Game Remakes

If a company updated an old game by updating graphics, fixing bugs, and didn't mess with the gameplay of the game would you buy it?

For example if a company took Red Alert 2 and updated the graphics, and effects to make it more modern and compatible with modern operating systems. Would you buy it, and how much would you be willing to pay for it?

Q: Why not just do a sequal or competely new game?

A: Becasue the gameplay, experience, and story changes. The feel of the game, and the strategies used often change with new games. An example of this it Battlefield 1942 is different than Battlefield 2, and even more different than Battlefield Bad Company. I would go with don't fix what isn't broken.

I can think of many games they can do this with that I would purchase.

Battlefield 1942

Red Alert

Red Alert 2

Morowind

Age of Empires 1 and 2

Counter Strike

If I don't stop the list will get too big, but you get the idea. Bottom line, would it be worth it for a company to persue this?

Technically, you have battlefield 1943 coming out, reliving the 1942 franchise sort of.

Red Alert and Red Alert 2 are succeeded by Red Alert 3, but graphics wise, would be nice for a remake.

I sitll think oblivion 4 is great, but it would be nice having a morrowind mod for it.

Age of empires 1 and 2 most definitely. Nobody has made a decent strategy game of the classical age since it came out and especially the middle ages (i odn't count the total war series under the same category)

and there is CS:S :P

They already remade counter-strike. maybe,but prob will

id like to see someone revive warhammer 40k: fire warrior as that was a HUGE dissappointment, id also pay good money for the following games:

dungeons & dragons II: shadows over mystyra

medival

revolution X

carmaggeddon

Nox

warhammer 40k: space hulk

megaman

metroid 2: the return of samus aran

f-zero

Technically, you have battlefield 1943 coming out, reliving the 1942 franchise sort of.

Red Alert and Red Alert 2 are succeeded by Red Alert 3, but graphics wise, would be nice for a remake.

I sitll think oblivion 4 is great, but it would be nice having a morrowind mod for it.

Age of empires 1 and 2 most definitely. Nobody has made a decent strategy game of the classical age since it came out and especially the middle ages (i odn't count the total war series under the same category)

and there is CS:S :P

k0r3aN_pR1d3

Battlefield 1943 is more like Bad Company than 1942, and as far as I know it only has one level.

Red Alert 3 doesn't feel at all like Red Alert 1 or 2 to me. It feels competely different.

I like oblivion a lot, but I like Morowind too. The biggest hold back for me are the terrible graphics and effects. It was made a long time ago, so it is understandable that the graphics are the way they are, but now days not being able to see more than 20 feet in front of you is annoying. The animations can be updated to look more realistic, but the overall gameplay should remain the same.

If I were to remake Age of Epires 1 and 2, I would make the graphics simular to AOE3, but I would keep the grid snap system. All I would do is replace models and textures.

The point is to make a modern version of the same exact game.

Never, games like morrowind and red alert are classics and you never change a classic. They did that for half life source and that was just wack. Besides, why change the graphics for games like those, they're fine the way they are.. that's why we have next gen games for pretty pictures.

The whole point is I don't want to change the games. I don't want to fix what isn't broken. Look at the GTA series. From GTA 3 to Vice City they added many new features, and for the most part the went over well. When San Andreas came out they added even more things to the game, but people thought they went overboard. It became more like a RPG simulator mix. GTA IV dissapointed many people becasue they took out too much stuff.

The point of updating these games, is because they are classics. None of the gameplay aspect should be touched. They are still the same games. Who says the art style needs to change. These games just need to be updated before they are lost. I can't play a lot of games anymore because of incompatibilites with newer hardware or software.

Look at Xbox Live Arcade. Many games on there are remakes of old arcade games. They still are the same game, but they were remade to appeal to modern systems. The street Fighter graphics were remade to allow HDTV support for instance, but the game is still the same as it was before.

They did that for half life source and that was just wack.-Origin-

Well, Half-life Source was just Valve proving that it's easy to port a Half-life game/mod over to the Source engine. And on that note, Black Mesa is looking pretty fine. Though, I suppose I can see your point; some games are just good as classics, and should stay that way. Lets not forget that nostalgia makes us think these games were the best ever. The experiment I always think to myself is: If you could go back in-time, stop yourself from playing that particular game, then wait until the current age and play it now, would you think it was any good? Even if the graphics were up to date, it'd still seem a little... old, and you wouldn't enjoy it half as much as you did back in the day.

Though, there are some games I think should be remade. Empire Earth would be my first and best contender. Why don't these companies realise that if they re-did Empire Earth, updated the graphics and added bits here and there, gave it a lot of polish, they'd have a great game on their hands? Stop making sequels and go back to what made the game brilliant in the first place!

Oh yeah, it's not Oblivion 4; it's The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion!

Edit: Oh yeah, also Syndicate and Syndicate Wars! And all the Bullfrog games(Dungeon Keeper, etc)!

The whole point is I don't want to change the games. I don't want to fix what isn't broken. Look at the GTA series. From GTA 3 to Vice City they added many new features, and for the most part the went over well. When San Andreas came out they added even more things to the game, but people thought they went overboard. It became more like a RPG simulator mix. GTA IV dissapointed many people becasue they took out too much stuff.

The point of updating these games, is because they are classics. None of the gameplay aspect should be touched. They are still the same games. Who says the art style needs to change. These games just need to be updated before they are lost. I can't play a lot of games anymore because of incompatibilites with newer hardware or software.

Look at Xbox Live Arcade. Many games on there are remakes of old arcade games. They still are the same game, but they were remade to appeal to modern systems. The street Fighter graphics were remade to allow HDTV support for instance, but the game is still the same as it was before.

King-Bart

I understand that but there's a difference between xbla games being redone with 3d graphics and games like morrowind and red alert.. besides Morrowind has Oblivion.. and Red Alert has re3. But Morrowind is a masterpiece, why would anyone want to even touch it, it's perfect! GOTY ftw :P

[QUOTE="-Origin-"]

They did that for half life source and that was just wack.Dnomatron

Well, Half-life Source was just Valve proving that it's easy to port a Half-life game/mod over to the Source engine. And on that note, Black Mesa is looking pretty fine. Though, I suppose I can see your point; some games are just good as classics, and should stay that way. Lets not forget that nostalgia makes us think these games were the best ever. The experiment I always think to myself is: If you could go back in-time, stop yourself from playing that particular game, then wait until the current age and play it now, would you think it was any good? Even if the graphics were up to date, it'd still seem a little... old, and you wouldn't enjoy it half as much as you did back in the day.

Though, there are some games I think should be remade. Empire Earth would be my first and best contender. Why don't these companies realise that if they re-did Empire Earth, updated the graphics and added bits here and there, gave it a lot of polish, they'd have a great game on their hands? Stop making sequels and go back to what made the game brilliant in the first place!

Oh yeah, it's not Oblivion 4; it's The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion!

Edit: Oh yeah, also Syndicate and Syndicate Wars! And all the Bullfrog games(Dungeon Keeper, etc)!

You do make a good point about whether or not I would like the updated game now or not if I hadn't played it before. I am sure that I would like to make all sorts of tweaks to the games to make them more appealing to me, but I don't know. I have been poisoned with the knowledge of the original games, so I don't think I can accurately answer it. However if I saw a game that I had never played before, that said on the box (or equivalent) "Remake of award winning game" or something like that, I would be inclined to give it a try. In all truth, this would mostly appeal to the people that have played the original games.

On a side note I don't think of these as $60 games, but something like $20-$30 becasue they have already been developed, and I am only paying for updated graphics and minor tweaks to be compatible with newer systems. The price difference might appeal to people that don't have the money for a new next-gen game, but it is a full game with decent graphics. Perhaps it could be something like the Platinum Hits series.

[QUOTE="King-Bart"]

The whole point is I don't want to change the games. I don't want to fix what isn't broken. Look at the GTA series. From GTA 3 to Vice City they added many new features, and for the most part the went over well. When San Andreas came out they added even more things to the game, but people thought they went overboard. It became more like a RPG simulator mix. GTA IV dissapointed many people becasue they took out too much stuff.

The point of updating these games, is because they are classics. None of the gameplay aspect should be touched. They are still the same games. Who says the art style needs to change. These games just need to be updated before they are lost. I can't play a lot of games anymore because of incompatibilites with newer hardware or software.

Look at Xbox Live Arcade. Many games on there are remakes of old arcade games. They still are the same game, but they were remade to appeal to modern systems. The street Fighter graphics were remade to allow HDTV support for instance, but the game is still the same as it was before.

-Origin-

I understand that but there's a difference between xbla games being redone with 3d graphics and games like morrowind and red alert.. besides Morrowind has Oblivion.. and Red Alert has re3. But Morrowind is a masterpiece, why would anyone want to even touch it, it's perfect! GOTY ftw :P

I am not understanding your argument or something. What is wrong about updating Morwind and Red Alert? Here is What I would do with each if I was in charge of updating them.

Morowind:

Replace models with higher poly models and higher resolution texture that represent the original textures.

Update the game engine to handle the new graphics plus add a Draw distance option for the user. You can keep the fog if you want, or you can have it like Oblivion where you can see the majority of the map at one time weather permitting. The whole reason for the fog was because of the technology barrier at the time.

Redue many animations, because the models have changed.

I wouldn't change anything else. Thus making it the same game as before.

Red Alert:

I would do the same kind of thing with the models and textures, but I would focus more on particle based effects for explosions.

The next biggest change is ensuring that the game is supported by new operating systems, new hardware, and high screen resolutions.

NOTHING ELSE WOULD CHANGE!

[QUOTE="Dnomatron"]

[QUOTE="-Origin-"]

They did that for half life source and that was just wack.King-Bart

Well, Half-life Source was just Valve proving that it's easy to port a Half-life game/mod over to the Source engine. And on that note, Black Mesa is looking pretty fine. Though, I suppose I can see your point; some games are just good as classics, and should stay that way. Lets not forget that nostalgia makes us think these games were the best ever. The experiment I always think to myself is: If you could go back in-time, stop yourself from playing that particular game, then wait until the current age and play it now, would you think it was any good? Even if the graphics were up to date, it'd still seem a little... old, and you wouldn't enjoy it half as much as you did back in the day.

Though, there are some games I think should be remade. Empire Earth would be my first and best contender. Why don't these companies realise that if they re-did Empire Earth, updated the graphics and added bits here and there, gave it a lot of polish, they'd have a great game on their hands? Stop making sequels and go back to what made the game brilliant in the first place!

Oh yeah, it's not Oblivion 4; it's The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion!

Edit: Oh yeah, also Syndicate and Syndicate Wars! And all the Bullfrog games(Dungeon Keeper, etc)!

You do make a good point about whether or not I would like the updated game now or not if I hadn't played it before. I am sure that I would like to make all sorts of tweaks to the games to make them more appealing to me, but I don't know. I have been poisoned with the knowledge of the original games, so I don't think I can accurately answer it. However if I saw a game that I had never played before, that said on the box (or equivalent) "Remake of award winning game" or something like that, I would be inclined to give it a try. In all truth, this would mostly appeal to the people that have played the original games.

On a side note I don't think of these as $60 games, but something like $20-$30 becasue they have already been developed, and I am only paying for updated graphics and minor tweaks to be compatible with newer systems. The price difference might appeal to people that don't have the money for a new next-gen game, but it is a full game with decent graphics. Perhaps it could be something like the Platinum Hits series.

But in reality, how many of these kinds of games are really out there? dev's don't really have or take the time to re master a game.. they mostly spend their money making new games with nex gen graphics than revise a classic.

[QUOTE="King-Bart"]

[QUOTE="Dnomatron"]

Well, Half-life Source was just Valve proving that it's easy to port a Half-life game/mod over to the Source engine. And on that note, Black Mesa is looking pretty fine. Though, I suppose I can see your point; some games are just good as classics, and should stay that way. Lets not forget that nostalgia makes us think these games were the best ever. The experiment I always think to myself is: If you could go back in-time, stop yourself from playing that particular game, then wait until the current age and play it now, would you think it was any good? Even if the graphics were up to date, it'd still seem a little... old, and you wouldn't enjoy it half as much as you did back in the day.

Though, there are some games I think should be remade. Empire Earth would be my first and best contender. Why don't these companies realise that if they re-did Empire Earth, updated the graphics and added bits here and there, gave it a lot of polish, they'd have a great game on their hands? Stop making sequels and go back to what made the game brilliant in the first place!

Oh yeah, it's not Oblivion 4; it's The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion!

Edit: Oh yeah, also Syndicate and Syndicate Wars! And all the Bullfrog games(Dungeon Keeper, etc)!

-Origin-

You do make a good point about whether or not I would like the updated game now or not if I hadn't played it before. I am sure that I would like to make all sorts of tweaks to the games to make them more appealing to me, but I don't know. I have been poisoned with the knowledge of the original games, so I don't think I can accurately answer it. However if I saw a game that I had never played before, that said on the box (or equivalent) "Remake of award winning game" or something like that, I would be inclined to give it a try. In all truth, this would mostly appeal to the people that have played the original games.

On a side note I don't think of these as $60 games, but something like $20-$30 because they have already been developed, and I am only paying for updated graphics and minor tweaks to be compatible with newer systems. The price difference might appeal to people that don't have the money for a new next-gen game, but it is a full game with decent graphics. Perhaps it could be something like the Platinum Hits series.

But in reality, how many of these kinds of games are really out there? dev's don't really have or take the time to re master a game.. they mostly spend their money making new games with nex gen graphics than revise a classic.

My original post was to see if there would be any demand for a company or the original developers to do do this. This kind of stuff has been left to modding, but that takes incredibly long, and doesn't work for everyone. If a professional company took over, then work would be on a schedule, and hopefully be left to a full size quality team of employees.

Back to square one. Realistically is there demand?

Technically, you have battlefield 1943 coming out, reliving the 1942 franchise sort of)

and there is CS:S :P

k0r3aN_pR1d3

Back to square one. Realistically is there demand?King-Bart

Hmmmm... it's difficult to say whether there is any demand without a really big poll, but that'd have to be for each individual game. And I think a lot of the problem is that the bigger companies buy the rights to these games off the smaller companies, and then promise to make sequels. And so the little developer that comes along wanting to make a Syndicate re-make is stuck, because he simply can't afford the rights to the game off of EA.

Personally, I'd definitely buy some re-made games. Maybe not Morrowind, (I prefer Oblivion, modded out of it's eyes) but I think I would buy the classic C&C and Red Alert 2, and almost definitely Battlefield 1942. Some games would, of-course, come under question and there would only be a small demand for them. But for the bigger titles that really hit it (such as Fallout, Deus Ex etc), I would think that a lot of demand would be made and, if sold at around an expansion pack price, lots of games would be sold. Heck, some people might even want to see the original after playing the re-make and that'd just make even more revenue.

I can't see it happening, though. As I said, if a developer came along and decided he wanted to do this, he'd have to be a millionaire to begin with. And then the companies might not even sell the names to them. I guess they could come into some sort of deal, but as long as there is still room for sequels, I don't see it happening.

Realistically speaking, it is actually a good idea. They only have to improve the engine, the models and textures etc, fix bugs and add one or two things, then sell it at an expansion pack price and they've got a good amount of money coming in for a game that was made years ago. Maybe one day in the future, but unfortunately, awesome graphics seems to sell these days, and an old game looking modern just won't beat a new game looking ahead of it's time.

It's a real shame, too. Games these days have to be dumbed down for the average man, and I for one would love to go back to the days of "classics", only with updated graphics.

How did the Tomb Raider remake sell? That could be a good indicator. Personally, I'd love to play Red Alert 2, Age of Empires 1 and 2, NFS 2,3 and 4 in the modern systems will updated graphics. DeadManRollin

I don't know how the Tomb Raider remake sold, but ask yourself is Tomb Raider really that high demand of a game, even when it first came out?

[QUOTE="King-Bart"]

Back to square one. Realistically is there demand?Dnomatron

Hmmmm... it's difficult to say whether there is any demand without a really big poll, but that'd have to be for each individual game. And I think a lot of the problem is that the bigger companies buy the rights to these games off the smaller companies, and then promise to make sequels. And so the little developer that comes along wanting to make a Syndicate re-make is stuck, because he simply can't afford the rights to the game off of EA.

Personally, I'd definitely buy some re-made games. Maybe not Morrowind, (I prefer Oblivion, modded out of it's eyes) but I think I would buy the classic C&C and Red Alert 2, and almost definitely Battlefield 1942. Some games would, of-course, come under question and there would only be a small demand for them. But for the bigger titles that really hit it (such as Fallout, Deus Ex etc), I would think that a lot of demand would be made and, if sold at around an expansion pack price, lots of games would be sold. Heck, some people might even want to see the original after playing the re-make and that'd just make even more revenue.

I can't see it happening, though. As I said, if a developer came along and decided he wanted to do this, he'd have to be a millionaire to begin with. And then the companies might not even sell the names to them. I guess they could come into some sort of deal, but as long as there is still room for sequels, I don't see it happening.

Realistically speaking, it is actually a good idea. They only have to improve the engine, the models and textures etc, fix bugs and add one or two things, then sell it at an expansion pack price and they've got a good amount of money coming in for a game that was made years ago. Maybe one day in the future, but unfortunately, awesome graphics seems to sell these days, and an old game looking modern just won't beat a new game looking ahead of it's time.

It's a real shame, too. Games these days have to be dumbed down for the average man, and I for one would love to go back to the days of "classics", only with updated graphics.

Who knows, maybe a large existing company (can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth) like EA can start a division that focuses on this to make some side money. It is fairly low budget because for the most part, the game is already developed. Not to mention EA already has so many game royalties.

[QUOTE="DeadManRollin"]How did the Tomb Raider remake sell? That could be a good indicator. Personally, I'd love to play Red Alert 2, Age of Empires 1 and 2, NFS 2,3 and 4 in the modern systems will updated graphics. King-Bart

I don't know how the Tomb Raider remake sold, but ask yourself is Tomb Raider really that high demand of a game, even when it first came out?

If a company updated an old game by updating graphics, fixing bugs, and didn't mess with the gameplay of the game would you buy it?

King-Bart