GeForce 8800 vs Radeon X2900

Which one is better?

Here the result

http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/news/ym%2BclZqZwpma/Wederom_Radeon_HD_2900_benchmarks/

But i can't belive it

Reason - X2900XT is better than X2900XTX

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

the xt beating the xtx was reported to be caused by problems with the GDDR4 memory in the xtx. 

what a stupid question. Sure X2900XTX beats 8800GTX, nVidia is developing Ultras to counter x2900XTX Shegevara

Did you even read the link? Or the thread? 

The 8800 GTX is still king - and I've always owned ATI...switching soon.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

The 8800 GTX is still king - and I've always owned ATI...switching soon.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

 

guylapierre

thanks for the linkify, posted previously in my post above :) 

The 8800 GTX is still king - and I've always owned ATI...switching soon.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

guylapierre

I've got an X1900XT as well, but I really don't feel the need to switch just yet - you should do like me and try to hold off for the 8900 series cards at the very least. You've got what was the best card 6 months ago - there's really no need for you to get a new graphics card just yet. It's generally a good idea to skip a generation for a graphics card upgrade, unless you've got money to spend and really love maximum settings.

Actually, looking deeper at your rig, you should just wait until 2008 or so, and build an all-new quad-core machine then.

what a stupid question. Sure X2900XTX beats 8800GTX, nVidia is developing Ultras to counter x2900XTX Shegevara

lol, sorry to inform you there won't be any XTX. 

Did anyone realize that they used an overclocked 8800GTX card and not stock? If it was a fair comparison, they would have used stock vs stock. Anyways, I'm going to wait for ExtremeTech and MaximumPC to shove the benchmarks out.Cdscottie

It doesn't matter, the performance increase from stock to overclock is maximum about 11-17 percent, not gonna help the R600 one bit, lets add to the fact that the 8800 drivers are bleh, so a card with crappy drivers, 6 months older still manages to trump the 2900xtx? ouch.  

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"]Did anyone realize that they used an overclocked 8800GTX card and not stock? If it was a fair comparison, they would have used stock vs stock. Anyways, I'm going to wait for ExtremeTech and MaximumPC to shove the benchmarks out.jfelisario

It doesn't matter, the performance increase from stock to overclock is maximum about 11-17 percent, not gonna help the R600 one bit, lets add to the fact that the 8800 drivers are bleh, so a card with crappy drivers, 6 months older still manages to trump the 2900xtx? ouch.  

75mhz OC!  lol.  Anyway, I am waiting for Anandtech to get something definitive out.

[QUOTE="jfelisario"]

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"]Did anyone realize that they used an overclocked 8800GTX card and not stock? If it was a fair comparison, they would have used stock vs stock. Anyways, I'm going to wait for ExtremeTech and MaximumPC to shove the benchmarks out.Taijiquan

It doesn't matter, the performance increase from stock to overclock is maximum about 11-17 percent, not gonna help the R600 one bit, lets add to the fact that the 8800 drivers are bleh, so a card with crappy drivers, 6 months older still manages to trump the 2900xtx? ouch.

75mhz OC! lol. Anyway, I am waiting for Anandtech to get something definitive out.

Yeah, they were limited in their time with it, so they had to make the best out of the situation they had. On a quick note, Dailytech is affiliated with Anandtech, heck they have the story out on their own page lol, and many Dailytech guys are Anandtech veterans. 

[QUOTE="Taijiquan"][QUOTE="jfelisario"]

[QUOTE="Cdscottie"]Did anyone realize that they used an overclocked 8800GTX card and not stock? If it was a fair comparison, they would have used stock vs stock. Anyways, I'm going to wait for ExtremeTech and MaximumPC to shove the benchmarks out.jfelisario

It doesn't matter, the performance increase from stock to overclock is maximum about 11-17 percent, not gonna help the R600 one bit, lets add to the fact that the 8800 drivers are bleh, so a card with crappy drivers, 6 months older still manages to trump the 2900xtx? ouch.

75mhz OC! lol. Anyway, I am waiting for Anandtech to get something definitive out.

Yeah, they were limited in their time with it, so they had to make the best out of the situation they had. On a quick note, Dailytech is affiliated with Anandtech, heck they have the story out on their own page lol, and many Dailytech guys are Anandtech veterans. 

Yea, but I am most interested in Gary ripping these cards apart and explaining what happened.  I also want to see how well the XTX and XT Scale at higher resolutions.  I am curious if the Bus will help or it just comes down to how powerful the shaders are.   

what a stupid question. Sure X2900XTX beats 8800GTX, nVidia is developing Ultras to counter x2900XTX Shegevara

You saw the results

AMD products is not good also I'm not trusting AMD products .

I'm always nVidia & Intel fan

Anyway GeForce 8800 is better than Radeon X2900

like Core 2 Duo is better than Athlon X2

[QUOTE="guylapierre"]

The 8800 GTX is still king - and I've always owned ATI...switching soon.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

RayvinAzn

I've got an X1900XT as well, but I really don't feel the need to switch just yet - you should do like me and try to hold off for the 8900 series cards at the very least. You've got what was the best card 6 months ago - there's really no need for you to get a new graphics card just yet. It's generally a good idea to skip a generation for a graphics card upgrade, unless you've got money to spend and really love maximum settings.

Actually, looking deeper at your rig, you should just wait until 2008 or so, and build an all-new quad-core machine then.

