response we've seen to date," the company said in a statement.

"It's standard practice to allow OEMs, retailers, and system builders to continue offering the previous version of Windows for a certain period of time after a new version is released, and this information as it applies to Windows XP has been available to our partners and to the public," since last year, the company said.

Microsoft has reported that more than 20 million copies of Vista shipped from January 30 to February 28, the first month of general availability. A Harris survey of home-based users in March, however, found that only 12 percent of the 2,223 respondents planned to upgrade.

There are pluses and minuses to upgrading, according to analyst Michael Cherry, of Directions on Microsoft. Security features, such as BitLocker Drive Encryption , are driving upgrades, he said. However, hardware issues have been a problem, Cherry said.

"The major factor I think that's putting a damper on it is people being uncomfortable with what the hardware requirements are," said Cherry. Questions have arisen about configuration matters such as the circuitry of graphics cards, he said. Lawsuits have even arisen about what it means to be Vista-capable, Cherry added.

Although Cherry said he did not have specific estimates on Vista shipments, he said Vista appears to have not affected PC sales rates, either upward or downward.

Vista shipments have been about as expected, said analyst Brett Waldman of IDC, who also acknowledged equipment issues with the new platform. Shipment levels so far are similar to what XP presented, he said.

To run Vista's Aero interfaces requires an advanced graphics card, Waldman said. A lot of low-end PCs do not have that, he said. Otherwise, upgrading a PC to 1GB of memory should make it Vista-capable, said Waldman.

Microsoft's decision to cancel XP shipments was "what we expect," Waldman said. Business customers, however, are putting Vista upgrades on hold.

"They're waiting 12 to 18 months to evaluate it," said Waldman.

The upcoming Windows Server Longhorn platform, meanwhile, is looking good, Cherry said. "It's very stable," he said.

 

For more IT analysis and commentary on emerging technologies, visit InfoWorld.com. Story copyright © 2007 InfoWorld Media Group. All rights reserved.

 

Link to article: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,130710-page,1/article.html

 

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Here are some thoughts from some non-PC gamers: Yanno business people? Yanno the type pf people who actually USE the OS as a tool and not some console..

our article ["The Right Operating System for You," Part 2 of "Windows Tips for Everyone," April] is spot-on.

To replace my old machine that was running XP, I bought a new HP Slimline with Vista. It took a quite a bit of time to set it up and get the software working. Even with the latest processor and 1GB of memory, the PC was no faster than the five-year-old system I was replacing--and Vista is basically a painted-over XP with some bolted-on upgrades.

I returned the PC and purchased an iMac. It was a snap to set up, though it still took a little time to get used to. But I now have a solid, fast machine that starts (and shuts down) in under 60 seconds.

Len Carmichael, Prospect Heights, Illinois

Recently, rather than buy a new laptop with enough hardware to run Windows Vista, I picked up a gently used one, wiped the hard drive, and installed the Ubuntu distribution of Linux. The Ubuntu folks include Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice as part of the download, and the installation was easier than a comparable Windows one. The free forum support is excellent, too.

Charles Etheridge, Norfolk, Virginia

Thinking about all the Vista naysayers and boo-hooers out there who have criticized Microsoft's new OS, I cannot help but be reminded of an old Eagles tune, "Get Over It." These people probably never got the shiny red bicycle they wanted for Christmas. For the rest of us, however, Vista is just plain cool.

Buy the installation disc from a local retailer instead of purchasing the OS online (when I tried to do that, I thought I had ruined a perfectly good PC), be sure your computer has adequate resources, follow the simple installation guides--and then proceed to have a blast.

Guy Dorman, Lancaster, California

 

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[QUOTE="monco59"]C'mon man, you really expect me to read all that?Krall

It's not even a full sheet of paper :roll:

Great article coming from an odd source :)

Hey, if something can't be summed up into one paragraph, it ain't worth reading. Especially here at GS. 

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Make Linux more DirectX and gaming friendly and most gamers will jump ship from windows faster then they can blink.

 

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Make Linux more DirectX and gaming friendly and most gamers will jump ship from windows faster then they can blink.

gothzane

 Unfortunately, openGL has been put aside by many developers, with the exception of a few( id is still one), and Direct X has been the adopted interface of choice. As an open source supporter, DX is just something we are going to have to deal with as gamers. It's a shame too, because opengl can do pretty much everything dx can plus some. Granted, there are appz like Cedega and Wine  for Linux, but the performance just doesn's add up. Although, games like Darwinia and many RTS's are very enjoyable, even through emulation. Unfortunatley, without opengl as a mainstream standard, I don't see how a Linux Distro can compete with proprietary commercial standards like MS's DX. 

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I kinda liked this " Consoles are a snapshot of where the PC is at the time they were made," he said. "The consoles are a step that stays flat for five years. The PC is basically a 45 degree angle."

 

It's a very logical explanation of the system wars and why fanboys exist.

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I kinda liked this " Consoles are a snapshot of where the PC is at the time they were made," he said. "The consoles are a step that stays flat for five years. The PC is basically a 45 degree angle."

