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#1 abncdefghijklmn
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Hi everyone, I want to have a comp build(Gaming) for my 13 y.o. He wanted Alienware but after researching it, it seems like I have better options. I am asking for all of your opinions on best place to have it built and what is a good rig for around $1000- $1500. So if you had the money and this is what you could afford...give or take...what would you have put in it and where would you have it built? I have read that ibuypower.com is good...is that true? Your opinions are valuable to me. It is for Christmas. Thanks for your time and input! by the way not sure why the UN came up as it did...but my name is Robin.
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#2 MonsieurX
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For that budget,go for a I7 920+5870!
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if you want a good pc build for 1000-1500$ Il build it on newegg.com selecting part with that you can get
CPU Core i7 920 2.6Ghz
Motherboard X58 I recommend the Gigabyte UD5 or the *NEWS* UD7 (UD7 as Better OC headroom & SATA III & 2 USB 3.0 port)
GPU ATI HD5870 or HD5970 XFX as Best Warranty
Ram 3x2GB DDR3 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 or better cas
PSU 650-750W Psu Would be far enough
Case HAF 932 is the best airflow case & as lot of space (it is Require to have full tower if you envisage the HD5970)
HDD 1TB Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB 80$ (it is the Fastest 1TB on market)
OS : Window 7 Home Premium / Professional - 64 Bits
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Cpu cooler if you overclocks depending if you perform some in future

with that you come with a awesome build maxedout for 1920x1200 resolution

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Heres a Prebuilt Gaming Pc and its even under $1000

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227179-iBUYPOWER Gamer Extreme 551D3 Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz) 4GB DDR3 500GB ATI Radeon HD 5770 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit - Retail - $ 920

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nice rip off but less rip off then most of pc :D
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Thanks for the input and the more the merrier ....thought the below info might be of some help.... His comp that he plays on now is: HP Pavilion a125on 3800+ AMD Athlon 64x2 Processor 1.0GB memory 250 GB Hard Drive Integrated ATI Radeon xpress 200 graphics mine I had built eons ago in2002 as a gaming comp....which is: Pentium(R) 4 cpu 2.60 GHZ with 512 MG Ram NVidia Geforce Fx 5200 But I use mine as only a home comp. So as you can see we are outdated mostly in the Graphics cards. I could use my comp if had to and have a friend build him a comp inside mine. Lord knows the box is big enough. It also has a few fans. So with the suggestions that are being made how much faster and graphics will it be with what are suggested. Not on my comp but his. Unless it is just better to have him upgrade in mine? although that might just confuse me more...lol However with the comp he's got should I just use that and upgrade it? Or could I do better by not doing that? I can also bring all the specs forward if that will also help with this question.
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yea youre going to want a complete upgrade there! new everything i say!!!! :) If ya lived in fort wayne I could build one for ya :( better then going to alieware lol. as for prebuilts go http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227178 this one is pretty beasty. Im assuming you have a monitor already.

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yea youre going to want a complete upgrade there! new everything i say!!!! :) If ya lived in fort wayne I could build one for ya :( better then going to alieware lol. as for prebuilts go http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227178 this one is pretty beasty. Im assuming you have a monitor already.

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I live in SD...hehehe...so I edited my last post before seening yours, so would it be best to just upgrade the one he's got or go for the gusto and build a new one?
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ibuypower.com is great I got just what i needed at a reasonable price. I configured with Core 2 Quad 4gbs Ram which is all you need windows vista 64 a nVidia 9400Gt which might be not what you need a 500gb 7200 rpm 20 inch LCD etc. And an awsome case. I came in at $1057 (plus tax & shipping) But you can add alot with your extra $500 dollars. I have not orderd it yet because i'm still looking for better deals but being that it's cyber monday I don't know. Good luck
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#10 jtcraft
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I think you would be better off just building a new pc. You might want to check in your local area for places that might build pc. The most cost effective would be to order the parts from newegg.com and build it yourself. If you live near a Fry's Electronics they can build a pc for you. Though, I don't know how much they charge. As far as video cards go get an ATI 5850, 5870, or 5970. You can get an Intel i7 920 setup w/parts from reputable manufacturers and stay within your budget with a 5850 or a 5870. Both are good cards.
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Thanks for the input and the more the merrier ....thought the below info might be of some help.... His comp that he plays on now is: HP Pavilion a125on 3800+ AMD Athlon 64x2 Processor 1.0GB memory 250 GB Hard Drive Integrated ATI Radeon xpress 200 graphics mine I had built eons ago in2002 as a gaming comp....which is: Pentium(R) 4 cpu 2.60 GHZ with 512 MG Ram NVidia Geforce Fx 5200 But I use mine as only a home comp. So as you can see we are outdated mostly in the Graphics cards. I could use my comp if had to and have a friend build him a comp inside mine. Lord knows the box is big enough. It also has a few fans. So with the suggestions that are being made how much faster and graphics will it be with what are suggested. Not on my comp but his. Unless it is just better to have him upgrade in mine? although that might just confuse me more...lol However with the comp he's got should I just use that and upgrade it? Or could I do better by not doing that? I can also bring all the specs forward if that will also help with this question.abncdefghijklmn
Perhaps one of the fine people I know on the forum can build you one. I am starting to build pcs for people on here, but I'd be willing to recommend anyone here that lives close to you instead that way perhaps the two of you can meet and work out a deal (better having someone build you one than going for a pre-built). There is a bit of a problem though. The higher end ATI cards are in very short supply so finding a 5850 or 5870 for example could be difficult. However, to get around this I would just get two 5770's and to be honest two 5770's in crossfireX mode are as fast as a 5850 in most games. Here perhaps this benchmark can prove my point http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/18. So you would basically want a PC that uses two 5770's in crossfirex and the performance of these cards won't be far from a 5870 either. Also you will want a system based around the Core i7 920 or the AMD Phenom II x4 965 CPU. Oh and I'm a girl by the way :). You see I'm taking my love and experience with computers and trying to start my own somewhat of a business building PCs for people (making some money through build fees) and I've noticed that this area of the PC industry is growing quickly and there is a lot of potential for such a business as the one I am starting to succeed. I can build you a pc if you'd like however, the only track record I have online is selling through my Ebay account http://myworld.ebay.com/funandgames1990/. Also check my Gamespot profile and I can give you more information about myself if you'd like. It's absolutely up to you what you want to do however, I'd suggest not going with a pre-built.

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[QUOTE="abncdefghijklmn"]Thanks for the input and the more the merrier ....thought the below info might be of some help.... His comp that he plays on now is: HP Pavilion a125on 3800+ AMD Athlon 64x2 Processor 1.0GB memory 250 GB Hard Drive Integrated ATI Radeon xpress 200 graphics mine I had built eons ago in2002 as a gaming comp....which is: Pentium(R) 4 cpu 2.60 GHZ with 512 MG Ram NVidia Geforce Fx 5200 But I use mine as only a home comp. So as you can see we are outdated mostly in the Graphics cards. I could use my comp if had to and have a friend build him a comp inside mine. Lord knows the box is big enough. It also has a few fans. So with the suggestions that are being made how much faster and graphics will it be with what are suggested. Not on my comp but his. Unless it is just better to have him upgrade in mine? although that might just confuse me more...lol However with the comp he's got should I just use that and upgrade it? Or could I do better by not doing that? I can also bring all the specs forward if that will also help with this question.UltimateGamer95

Perhaps one of the fine people I know on the forum can build you one. I am starting to build pcs for people on here, but I'd be willing to recommend anyone here that lives close to you instead that way perhaps the two of you can meet and work out a deal (better having someone build you one than going for a pre-built). There is a bit of a problem though. The higher end ATI cards are in very short supply so finding a 5850 or 5870 for example could be difficult. However, to get around this I would just get two 5770's and to be honest two 5770's in crossfireX mode are as fast as a 5850 in most games. Here perhaps this benchmark can prove my point http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/18. So you would basically want a PC that uses two 5770's in crossfirex and the performance of these cards won't be far from a 5870 either. Also you will want a system based around the Core i7 920 or the AMD Phenom II x4 965 CPU. Oh and I'm a girl by the way :). You see I'm taking my love and experience with computers and trying to start my own somewhat of a business building PCs for people (making some money through build fees) and I've noticed that this area of the PC industry is growing quickly and there is a lot of potential for such a business as the one I am starting to succeed. I can build you a pc if you'd like however, the only track record I have online is selling through my Ebay account http://myworld.ebay.com/funandgames1990/. Also check my Gamespot profile and I can give you more information about myself if you'd like. It's absolutely up to you what you want to do however, I'd suggest not going with a pre-built.

hehehe..I'm a girl to, however am much much older than you :) so what would a computer look like that you would build for me? Or should I say for my son. I see the above but laying it all out what would you put all in it...A neighbor /friends son of mine builds computers but not sure how good he is. I am not that experianced with this. So I have come a hunting for those that are! And what do you charge to put it together and send out to me?
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[QUOTE="UltimateGamer95"]

[QUOTE="abncdefghijklmn"]Thanks for the input and the more the merrier ....thought the below info might be of some help.... His comp that he plays on now is: HP Pavilion a125on 3800+ AMD Athlon 64x2 Processor 1.0GB memory 250 GB Hard Drive Integrated ATI Radeon xpress 200 graphics mine I had built eons ago in2002 as a gaming comp....which is: Pentium(R) 4 cpu 2.60 GHZ with 512 MG Ram NVidia Geforce Fx 5200 But I use mine as only a home comp. So as you can see we are outdated mostly in the Graphics cards. I could use my comp if had to and have a friend build him a comp inside mine. Lord knows the box is big enough. It also has a few fans. So with the suggestions that are being made how much faster and graphics will it be with what are suggested. Not on my comp but his. Unless it is just better to have him upgrade in mine? although that might just confuse me more...lol However with the comp he's got should I just use that and upgrade it? Or could I do better by not doing that? I can also bring all the specs forward if that will also help with this question.abncdefghijklmn

Perhaps one of the fine people I know on the forum can build you one. I am starting to build pcs for people on here, but I'd be willing to recommend anyone here that lives close to you instead that way perhaps the two of you can meet and work out a deal (better having someone build you one than going for a pre-built). There is a bit of a problem though. The higher end ATI cards are in very short supply so finding a 5850 or 5870 for example could be difficult. However, to get around this I would just get two 5770's and to be honest two 5770's in crossfireX mode are as fast as a 5850 in most games. Here perhaps this benchmark can prove my point http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/18. So you would basically want a PC that uses two 5770's in crossfirex and the performance of these cards won't be far from a 5870 either. Also you will want a system based around the Core i7 920 or the AMD Phenom II x4 965 CPU. Oh and I'm a girl by the way :). You see I'm taking my love and experience with computers and trying to start my own somewhat of a business building PCs for people (making some money through build fees) and I've noticed that this area of the PC industry is growing quickly and there is a lot of potential for such a business as the one I am starting to succeed. I can build you a pc if you'd like however, the only track record I have online is selling through my Ebay account http://myworld.ebay.com/funandgames1990/. Also check my Gamespot profile and I can give you more information about myself if you'd like. It's absolutely up to you what you want to do however, I'd suggest not going with a pre-built.

hehehe..I'm a girl to, however am much much older than you :) so what would a computer look like that you would build for me? Or should I say for my son. I see the above but laying it all out what would you put all in it...A neighbor /friends son of mine builds computers but not sure how good he is. I am not that experianced with this. So I have come a hunting for those that are! And what do you charge to put it together and send out to me?

alright I'm going to send you PMs from now on. Just don't want to clutter up the thread that's all. I'll send you a PM momentarily :).
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if you want a good pc build for 1000-1500$ Il build it on newegg.com selecting part with that you can get
CPU Core i7 920 2.6Ghz
Motherboard X58 I recommend the Gigabyte UD5 or the *NEWS* UD7 (UD7 as Better OC headroom & SATA III & 2 USB 3.0 port)
GPU ATI HD5870 or HD5970 XFX as Best Warranty
Ram 3x2GB DDR3 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 or better cas
PSU 650-750W Psu Would be far enough
Case HAF 932 is the best airflow case & as lot of space (it is Require to have full tower if you envisage the HD5970)
HDD 1TB Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB 80$ (it is the Fastest 1TB on market)
OS : Window 7 Home Premium / Professional - 64 Bits
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Cpu cooler if you overclocks depending if you perform some in future

with that you come with a awesome build maxedout for 1920x1200 resolution

marcthpro
thanks for your input! When you say a good pc at this price with these specs, how good is good? I mean is it worth the $$$ to spend this amount or for a really good system should I spend more? Would you be really happy with a system with the specs you mentioned or would you be so so....or would you want more? :)
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marcthpro definitly recommended a very good rig, is it really under 1500 for that rig though?

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well it about that price.. il check it up . wait. Yep : 1600$ (include all)

  1. Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
  2. GIGABYTE GA-EX58-UD5 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail 268.99$
  3. OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail
  4. XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB XXX Edition 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported ... - Retail
  5. CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ... - Retail
  6. COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail 139.99$ Free Shipping
  7. SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
  8. Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
  9. 28-35$ (DVD burner)

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[QUOTE="marcthpro"]

if you want a good pc build for 1000-1500$ Il build it on newegg.com selecting part with that you can get
CPU Core i7 920 2.6Ghz
Motherboard X58 I recommend the Gigabyte UD5 or the *NEWS* UD7 (UD7 as Better OC headroom & SATA III & 2 USB 3.0 port)
GPU ATI HD5870 or HD5970 XFX as Best Warranty
Ram 3x2GB DDR3 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 or better cas
PSU 650-750W Psu Would be far enough
Case HAF 932 is the best airflow case & as lot of space (it is Require to have full tower if you envisage the HD5970)
HDD 1TB Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB 80$ (it is the Fastest 1TB on market)
OS : Window 7 Home Premium / Professional - 64 Bits
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Cpu cooler if you overclocks depending if you perform some in future

with that you come with a awesome build maxedout for 1920x1200 resolution

abncdefghijklmn

thanks for your input! When you say a good pc at this price with these specs, how good is good? I mean is it worth the $$$ to spend this amount or for a really good system should I spend more? Would you be really happy with a system with the specs you mentioned or would you be so so....or would you want more? :)

Well I guess it depends on what games your son is going to be playing on this PC. It also depends on the size of his monitor.

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That Prebuilt I suggested earlier will play any game all on high settingsand is ready for Direct x 11. And is only $920 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227179 , the work is already done for you, buy it plug it up and use. No need to wait for it to be built by you or someone else.

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it still a rip of id avoid to buy a pre-build make it ur self if you want a Phenom II X4 i can build it for you for less
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it still a rip of id avoid to buy a pre-build make it ur self if you want a Phenom II X4 i can build it for you for lessmarcthpro
Adding up the parts only leaves a $200 difference from buying the parts yourself and putting it together. The job of putting it altogether, and time plus headaches if something you did wrong is taken out.
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the 200$ can be spend for HD5850 / 5870 ;-) and a better motherboard ?
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the 200$ can be spend for HD5850 / 5870 ;-) and a better motherboard ?marcthpro
Some dont want too, or cant put a Pc together. And $200 isnt a huge profit for the company, And its better then alot of those Dell $1000 Pc's :P
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indeed lol they are the best for Lowest rip off Company ratio but still the fact it easy to build a pc :P
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ibuypower.com is great I got just what i needed at a reasonable price. I configured with Core 2 Quad 4gbs Ram which is all you need windows vista 64 a nVidia 9400Gt which might be not what you need a 500gb 7200 rpm 20 inch LCD etc. And an awsome case. I came in at $1057 (plus tax & shipping) But you can add alot with your extra $500 dollars. I have not orderd it yet because i'm still looking for better deals but being that it's cyber monday I don't know. Good luckgmaster456
a 9400gt is a dreadfully bad card. for 800 i built a pc with many times the graphical capabilities including monitor. prebuilts just aren't as good a value as self made.
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[QUOTE="marcthpro"]it still a rip of id avoid to buy a pre-build make it ur self if you want a Phenom II X4 i can build it for you for less04dcarraher
Adding up the parts only leaves a $200 difference from buying the parts yourself and putting it together. The job of putting it altogether, and time plus headaches if something you did wrong is taken out.

Such headaches are not always avoided, granted if you are a complete noob it probably reduces your chances, but pre builts can have problems as well.
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[QUOTE="abncdefghijklmn"]Thanks for the input and the more the merrier ....thought the below info might be of some help.... His comp that he plays on now is: HP Pavilion a125on 3800+ AMD Athlon 64x2 Processor 1.0GB memory 250 GB Hard Drive Integrated ATI Radeon xpress 200 graphics mine I had built eons ago in2002 as a gaming comp....which is: Pentium(R) 4 cpu 2.60 GHZ with 512 MG Ram NVidia Geforce Fx 5200 But I use mine as only a home comp. So as you can see we are outdated mostly in the Graphics cards. I could use my comp if had to and have a friend build him a comp inside mine. Lord knows the box is big enough. It also has a few fans. So with the suggestions that are being made how much faster and graphics will it be with what are suggested. Not on my comp but his. Unless it is just better to have him upgrade in mine? although that might just confuse me more...lol However with the comp he's got should I just use that and upgrade it? Or could I do better by not doing that? I can also bring all the specs forward if that will also help with this question.abncdefghijklmn

Perhaps one of the fine people I know on the forum can build you one. I am starting to build pcs for people on here, but I'd be willing to recommend anyone here that lives close to you instead that way perhaps the two of you can meet and work out a deal (better having someone build you one than going for a pre-built). There is a bit of a problem though. The higher end ATI cards are in very short supply so finding a 5850 or 5870 for example could be difficult. However, to get around this I would just get two 5770's and to be honest two 5770's in crossfireX mode are as fast as a 5850 in most games. Here perhaps this benchmark can prove my point http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5770-review-test/18. So you would basically want a PC that uses two 5770's in crossfirex and the performance of these cards won't be far from a 5870 either. Also you will want a system based around the Core i7 920 or the AMD Phenom II x4 965 CPU. Oh and I'm a girl by the way :). You see I'm taking my love and experience with computers and trying to start my own somewhat of a business building PCs for people (making some money through build fees) and I've noticed that this area of the PC industry is growing quickly and there is a lot of potential for such a business as the one I am starting to succeed. I can build you a pc if you'd like however, the only track record I have online is selling through my Ebay account http://myworld.ebay.com/funandgames1990/. Also check my Gamespot profile and I can give you more information about myself if you'd like. It's absolutely up to you what you want to do however, I'd suggest not going with a pre-built.

hehehe..I'm a girl to, however am much much older than you :) so what would a computer look like that you would build for me? Or should I say for my son. I see the above but laying it all out what would you put all in it...A neighbor /friends son of mine builds computers but not sure how good he is. I am not that experianced with this. So I have come a hunting for those that are! And what do you charge to put it together and send out to me?

alright I sent you a PM :). Oh and if for some reason you have trouble posting it's because you are level 1 on the forum and only users level 3 and higher can post I believe. So you can always send me PMs if you have a question or something :). Oh and I have a lot of experience with building computers so you won't have to worry about that :). And also I'm the best when it comes to choosing the best possible configuration within a certain budget just ask anyone in my friends list :)
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i vote i7 860 > i7 920 because the performance is more similar than the prices
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i vote i7 860 > i7 920 because the performance is more similar than the pricesZcrimson07
True but Am3 and LGA 1366 are the most future proof platforms right now :D
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I'm tired of people insisting custom built PC websites, and prebuilt systems are ripoffs, some are, but still, some and most aren't, sure building is cheaper to do but it isn't that easy to build a computer, it may be to you, but to someone who can't tell the difference between an Nvidia 6600 and an ATI 4770, let alone know what they are, it can be extremely overwhelming.

Also, I hope your son has done something good to earn this, If only my Mother were so kind, but seriously, if you're dropping $1000+ into this you better make sure he treats you with respect, regardless of your financial situation.

But yeah, that does seem like a pretty good deal for $900, you should go with that, it should be able to handle anything out there nicely at the moment, it's a good deal, I recommend it.

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I'm tired of people insisting custom built PC websites, and prebuilt systems are ripoffs, some are, but still, some and most aren't, sure building is cheaper to do but it isn't that easy to build a computer, it may be to you, but to someone who can't tell the difference between an Nvidia 6600 and an ATI 4770, let alone know what they are, it can be extremely overwhelming.

Also, I hope your son has done something good to earn this, If only my Mother were so kind, but seriously, if you're dropping $1000+ into this you better make sure he treats you with respect, regardless of your financial situation.

But yeah, that does seem like a pretty good deal for $900, you should go with that, it should be able to handle anything out there nicely at the moment, it's a good deal, I recommend it.

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Thanks everyone....just wanted to add that yes he deserves it. And thanks for putting that question out there for me. He only has 1 hr comp time during the week due to school and on the weekends he gets lots of time. But he is active and has a life unlike some kids I know. :) My 16 year old plays XBOX 360 and has only half a life....but he is in honors/AP classes and straight A's....so we give him a little more space. He is planning on going to college to be a software Engineer, or game designer....and he wants to work for GOOGLE....who doesn't...lol.... I will be sure to show him your post. He knows I am looking into this for him. I was going to do this last year for christmas...at least upgrade the one he has, but he lost that privilege. So he was stuck with what he had. I told him we would try again when he got back on track. So here I am.
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As for the question/statement asked by UltimateGamer in regards to the rig that marcthpro suggested.... about games he plays and size monitor ..... he plays Counter strike 1.6 for the most part. Other games also but CS is his fav. His screen size is 19" I believe. But I could give him my 22. I only use my comp for boards and posting and such...no gaming for me. :)
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[QUOTE="abncdefghijklmn"]Thanks for the input and the more the merrier ....thought the below info might be of some help.... His comp that he plays on now is: HP Pavilion a125on 3800+ AMD Athlon 64x2 Processor 1.0GB memory 250 GB Hard Drive Integrated ATI Radeon xpress 200 graphics mine I had built eons ago in2002 as a gaming comp....which is: Pentium(R) 4 cpu 2.60 GHZ with 512 MG Ram NVidia Geforce Fx 5200 But I use mine as only a home comp. So as you can see we are outdated mostly in the Graphics cards. I could use my comp if had to and have a friend build him a comp inside mine. Lord knows the box is big enough. It also has a few fans. So with the suggestions that are being made how much faster and graphics will it be with what are suggested. Not on my comp but his. Unless it is just better to have him upgrade in mine? although that might just confuse me more...lol However with the comp he's got should I just use that and upgrade it? Or could I do better by not doing that? I can also bring all the specs forward if that will also help with this question.

ummmm wow.... so the computer he's on now will run a 2005 game on medium.... the ones we're suggesting will max a 2011 game. god.... integrated xpress graphics.... that won't even run a 2005 game! and upgrading those won't work, as the cpu's have a bunch of tiny rods on the bottom that they use to connect to the motherboard, and likewise the cpu socket has tons of tiny slots... well new cpu sockets have about 12 times as many tiny slots as the one the pentium 4 uses have.... and the cpu's have 12 times the tiny rods. i motion for: i7-920 ATI radeon HD5970 6 gig's ddr3 1333 or 1600 (depends on the deal you get), if budget blocks 6 gigs get 3, because that'll actually outperform 4 by running in triple channel instead of dual the haf 932 is a wonderful case. it'll do everything he needs, but if you want for about 20 bucks more you could get him an antec 1200, which has more LED's and is all around more impressive, giving you a better shock and awe moment come christmas morn. just give him a terabyte of harddrive, it's so cheap these days why not. if you want you could get him 60 gig's of SSD to put his programs on.... it'll be 100 bucks or so and let him open and close games like a switchblade. (SSD's are dramatically faster hard drives basically, meaning programs open and close instantly no loading whatsoever) since he's a kid (and you don't want him pirating any games) he won't need and you won't want to give him a dvd writer, so instead add about 10 bucks to get a blu-ray read only drive. the asrock x58 deluxe is a quite reliable and all around good motherboard for this and currently there's an open box of it on newegg that'll let you get it for 150 (open box deals are only marginally less reliable than regular versions of the board and can be returned if they're DOA, it means somebody bought it, chose something else for whatever reason and shipped it back. if it was shipped back defective the manufacturer repairs it before putting it on open box) don't buy a soundcard they're no longer needed with the incredible built in sound of motherboards nowadays. finally, if you don't mind him playing M games, to make sure he truly enjoys it, i recommend if he has steam, on christmas eve buy him the complete valve collection and complete THQ collection (150 bucks together) as well as crysis warhead. install all of these on his shiny new machine overnight, and in the morning he'll have the best looking game ever and ALL the funnest games ever on his steam account preinstalled on his incredible new machine.
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Building it yourself or even hiring a friend to build it is the best idea in my opinion, it can be fun/money saving but also frustrating since it will be your first time if you do it yourself. But saying that he plays CS1.6 mostly, well I am guessing he will move onto CS Source and try other games, I built my PC geared toward running all Source games on high over 60 frames at least and I have good performance in all games, can run Crysis on high at about 30-40fps, drops to 20 a little(450$ PC). I really depends on where you are going with your rig and what kinda gaming but 900$ for a pre built just to run maybe CS 1.6 and games not as demanding as the latest is overkill. Unless you are planning to be getting your son a bunch of new games and maybe going into PC gaming yourself on his school days. Anyway, I support building it yourself, A good build would be a Phenom II X4 945 A Motherboard with AM3 socket Ex. Gigabyte 770t-ud3p supports ddr3 A Nvidia 260 or 275 gtx G card 2-4 gbs of ram is good your choice of HDD storage 600W PSU/ look at rosewill maybe throw in a gaming mouse and it should add up to about 700$, or plus a OS may be a little more

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[QUOTE="Ikavnieks"]

I'm tired of people insisting custom built PC websites, and prebuilt systems are ripoffs, some are, but still, some and most aren't, sure building is cheaper to do but it isn't that easy to build a computer, it may be to you, but to someone who can't tell the difference between an Nvidia 6600 and an ATI 4770, let alone know what they are, it can be extremely overwhelming.

Also, I hope your son has done something good to earn this, If only my Mother were so kind, but seriously, if you're dropping $1000+ into this you better make sure he treats you with respect, regardless of your financial situation.

But yeah, that does seem like a pretty good deal for $900, you should go with that, it should be able to handle anything out there nicely at the moment, it's a good deal, I recommend it.

abncdefghijklmn

Thanks everyone....just wanted to add that yes he deserves it. And thanks for putting that question out there for me. He only has 1 hr comp time during the week due to school and on the weekends he gets lots of time. But he is active and has a life unlike some kids I know. :) My 16 year old plays XBOX 360 and has only half a life....but he is in honors/AP classes and straight A's....so we give him a little more space. He is planning on going to college to be a software Engineer, or game designer....and he wants to work for GOOGLE....who doesn't...lol.... I will be sure to show him your post. He knows I am looking into this for him. I was going to do this last year for christmas...at least upgrade the one he has, but he lost that privilege. So he was stuck with what he had. I told him we would try again when he got back on track. So here I am.

Wow seems like you have responsible children and that's always a good thing :). Now if only I could get my sister to be the same way. I'm the responsible A student in my household and I even cook and clean as well ;) :). I'm going to college for a degree in information technology right now so I'm definitely working towards my goals :). Anyway it's always good to reward someone for their hard work no matter how big or expensive the reward is :). sent you a PM by the way ;). Oh and i respomd to PMs very quickly just to let you know.

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well if is not that enthusiast sound like an amd build :D save lot of $$ and HD5770 should be fine : it motly about resolution if he only play at 1680x1050 and not even those all nice new DX11 Incoming . HD5770 is a good card

but if he was more into 1680x1050 game such as DIRT II on DX11 then Crossfire 5770 / 5850 / 5870 is a good option but would be mostly overkill for someone who don't use it that much oh well still the fact making ur pc piece by piece defeat by large what own build offer such as ibuypower / dell / alienware

if he won't be gaming that much i belive spenidng 1500-1600$ would be too much unless he ad really ambition to play all those new game in 2010 Dx11 they will be power hunger according this demo benchmark
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2009/12/01/directx-11-performance-first-look-dirt-2/3
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/EAH5970/25.html
and that a benchmark showing actual gpu power in 5 resolution include old VGA 1024x768 : SVGA 1280x1024 : 1680x1050 (modern 19-22 inch monitor)

it really based on what he want to play if is not even gonna spend 80H of gaming in a month :P and not even playing all those high game it perhap overkill to spend that much :P either way is lucky to have a mom who go ask random people that know lot about pc how to make one ;)

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Thanks everyone, you are all giving me great advice and am sooo thankful. My son was told by a gamer he plays with OL that this is what he suggests. He also plays CS 1.6. So can you tell me if it looks like what you would do also??????? Thanks. You all ROCK! :)

Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136296&cm_re=raptor_hard_drive-_-22-136-296-_-Product



Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163154&cm_re=raven_case-_-11-163-154-_-Product



SoundCard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102019



RAM (Purchase 2 of these pairs)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145268&cm_re=desktop_ram-_-20-145-268-_-Product



Processor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727



Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131392



Graphics Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161302



Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006


TOTAL APPROX PRICE BEFORE TAX:: $1,635

I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS SPECIFICS ABOUT THIS SETUP WITH YOU WHEN YOU HAVE TIME.

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Well abncdefghijklmn, everything looks good on the Ram,Motherboard,Cpu, and PSU, everything else is a waste of money to a degree. Raptor hdd, too much for too little. This drive below holds almost 10x more room and is fast enough you wont tell the difference from 10000 rpm vs 7200rpm .http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433&cm_re=1tb_seagate_barracuda-_-22-148-433-_-Product. Right there saved you $70 Then sound card there, isnt really any needed since newer motherboard's onboard audio do 5.1-7.1 surround sound. So thats $160 off the price. Next the case is really long, and is not needed. There are plenty of cases that are under $100 that do the job. Like the HAF 922 $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197&cm_re=HAF_922-_-11-119-197-_-Product Just with those things cut or replaced just saved you $300

On another note if your son only plays CS 1.6, and wants to get into newer games a ATI 5770 might be the better choice for both worlds, while keeping the gaming performance and saving your wallet from burning a unneeded hole. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-864-_-Product Right there will save you another $145 so that $1600 Pc is turning into a $1200

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Well abncdefghijklmn, everything looks good on the Ram,Motherboard,Cpu, and PSU, everything else is a waste of money to a degree. Raptor hdd, too much for too little. This drive below holds almost 10x more room and is fast enough you wont tell the difference from 10000 rpm vs 7200rpm .http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433&cm_re=1tb_seagate_barracuda-_-22-148-433-_-Product. Right there saved you $70 Then sound card there, isnt really any needed since newer motherboard's onboard audio do 5.1-7.1 surround sound. So thats $160 off the price. Next the case is really long, and is not needed. There are plenty of cases that are under $100 that do the job. Like the HAF 922 $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197&cm_re=HAF_922-_-11-119-197-_-Product Just with those things cut or replaced just saved you $300

On another note if your son only plays CS 1.6, and wants to get into newer games a ATI 5770 might be the better choice for both worlds, while keeping the gaming performance and saving your wallet from burning a unneeded hole. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-864-_-Product Right there will save you another $145 so that $1600 Pc is turning into a $1200

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I agree...good alternative suggestions ...those other parts were utter overkill and a waste of money (I wonder who suggested them) .....also that pre-built system you mentioned earlier would be plenty imo...the only component that I wouldlook to change out if possible is that power supply. Get it replaced with a good name brand unit. Every thing else is fine....The TC's son would have no problems with that PC for his gaming and other general PC needs. There is nothing wrong with pre-built PC's as long as one properly researches for the companies that do a quality job. It may be a bit more expensive and not getting as much as if you purchased the parts and built it yourself...but NOT EVERYONE wants to do that for lots of different reasons.

I'm sorry..... but it amazes me when people that have little to no knowledge of computers come to this forum and ask for help or advice on getting a PC or putting one together, the parts suggested by some are generally the high end components that cost the most and use tech talk and reference info such as benchmarks that many have no idea what they mean....I know a lot of people here really mean well and want to help but to me thats not helping or giving that person the good advice they are asking for or really need.........

I would consider04dcarraher recumendations..... imo his is very "Sound Advice"

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Alright here's my suggestions for components :)

Optical Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118030

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129058

Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136283

Video Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161302

Sound Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271001

Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171037

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145267

CPU/Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.299394

now I'd assume you'd want me to install windows 7 for you correct? I'd recommend going for the home premium edition and that will be $105

Oh and you won't have to pay any tax because my state has no sales tax ;) :). I would just charge a build fee of $100, shipping cost, and the cost for the components (upfront).

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

Well abncdefghijklmn, everything looks good on the Ram,Motherboard,Cpu, and PSU, everything else is a waste of money to a degree. Raptor hdd, too much for too little. This drive below holds almost 10x more room and is fast enough you wont tell the difference from 10000 rpm vs 7200rpm .http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433&cm_re=1tb_seagate_barracuda-_-22-148-433-_-Product. Right there saved you $70 Then sound card there, isnt really any needed since newer motherboard's onboard audio do 5.1-7.1 surround sound. So thats $160 off the price. Next the case is really long, and is not needed. There are plenty of cases that are under $100 that do the job. Like the HAF 922 $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197&cm_re=HAF_922-_-11-119-197-_-Product Just with those things cut or replaced just saved you $300

On another note if your son only plays CS 1.6, and wants to get into newer games a ATI 5770 might be the better choice for both worlds, while keeping the gaming performance and saving your wallet from burning a unneeded hole. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-864-_-Product Right there will save you another $145 so that $1600 Pc is turning into a $1200

DieselCat18

I agree...good alternative suggestions ...those other parts were utter overkill and a waste of money (I wonder who suggested them) .....also that pre-built system you mentioned earlier would be plenty imo...the only component that I wouldlook to change out if possible is that power supply. Get it replaced with a good name brand unit. Every thing else is fine....The TC's son would have no problems with that PC for his gaming and other general PC needs. There is nothing wrong with pre-built PC's as long as one properly researches for the companies that do a quality job. It may be a bit more expensive and not getting as much as if you purchased the parts and built it yourself...but NOT EVERYONE wants to do that for lots of different reasons.

I'm sorry..... but it amazes me when people that have little to no knowledge of computers come to this forum and ask for help or advice on getting a PC or putting one together, the parts suggested by some are generally the high end components that cost the most and use tech talk and reference info such as benchmarks that many have no idea what they mean....I know a lot of people here really mean well and want to help but to me thats not helping or giving that person the good advice they are asking for or really need.........

I would consider04dcarraher recumendations..... imo his is very "Sound Advice"

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O your talking about that $920 prebuilt from ibuypower? Ya thats good enough to play any game out there and is Dx11 ready too. Plus already has win 7 installed and all the work taken out.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227179&cm_re=ibuypower_gamer_extreme-_-83-227-179-_-Product-iBUYPOWER Gamer Extreme 551D3 Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz) 4GB DDR3 500GB ATI Radeon HD 5770 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit - Retail - $920(will be in stock 12/14/09)

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[QUOTE="marcthpro"]

if you want a good pc build for 1000-1500$ Il build it on newegg.com selecting part with that you can get
CPU Core i7 920 2.6Ghz
Motherboard X58 I recommend the Gigabyte UD5 or the *NEWS* UD7 (UD7 as Better OC headroom & SATA III & 2 USB 3.0 port)
GPU ATI HD5870 or HD5970 XFX as Best Warranty
Ram 3x2GB DDR3 1600mhz 8-8-8-24 or better cas
PSU 650-750W Psu Would be far enough
Case HAF 932 is the best airflow case & as lot of space (it is Require to have full tower if you envisage the HD5970)
HDD 1TB Samsung spinpoint F3 1TB 80$ (it is the Fastest 1TB on market)
OS : Window 7 Home Premium / Professional - 64 Bits
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Cpu cooler if you overclocks depending if you perform some in future

with that you come with a awesome build maxedout for 1920x1200 resolution

abncdefghijklmn

thanks for your input! When you say a good pc at this price with these specs, how good is good? I mean is it worth the $$$ to spend this amount or for a really good system should I spend more? Would you be really happy with a system with the specs you mentioned or would you be so so....or would you want more? :)

i recently purchased almost that exact computer, and it can max literally every game on the market, including crysis (max AA max EVERYTHING) although if he's into older games battlefield 2 seems to have compatibility issues..... the ground is seethrough. that's probably some software i have though.

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So now that I am just completely confussed and one saying this is good and taht is better hows a girl to really know that has not much of a clue about gaming computers..lol...so I have another question...yup here comes another, are ya ready?

Alienware..yes the overpriced gaming computers. Price aside, what do you all think of the specs for the Alianware Aurora and the Alienware 51? and would either be good for CS 1.6 ? I know geesh this lady and her son are driving me crazy..lol..sorry but all your ideas are getting me closer!

http://www.alienware.com/

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So now that I am just completely confussed and one saying this is good and taht is better hows a girl to really know that has not much of a clue about gaming computers..lol...so I have another question...yup here comes another, are ya ready?

Alienware..yes the overpriced gaming computers. Price aside, what do you all think of the specs for the Alianware Aurora and the Alienware 51? and would either be good for CS 1.6 ? I know geesh this lady and her son are driving me crazy..lol..sorry but all your ideas are getting me closer!

http://www.alienware.com/

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it's pretty hard for someone to drive me crazy :). Even a woman and her son. But don't worry because my advice is A+ grade quality :)
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#46 bike749
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woman don't so post build gaming rig only guys :)

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#47 UltimateGamer95
Member since 2006 • 4720 Posts

woman don't so post build gaming rig only guys :)

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Yeah right :P. I can tell you that I build better rigs than many of the guys out there :D
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#48 abncdefghijklmn
Member since 2006 • 25 Posts

[QUOTE="abncdefghijklmn"]

So now that I am just completely confussed and one saying this is good and taht is better hows a girl to really know that has not much of a clue about gaming computers..lol...so I have another question...yup here comes another, are ya ready?

Alienware..yes the overpriced gaming computers. Price aside, what do you all think of the specs for the Alianware Aurora and the Alienware 51? and would either be good for CS 1.6 ? I know geesh this lady and her son are driving me crazy..lol..sorry but all your ideas are getting me closer!

http://www.alienware.com/

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it's pretty hard for someone to drive me crazy :). Even a woman and her son. But don't worry because my advice is A+ grade quality :)

I was referring to me as not knowing...hope that was clear and did not mean anyone else on this thread! :)

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#49 abncdefghijklmn
Member since 2006 • 25 Posts

[QUOTE="DieselCat18"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

Well abncdefghijklmn, everything looks good on the Ram,Motherboard,Cpu, and PSU, everything else is a waste of money to a degree. Raptor hdd, too much for too little. This drive below holds almost 10x more room and is fast enough you wont tell the difference from 10000 rpm vs 7200rpm .http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433&cm_re=1tb_seagate_barracuda-_-22-148-433-_-Product. Right there saved you $70 Then sound card there, isnt really any needed since newer motherboard's onboard audio do 5.1-7.1 surround sound. So thats $160 off the price. Next the case is really long, and is not needed. There are plenty of cases that are under $100 that do the job. Like the HAF 922 $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197&cm_re=HAF_922-_-11-119-197-_-Product Just with those things cut or replaced just saved you $300

On another note if your son only plays CS 1.6, and wants to get into newer games a ATI 5770 might be the better choice for both worlds, while keeping the gaming performance and saving your wallet from burning a unneeded hole. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-864-_-Product Right there will save you another $145 so that $1600 Pc is turning into a $1200

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I agree...good alternative suggestions ...those other parts were utter overkill and a waste of money (I wonder who suggested them) .....also that pre-built system you mentioned earlier would be plenty imo...the only component that I wouldlook to change out if possible is that power supply. Get it replaced with a good name brand unit. Every thing else is fine....The TC's son would have no problems with that PC for his gaming and other general PC needs. There is nothing wrong with pre-built PC's as long as one properly researches for the companies that do a quality job. It may be a bit more expensive and not getting as much as if you purchased the parts and built it yourself...but NOT EVERYONE wants to do that for lots of different reasons.

I'm sorry..... but it amazes me when people that have little to no knowledge of computers come to this forum and ask for help or advice on getting a PC or putting one together, the parts suggested by some are generally the high end components that cost the most and use tech talk and reference info such as benchmarks that many have no idea what they mean....I know a lot of people here really mean well and want to help but to me thats not helping or giving that person the good advice they are asking for or really need.........

I would consider04dcarraher recumendations..... imo his is very "Sound Advice"

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O your talking about that $920 prebuilt from ibuypower? Ya thats good enough to play any game out there and is Dx11 ready too. Plus already has win 7 installed and all the work taken out.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227179&cm_re=ibuypower_gamer_extreme-_-83-227-179-_-Product-iBUYPOWER Gamer Extreme 551D3 Phenom II X4 965(3.4GHz) 4GB DDR3 500GB ATI Radeon HD 5770 Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit - Retail - $920(will be in stock 12/14/09)

The specs that I posted came from a player in CS 1.6 that also builds Computers and gave my son those specs. No one on here gave them to me. Should have mentioned that. The guy that gave them to my son said he does something, cant remember with computers...fixing them and such and has a degree. He gave those specs and said they would be gret for CS 1.6.

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"The specs that I posted came from a player in CS 1.6 that also builds Computers and gave my son those specs. No one on here gave them to me. Should have mentioned that. The guy that gave them to my son said he does something, cant remember with computers...fixing them and such and has a degree. He gave those specs and said they would be gret for CS 1.6."

Lol, Cs 1.6 can be played on a Pc made back in 2000. Trust me that ibuypower is better then my Pc and I can play any game out there on high just fine. That guy from that player that gave all of parts. He was just spit balling high priced parts that you dont even need. That 5770 will play any game out there just fine. Plus Ive been fixing,building Pc's for myself and others for 10+ years.