Hi, I currently have a cheap(no brand) wireless mouse and wondering if a new gaming mouse can really make you better in games like FPS games, etc. I play these games: Bad company 2, MW2, CSS, every source game. Thanks
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I've used wireless mice, wired microsoft mice, and wired Razer gaming mice. So far I've been the most satisfied with a plain old Microsoft basic optical mouse v. 2.0. I can't stand replacing the batteries for a wireless mouse (plus my desktop computer and mouse stay in the same place anyways, no benefit to wireless), and there is more lag than a wired mouse. I didn't like the Lachesis because it was too big and heavy, and had a ton of buttons all over it that I kept hitting on accident. Plain and simple is my recommendation.
[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]So DPI doesnt matter? like is there a noticeable difference between a 2000dpi and a 800? It just makes your mouse move faster or slower...all this precision stuff is BS.,,it all comes down to skill. 800dpi is more than capable for fast movements or precise sniper shots. The only people who really need gaming mice are gaming professionals that have gaming down to an art.I prefer just using a cheap 800dpi microsoft mouse.
orrytur
Gaming mice don't make you any better at games; they just provide some bells and whistles that can be convenient for gaming and perhaps normal use, such as extra buttons and higher DPI. Extra thumb buttons can help relocate some key bindings that you use often or might be on an awkward position on the keyboard, and DPI is handy for me since my desk space is severely cramped. Otherwise, though, as far as tracking and performance in games, it doesn't improve anything else for me.
The G500 I'm using right now is alright, but my favorite mouse was always the Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical. Clean and simple design, built to last (I had mine for five years), and tracking that's on par with any gaming mouse. Maybe when I get a bigger desk, I'll get another one.
This should enlighten you.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/does-dpi-matter-in-gaming-mice-one-mouse-maker-says-no.ars
Though the article says that 800 dpi is fine I do prefer at least 1200 dpi. My current Logitech G500 can do well above that but I usually have its dpi toned down quite a bit.
Before my Logitech mice I had a generic VPR matrix mouse. Long story short, it sucked and had really bad issues with twitch movement.
Over all get a quality brand within your budget. It does make a difference.
800dpi is more than capable for fast movements or precise sniper shots. Daytona_178Actually it was possible to max out some old optical mice though that was due to the low IPS, the sensor couldn't track fast enough so the pointer would just jerk about randomly. Also a lot of the pros use basic mice, the Starcraft pros are big fans of those little laptop mice you can get, the best in that catogary is the Razer Abysuss Asian Edition though TBH that's just a high quality cheap laptop mouse (non-glossy for better grip). Personally i really like gaming mice as i always use high DPI that pretty much everyone else finds unusable, i use fingertip grip whilst gaming which demands high DPI due to the very small movement area. This grip is also a pain to find in regular mice as they're pretty much all designed for palm grip. Remember your mouse is the interface between the PC and you so you have to consider if a mouse is right for you as well as the PC, there really isn't any general answer.
Not suprising, SS really loves their pros. Most people find it impossible to use anything over 1600dpi and i know SC pros use 400-800dpi and Fatal1ty used 800dpi, Heaton has recently brought out a mouse that tops out at 2000dpi but realistically he uses 1600dpi at max.This should enlighten you.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/does-dpi-matter-in-gaming-mice-one-mouse-maker-says-no.ars
tequilasunriser
If nothing else its nice to have more than 3 buttons on a mouse. Thumb buttons have become invaluable to me when looking on the net. bonafidetkGreat for folder navigation too, would be good if i had more buttons so i could bind a couple to copy and paste too.
The difference of "precision" from one dpi to the next I have honestly never noticed. However I still use the Logitech MX518 and the reason I do and still recommend it to others is the button placement, on the fly sensitivity switching control and most importantly the way it feels in my hand. Does it make me a better point-and-clicker? Not enough to justify the cost if it does! But I'd spend money on it any day for the features that count.
EDIT: I was sure I read 2012 on the OP's post... Damn necros.
A gaming oriented mouse is worth it. They don't make you better at gaming, but they make stuff more convenient.
Extra buttons, adjustable weight, on the fly DPI switching, multiple profiles, stuff like this is very handy to have in a mouse and I'm sure most of the people saying they're not worth if have never actually used such a mouse.
Any wired mouse is better than a wireless mouse for gaming. I think any decent mouse that feels nice in your hand will be enough, though I'm a d*ck and spent a **** load on a Steelseries Sensei mouse, which probably isn't the most responsible way to spend your cash but it's a really nice mouse if you like customization.
Gaming specific mice are just marketing gimmicks. However, a wired mouse would be an improvement over your wireless mouse because the lag time will be reduced. Even if you don't notice it right now, you will notice it when you switch.
You should be going for how long a mouse will last rather than performance. My Razer Deathadder, which i bought because i thought it would be better for gaming when it wasn't, has lasted me 4 years which is longer than any other mouse I've had.
So it isn't that a gaming mouse is worth it, but that a quality mouse is worth it in the long run.
why so many mice thread bumps?
but people are still going to read this so:
superior quake live pro answer below
zubin should give a bf3 gai's reply
no dpi doesn't matter
i play on 450 dpi, fatal1ty plays on 400 dpi
most important is the shape and the sensor
i prefer claw grip mice, and you need a smallish mouse for that
hence i like the abyssus
if you have bigger hands, get a g9x like k1llsen, espylacopa, and zubin
same shape, just bigger
next is probably the response time. Most cheap mice are 125hz, you want 500hz-1000hz
and yeah
no they won't magically make you better
but they can make you aim a bit better
The only experience I have on this subject is when I changed my logitech M100 to a G400. Made a big difference, actually. I was pretty surprised.
it doesnt make you better in gaming but imo it worth spending up to $30-40 for a good gaming mouse Usually they are more ergonomically designed compared to a $5 mouse thus you can use hours end without pain on your palm and usually are higher quality build
Also imo Dpi does make a different ( in general use ) .
Having a high and adjustable dpi means i dont need a big mousepad to move my mouse around plus i really like high sensitivity ( though this depends from user to user ). Anything lower than 1800dpi for some reason i cant stand it
Also having a few extra buttons its kinda usefull. Besides using my 2 side buttons on my mouse on gaming ( usually for selecting a weapon or in case of RPG's a spell ) i use them in general use for copy/paste faction and really its usefull instead of right clicking and selecting copy then right clicking again to select paste )
Finally some other extras like adjustable weight can be usefull
I like changing my DPI on the fly. For example in Left 4 Dead 2, I like having my DPI between 1600 or 2000 when in normal mode.
Anytime I'm a tank though, I drop the DPI to like 800. My mouse supports changing the DPI with just a press of a button. :)
Rule of thumb is that you should buy a mouse that fits and feels good in your hand, the rest? that is not too important, some macros, and other needless things, that while "nice" does not make you better.
Wireless is a no go, the lag is horrible (at least i find that).
Also I'm tempted to buy a gaming mouse just for better acceleration (mine goes crazy if i move too fast).
I got a cheap Cyborg R.A.T. 3 and I love it for gaming and casual computing also.
It is really comfortable, it's 3200 dpi with makes it more sensitive and precise.
It has some additional, programmable buttons and a sleek look.
I guess You have to be good at gaming in order for it to make You actually even better.
It's not like it'll make You pwn those Noobs or anything..
This.I've used wireless mice, wired microsoft mice, and wired Razer gaming mice. So far I've been the most satisfied with a plain old Microsoft basic optical mouse v. 2.0. I can't stand replacing the batteries for a wireless mouse (plus my desktop computer and mouse stay in the same place anyways, no benefit to wireless), and there is more lag than a wired mouse. I didn't like the Lachesis because it was too big and heavy, and had a ton of buttons all over it that I kept hitting on accident. Plain and simple is my recommendation.
hartsickdiscipl
[QUOTE="orrytur"][QUOTE="Daytona_178"]So DPI doesnt matter? like is there a noticeable difference between a 2000dpi and a 800? It just makes your mouse move faster or slower...all this precision stuff is BS.,,it all comes down to skill. 800dpi is more than capable for fast movements or precise sniper shots. The only people who really need gaming mice are gaming professionals that have gaming down to an art.I got a Deathadder. It isnt just more sensitivity, its smoother to play on higher dpi. With lower dpi I see my aiming skip pixels.I prefer just using a cheap 800dpi microsoft mouse.
Daytona_178
It just makes your mouse move faster or slower...all this precision stuff is BS.,,it all comes down to skill. 800dpi is more than capable for fast movements or precise sniper shots. The only people who really need gaming mice are gaming professionals that have gaming down to an art.I got a Deathadder. It isnt just more sensitivity, its smoother to play on higher dpi. With lower dpi I see my aiming skip pixels. I've tried out a lot of gaming mice on different mouse settings as well as researched quite a bit on the topic and have played quite a few RTS and FPS competitively(in the sense of being in the top 2% of gamers), the sensor used for both the Razer Deathadder 3.5G and Razer Abyssus has no equal, it is by far the most accurate and tracks best at 1800 DPI which is what all competitive players using these(Razer) mice play at. As far as optical mice go, there's really only three mice to consider as far as sensors go: (four if you double count the two that share a sensor) the Razer DA/Abyssus, G400, and WMO overclocked to 1000hz, I currently use the G400 although I have the DA ready for vacation time when I'll have my tryhard pants on as for me it's a great fingertip mouse with an unmatched sensor however it requires constant cleaning because not only does it track your cursor better than any other mouse but it also tracks dirt better than any other mouse. The G400 sensor is superior to the WMO overclocked to 1000z by a good bit, honestly either you can say the WMO is overpriced or the G400 is underpriced since the G400 not only tracks better but it also has two side buttons and is good for fingertip grip once you get use to clicking the mouse buttons.[QUOTE="Daytona_178"][QUOTE="orrytur"]So DPI doesnt matter? like is there a noticeable difference between a 2000dpi and a 800?slipknot0129
I don't recommend the G9X, the sensor isn't that great even for a laser mouse and you don't get 1:1 precision for anything beyond sluggish mouse movement although it's extremely comfortable and highly customizable, for general use it's great.
yeah i listened to yz50 and zubin
1800 dpi feels better on abyssus and DA
also sens isn't linear
qq
1800/450 = 4
my ingame sens of 3/4 = .75
except it feels way more sensitive
acceleration isn't the same but I guess that should be expected since there is a formula for that somewhere on the QL forums.
It is linear for most multiplayer games, it could be that you're not use to (relatively) high DPI which is reasonable since DA/Abyssus are pretty much the only optical mice that are better on 800+ DPI settings than on 400/800 DPI, in fact I made the transition recently to the G400 and I found that it's best on 400 DPI so I basically had to multiply my in-game sensitivities by 4.5(originally was using 1800 DPI on DA). 1800 dpi will show 4x more movement counts over 450 DPI so to me using 400 DPI with the G400 right now makes the cursor movement feel sluggish especially compared to when I use laser mice like the R.A.T 7 at 6400 dpi or the G9X at 5700 dpi(I don't recommend either mouse both have awful sensors with respect to large and rapid mouse movements although they're nice for long range head sniping in games such as BF3 and Planetside 2 which is where laser sensors shine although the G9X is a little too small).yeah i listened to yz50 and zubin
JigglyWiggly_
1800 dpi feels better on abyssus and DA
also sens isn't linear
1800/450 = 4
my ingame sens of 3/4 = .75
except it feels way more sensitive
acceleration isn't the same but I guess that should be expected since there is a formula for that somewhere on the QL forums.
[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]It is linear for most multiplayer games, it could be that you're not use to (relatively) high DPI which is reasonable since DA/Abyssus are pretty much the only optical mice that are better on 800+ DPI settings than on 400/800 DPI, in fact I made the transition recently to the G400 and I found that it's best on 400 DPI so I basically had to multiply my in-game sensitivities by 4.5(originally was using 1800 DPI on DA). 1800 dpi will show 4x more movement counts over 450 DPI so to me using 400 DPI with the G400 right now makes the cursor movement feel sluggish especially compared to when I use laser mice like the R.A.T 7 at 6400 dpi or the G9X at 5700 dpi(I don't recommend either mouse both have awful sensors with respect to large and rapid mouse movements although they're nice for long range head sniping in games such as BF3 and Planetside 2 which is where laser sensors shine although the G9X is a little too small). I used a logitech g5 and when I bought a g500 I was pretty disappointed with it. Ended up getting a deathadder 3.5g and I really like it. I'm used to playing on 400dpi because I have a big mouse pad and sometimes shaky hands, how would I make using the higher DPI more useable in say CS:GO? I'm already at the games 3 out of 10 in the games sensitivity slider.yeah i listened to yz50 and zubin
Zubinen
1800 dpi feels better on abyssus and DA
also sens isn't linear
1800/450 = 4
my ingame sens of 3/4 = .75
except it feels way more sensitive
acceleration isn't the same but I guess that should be expected since there is a formula for that somewhere on the QL forums.
[QUOTE="Zubinen"][QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]It is linear for most multiplayer games, it could be that you're not use to (relatively) high DPI which is reasonable since DA/Abyssus are pretty much the only optical mice that are better on 800+ DPI settings than on 400/800 DPI, in fact I made the transition recently to the G400 and I found that it's best on 400 DPI so I basically had to multiply my in-game sensitivities by 4.5(originally was using 1800 DPI on DA). 1800 dpi will show 4x more movement counts over 450 DPI so to me using 400 DPI with the G400 right now makes the cursor movement feel sluggish especially compared to when I use laser mice like the R.A.T 7 at 6400 dpi or the G9X at 5700 dpi(I don't recommend either mouse both have awful sensors with respect to large and rapid mouse movements although they're nice for long range head sniping in games such as BF3 and Planetside 2 which is where laser sensors shine although the G9X is a little too small). I used a logitech g5 and when I bought a g500 I was pretty disappointed with it. Ended up getting a deathadder 3.5g and I really like it. I'm used to playing on 400dpi because I have a big mouse pad and sometimes shaky hands, how would I make using the higher DPI more useable in say CS:GO? I'm already at the games 3 out of 10 in the games sensitivity slider. type sensitivity in console and divide it by 4 it probably won't feel the same. you can get a ruler to get it exactly the same as you had before to do a 360. I just mostly felt it out by running my mouse across my mousepad. .4 @ 1800 dpi seems to be the same as 3 at 450 dpiyeah i listened to yz50 and zubin
achilles614
1800 dpi feels better on abyssus and DA
also sens isn't linear
1800/450 = 4
my ingame sens of 3/4 = .75
except it feels way more sensitive
acceleration isn't the same but I guess that should be expected since there is a formula for that somewhere on the QL forums.
Most people will use between 800-1200 dpi, so most common mouses that are usually around 800 are okay. My mouse has five settings from 600 to 3600 and that's what I usually use. 1600 is to much for me and the 2000 and 3600 are basically to have a laugh. In the end it is just an easy to access sensibility tool.
Damn just noticed. Necro!!!111
Most people will use between 800-1200 dpi, so most common mouses that are usually around 800 are okay. My mouse has five settings from 600 to 3600 and that's what I usually use. 1600 is to much for me and the 2000 and 3600 are basically to have a laugh. In the end it is just an easy to access sensibility tool.
Damn just noticed. Necro!!!111
glez13
My corsair mouse is at 2400 DPI right now... not sure what you're talking about...
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