 

It's a very logical explanation of the system wars and why fanboys exist.

Arcadius

Still, I don't recommend you go to SW with that, there are some crazy muthas in there and they will come up with all sorts of crazy BS. You have been warned my friend... 

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I dunno about the truth in the OP article, though.. they mentioned Flight Simulator X as one of the 'few DX10 games available,' and AFAIK the DX10 support is slated to come out in a patch that's not out until after they make the service pack for it? They also mention the difference in graphics in the game.. to my knowledge, the DX9/DX10 comparison was an artists' concept of what the difference would look like. I dunno, if the DX10 patch was out, I thought I'd have heard at least some noise about it on one of these forums. They also mentioned DX10 cards being available down into the 'less than $100' range. Are the 8500's that cheap, or were they referring to as-yet-unreleased cards again?
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[QUOTE="Arcadius"]

I kinda liked this " Consoles are a snapshot of where the PC is at the time they were made," he said. "The consoles are a step that stays flat for five years. The PC is basically a 45 degree angle."

 

It's a very logical explanation of the system wars and why fanboys exist.

monco59

Still, I don't recommend you go to SW with that, there are some crazy muthas in there and they will come up with all sorts of crazy BS. You have been warned my friend... 

 

:lol: I ain't never going back to the SW forums man, I have been converted! Check this blog I made: http://www.gamespot.com/users/Arcadius/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-24670345

I still hate consoles though, even if the wife is pushing for a Wii.

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[QUOTE="monco59"][QUOTE="Arcadius"]

I kinda liked this " Consoles are a snapshot of where the PC is at the time they were made," he said. "The consoles are a step that stays flat for five years. The PC is basically a 45 degree angle."

 

It's a very logical explanation of the system wars and why fanboys exist.

Arcadius

Still, I don't recommend you go to SW with that, there are some crazy muthas in there and they will come up with all sorts of crazy BS. You have been warned my friend...

 

:lol: I ain't never going back to the SW forums man, I have been converted! Check this blog I made: http://www.gamespot.com/users/Arcadius/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-24670345

I still hate consoles though, even if the wife is pushing for a Wii.

 

Hehe...I know, SW is just plain pathetic, so many PC haters on there that were nothing but sperm when I was tearing up Doom and Wolf3d...lol...Now, these kids act like fascist pigs for their favority console company all the while trying to tell me how much the PC sucks..this and that. It's just plain ridiculous.

Anyway, my Wife was begging me to get a 360 a few months ago, so ended up getting one, but to be honest, there just isn't much I like to play on it besides GH2 and Gears( which has been collecting dust for some time now).  She likes UNO, and that's about it, great I say, cost me 500 bills for UNO.....I'm thinking of selling that thing on ebay, but I don't want to get her panties all up in a  bunch.

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This 45 degree angle of PC gaming is starting to really hurt, i just upgraded my old 6600 to a 7950GX2 a couple of months back and now DX10 is going to render my 800$ card useless, i think im going to break down and cry now.....
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Not a bad article but it's title is misleading. It's less game makers excited about Windows Vista than it is video card makers and Microsoft rubbing their hands together at the thought of everyone having to upgrade.

Of course I don't doubt many game makers are excited about it. It allows them to churn out more multiplatform games and rake in easier profits.

I'd like to see an article discussing the attitude of PC gamers towards Vista in regards to their concerns over the quality of future titles, rather than the dislike of being forced to participate in Microsoft's monopoly.

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[QUOTE="Arcadius"][QUOTE="monco59"][QUOTE="Arcadius"]

I kinda liked this " Consoles are a snapshot of where the PC is at the time they were made," he said. "The consoles are a step that stays flat for five years. The PC is basically a 45 degree angle."

 

It's a very logical explanation of the system wars and why fanboys exist.

mismajor99

Still, I don't recommend you go to SW with that, there are some crazy muthas in there and they will come up with all sorts of crazy BS. You have been warned my friend...

 

:lol: I ain't never going back to the SW forums man, I have been converted! Check this blog I made: http://www.gamespot.com/users/Arcadius/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=m-100-24670345

I still hate consoles though, even if the wife is pushing for a Wii.

 

Hehe...I know, SW is just plain pathetic, so many PC haters on there that were nothing but sperm when I was tearing up Doom and Wolf3d...lol...Now, these kids act like fascist pigs for their favority console company all the while trying to tell me how much the PC sucks..this and that. It's just plain ridiculous.

Anyway, my Wife was begging me to get a 360 a few months ago, so ended up getting one, but to be honest, there just isn't much I like to play on it besides GH2 and Gears( which has been collecting dust for some time now).  She likes UNO, and that's about it, great I say, cost me 500 bills for UNO.....I'm thinking of selling that thing on ebay, but I don't want to get her panties all up in a  bunch.

 

Ahh I know what you mean, though my consolish days haunt me everytime I go near a Wii at a Best BUy. :lol: