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#1 The__MCP
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I'm slowly trying to add my game collection in my profile and I'm on PC games at the moment.

Boy, looking through GameSpot's history, there are some definite head scratchers.  I don't know who ran this site back in the day but it has obviously gotten much better.

Can you believe that.....

...... legendary first-person shooters such as Duke Nuke Em, Rainbow Six and Star Wars Dark Forces II (the first Jedi Knight) all failed to get above a 9.0?  Some of those scored as low as 8.0. These were all highly popular games back in the day and all 3 of them established new conceps in shooters and spawned several clones. I thought GameSpot was tougher than most big websites, but apparently they used to be a lot tougher on their reviews.

....... for as much time as people usually spend on MMORPGs, there are only 2 titles that ever scored above 9.0?  (World of Warcraft and Dark Ages of Camelot)  At a low 4.9, is Ultima Online the most commercially successful but lowest rated game in GameSpot's history?  I played that game way back in the day and I was blown away by it.  Other MMORPGs since have naturally perfected many elements of the genre since UO was the first one, but I find it hard to believe that this game that was so successful and addictive that EA cancelled an updated sequel only managed a 4.9? :o

....... that American McGee's Alice only got 7.3?  This must be because PC gamers aren't used to platformers. I'll admit it wasn't anywhere near the gameplay of Prince of Persia Sands of Time, but that was one of the oddest and visually beautiful games I've ever played. 

........ Battlefield 1942's expansion scored higher than Battlefield 1942 itself. Huh?  Just a few more maps and gameplay modes added, but the core game is what I would still rate the highest.

Agree with the reviews?  Disagree?  Anything odd you have noticed going through the game collection?

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#2 Aspyred
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I don't want to sound like an apologist and leave without giving you any definitive answers, but GameSpot has changed hands in terms of their staff many times over since then, so it's hard to consistent scoring all across the board throughout drastically different timeframes.  It just wouldn't be fair.
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I'm slowly trying to add my game collection in my profile and I'm on PC games at the moment.

Boy, looking through GameSpot's history, there are some definite head scratchers.  I don't know who ran this site back in the day but it has obviously gotten much better.

Can you believe that.....

...... legendary first-person shooters such as Duke Nuke Em, Rainbow Six and Star Wars Dark Forces II (the first Jedi Knight) all failed to get above a 9.0?  Some of those scored as low as 8.0. These were all highly popular games back in the day and all 3 of them established new conceps in shooters and spawned several clones. I thought GameSpot was tougher than most big websites, but apparently they used to be a lot tougher on their reviews.

The__MCP

What you have to realize is that just because a game is popular, doesn't mean it should have scored 9.0+. I know that the Nuke Em series were always a blast to play and that the Star Wars Dark Forces were alright games....I never bother with Rainbow Six.

Then again, one person's opinion on a game will differ from another's. That being said, I'll use Halo as an example because so far it's been a monster in sales (popular):

I thought the first Halo was pretty darn good. Good graphics, fun game play value, good story line and the fact that it made it's way to PC made it that much better. I would have scored it between 8.5-9.0, depending on my mood after playing it. Now comes along Halo 2....which really doesn't offer anything different then the original; aside from the ability to wield dual weapons and the ability to hijack vehicles....the story wasn't as catchy and the game play was pretty much the same. If I scored Halo 2 I would have given it an 7.5-8.0.

Perhaps maybe you truely enjoyed the Halo series so far and you thought they should have received at least a 9.5 for Halo and a 9.0 for Halo 2. Let's face it, Halo is very popular, but that doesn't mean it should score high, it all just depends on your own personal view and how well you are at not being biassed towards your scoring on games that you don't find very fun.

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You make it sound like any game scoring below a 9.0 has been underrated.  From what Ive read, a game that scores over a 9.0 must be not only a good game, but it must also be incredibly successful or part of a popular series.  I know, not the way it should work, but that seems to be the way it does work.

To me, any game scoring over a 6.5 is worthy of consideration, atleast by Gamespots review criterion.

Its why Deus Ex got an 8.2.  It has a diehard following, and you either love the game to death, or played it once and tossed it aside.  I think the reviewer did the same thing; he or she found nothing wrong with it, but there was also nothing special about it [for the reviewer], so the game was given a decent score and then overlooked.

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#5 Makari
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Its why Deus Ex got an 8.2. It has a diehard following, and you either love the game to death, or played it once and tossed it aside. I think the reviewer did the same thing; he or she found nothing wrong with it, but there was also nothing special about it [for the reviewer], so the game was given a decent score and then overlooked.mrbojangles25
IIRC the game as it was released was also not quite so polished as the patched version most of us experienced. That's the same issue Ultima Online ran into - they reviewed it on release, and don't go back to redo it. Remember the game when it launched? It was a laggy mess at first.
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#6 A-S_FM
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gamespot rarely scores games over 9.3 - only those truly, once every 5 years games gets 9.4 or higher, meaning that, effectively, 9.3 is their 100% score (personally, i hate grading on a curve like that, why have 10 if you're never gonna use it? - i review games for a site, and i've been told to not give out top scores, eugh!)

but with that in mind, since the mid and high 9s are practically unattainable, we can ignore them as part of the review process, factor this in to most reviews (an easy way to do it is to just add .5 to all scores), and most of those 7.5ish games suddenly have highly respectable scores - so that 7.5 becomes an 8, and that 9.3 becomes a 9.8 and so forth

when i look at review scores, i usually interpret them like this: 6 range - only if you're a diehard fan of the genre or IP; 7 range - recommendable to everyone; 8 range - well worth a purchase for everyone; 9 range - essential purchase for everyone, so, i don't see a 6.3, i see a this game is worth buying if you love the genre

another thing to acknowledge is that while gamespot is an idividual entity, it is an entity consisting of many individuals, each with their own opinions and experiences, telling one reviewer that he can't score this game over x because that game got y, well, that's a corrupt way of reviewing games - the only way to get truly consistent scores is to have one person reviewing all games, and even then it's very easy for opinions to change over slight things and two very similar games get very different scores from the very same person

i think when reading reviews it's best to do the score adjustment, take the content of the review as more important than the score itself, and take the whole thing with a grain of salt
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#7 godofratz
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If you just ignore the number and just read what the reviewer has to say, most of the time its 100% correct. 
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#8 Eadara
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Did you know they gave one of the Tony Hawk games a perfect 10? wtf?
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#9 Deltaforce-
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If you just ignore the number and just read what the reviewer has to say, most of the time its 100% correct. godofratz

That's what I do too. I like reading gamespots reviews though, and they seem pretty consistent.

My only complaint is they gave Delta Force Black Hawk Down a 5.6! Players gave it a 7.6. The game had some arcade-type sequences, but other parts were good solid FPS action in a believable third world setting. 

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#10 lol_waffles
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There has been many instances where I've questioned GameSpot's reviews. WoW, a 9.5? Mario Kart 64, a 6.4? THPS3, a PERFECT TEN?
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#11 kpsting
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when i look at review scores, i usually interpret them like this: 6 range - only if you're a diehard fan of the genre or IP; 7 range - recommendable to everyone; 8 range - well worth a purchase for everyone; 9 range - essential purchase for everyone, so, i don't see a 6.3, i see a this game is worth buying if you love the genreA-S_FM


Don't they score like 5 different aspects of a game? sound, graphics, etc. and they give out 10s on those single aspects fairly often. so yeah they give 10s, too
You can ALWAYS find something you don't like about a game (so technically no game in history should get a perfect score because perfection does not exist) but if it has 9s or 10s on all major parts and a you're tilting towards a 10 in general and the game is just amazing to play then they can give it a total 10 score even if average is not 10.

and there are so many games being released that I'd be stupid to buy anything scored below 8.0, unless I made up my mind earlier about buying it regardless of what score/review it'd get [like I did with gothic3]
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#12 Terrorantula
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1 = bad
5 = mediocre
10 = perfect


How is 8 low? A 4 - 1 would be low lol.

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I'm slowly trying to add my game collection in my profile and I'm on PC games at the moment.

Boy, looking through GameSpot's history, there are some definite head scratchers.  I don't know who ran this site back in the day but it has obviously gotten much better.

Can you believe that.....

...... legendary first-person shooters such as Duke Nuke Em, Rainbow Six and Star Wars Dark Forces II (the first Jedi Knight) all failed to get above a 9.0?  Some of those scored as low as 8.0. These were all highly popular games back in the day and all 3 of them established new conceps in shooters and spawned several clones. I thought GameSpot was tougher than most big websites, but apparently they used to be a lot tougher on their reviews.

....... for as much time as people usually spend on MMORPGs, there are only 2 titles that ever scored above 9.0?  (World of Warcraft and Dark Ages of Camelot)  At a low 4.9, is Ultima Online the most commercially successful but lowest rated game in GameSpot's history?  I played that game way back in the day and I was blown away by it.  Other MMORPGs since have naturally perfected many elements of the genre since UO was the first one, but I find it hard to believe that this game that was so successful and addictive that EA cancelled an updated sequel only managed a 4.9? :o

....... that American McGee's Alice only got 7.3?  This must be because PC gamers aren't used to platformers. I'll admit it wasn't anywhere near the gameplay of Prince of Persia Sands of Time, but that was one of the oddest and visually beautiful games I've ever played. 

........ Battlefield 1942's expansion scored higher than Battlefield 1942 itself. Huh?  Just a few more maps and gameplay modes added, but the core game is what I would still rate the highest.

Agree with the reviews?  Disagree?  Anything odd you have noticed going through the game collection?

The__MCP

There are only two things I want to comment on.

1 - The head scratching pheonomenon that has come about recently where people believe any score below a 9.0 is a bad score.  When did 8.0 get moved right next to 4.0????  8 is a fine score for a very good game.

2 - UO when it first came out was so unplayable there was actually was a clas action lawsuit brought against EA for releasing the game in such a state.  Granted, they improved upon the game greatly over the years, but when the review was given the game honsetly deserved that 4.9 score.

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#15 BloodMist
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I've never really given reviews all that much clout in my buying decisions for the most part, because there are many anomalous reviews, just like you have noticed.And there's plenty of games i've bought either because i tried the demo and loved it, or simply knew i would enjoy it, that didn't get reviewed so well, and i enjoyed them immensely.Thankfully, the users have the ability to give their own ratings and reviews, too, and i find i tend to agree more with player reviews than the professional ones.
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#16 Colonel_Cool
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Gamespot always seems to review console games higher than pc games. The highest rated PC game in recent years was World of Warcraft with a 9.5 back in 2004. And also in November 2004, Halo 2 got a 9.4 rating, and HL2 got a 9.2, and they were only a week apart. Gamespot definitely does overrate console games. And also, remember in their Most Wanted 2007 feature? Crysis and Supcom weren't on the list, (even though they were some of the most anticipated pc games in a while), but Halo 3 was sure on the list. Crackdown also, probably because of the Halo 3 multiplayer beta.