[QUOTE="guylapierre"]

The 8800 GTX is still king - and I've always owned ATI...switching soon.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

RayvinAzn

I've got an X1900XT as well, but I really don't feel the need to switch just yet - you should do like me and try to hold off for the 8900 series cards at the very least. You've got what was the best card 6 months ago - there's really no need for you to get a new graphics card just yet. It's generally a good idea to skip a generation for a graphics card upgrade, unless you've got money to spend and really love maximum settings.

Actually, looking deeper at your rig, you should just wait until 2008 or so, and build an all-new quad-core machine then.

8900's, when will the be releasing?

[QUOTE="RayvinAzn"][QUOTE="guylapierre"]

The 8800 GTX is still king - and I've always owned ATI...switching soon.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

ATLReppa770

I've got an X1900XT as well, but I really don't feel the need to switch just yet - you should do like me and try to hold off for the 8900 series cards at the very least. You've got what was the best card 6 months ago - there's really no need for you to get a new graphics card just yet. It's generally a good idea to skip a generation for a graphics card upgrade, unless you've got money to spend and really love maximum settings.

Actually, looking deeper at your rig, you should just wait until 2008 or so, and build an all-new quad-core machine then.

8900's, when will the be releasing?

Nothing on it yet :) It's all 8800 ultra buzz right now, may 1st for some reviews, and 15th of may for the release, purportedly.

Dudes, just hang out for a second..... JUST THINK......:idea:

**How in your mind do you think that a multimillion company ( AMD) would release a delayed product that cannot handle the competition???? 

**Do you think they haven't even tested their thing ( R600) a thousand times against the G80????

 IMO all this news are confusing and are disturbing pc gamers decisions about buying a new videocard,  just let the fanboism apart, and use simple marketing knowledge, it 's impossible for a  company to release  a lower performer product than his competitors, even more impossible if that product has BETTER SPECS IN EVERY ASPECT....

Plz for God sake, wait until May 14 and the rain of benchmarks from legit sites and then make final judgments about the product.

 PD: You guys need to grow up and use your head when this kind of news appear on the web, be pacient and you'll see real results.  In the end, if ATI  still get bad scores when their products are released officially, then they are screwed up big time.

Just wait IMO....;) 

 

Dudes, just hang out for a second..... JUST THINK......:idea:

**How in your mind do you think that a multimillion company ( AMD) would release a delayed product that cannot handle the competition???? 

**Do you think they haven't even tested their thing ( R600) a thousand times against the G80????

 IMO all this news are confusing and are disturbing pc gamers decisions about buying a new videocard,  just let the fanboism apart, and use simple marketing knowledge, it 's impossible for a  company to release  a lower performer product than his competitors, even more impossible if that product has BETTER SPECS IN EVERY ASPECT....

Plz for God sake, wait until May 14 and the rain of benchmarks from legit sites and then make final judgments about the product.

 PD: You guys need to grow up and use your head when this kind of news appear on the web, be pacient and you'll see real results.  In the end, if ATI  still get bad scores when their products are released officially, then they are screwed up big time.

 

Just wait IMO....;) 

  

perl2000

Man, i think you know what i'm trying to say. But anyway, 'bout your post, i'm a big fan of intel, letting any fanboyism apart, i know that the recently released X2 5600, X2 6000 are not the real competiton for the core 2 duos, simple because they share the same architecture released a few years when the first X2 line appeared. IMO, the new K10 will be the real competition for Intel, besides it will be fantastic if they perform a lot better than the X6800 and QX6700's, etc...just because us, consumers will benefit from it...

How??...............LOWER PRICES.... Just think if nvidia would become a monopoly to the market, releasing top of line products better than competitors, consumers will have to deal with that and depend on the high prices, like it or not.

There is just a simple example about this theory, INTEL and AMD, i remember when the athlon X2 4800 was priced at $ 800 ( out of my league), then the Conroes where released, now take a look on the web and watch the actual price of the 4800!!, did you find it??, yeah.. you read it right: $ 165 bucks!!!, now that it's a huge benefit for consumers, and because of that i'm enjoying now my e6600 for cheap and the performance of a high end part...

My 2 cents...

 

Dudes, just hang out for a second..... JUST THINK......:idea:

**How in your mind do you think that a multimillion company ( AMD) would release a delayed product that cannot handle the competition????

**Do you think they haven't even tested their thing ( R600) a thousand times against the G80????

IMO all this news are confusing and are disturbing pc gamers decisions about buying a new videocard, just let the fanboism apart, and use simple marketing knowledge, it 's impossible for a company to release a lower performer product than his competitors, even more impossible if that product has BETTER SPECS IN EVERY ASPECT....

Plz for God sake, wait until May 14 and the rain of benchmarks from legit sites and then make final judgments about the product.

PD: You guys need to grow up and use your head when this kind of news appear on the web, be pacient and you'll see real results. In the end, if ATI still get bad scores when their products are released officially, then they are screwed up big time.

 

Just wait IMO....;)

 

perl2000

We've had many moments where the gpu-makers just flopped terribly to one-up the competition, NV30 (GeForce FX), Radeon x1800 anyone? This is not unprecedented at all, don't think any company is infallible, AMD/ATI was taken with their pants down is round. Dailytech is reputable enough to be affiliated with the likes of Anandtech, which many guys here will swear by, and its no point fudging this, but you have a great point, just wait for the thing to go retail, but i don't expect much difference anyways. 

Man, i think you know what i'm trying to say. But anyway, 'bout your post, i'm a big fan of intel, letting any fanboyism apart, i know that the recently released X2 5600, X2 6000 are not the real competiton for the core 2 duos, simple because they share the same architecture released a few years when the first X2 line appeared. IMO, the new K10 will be the real competition for Intel, besides it will be fantastic if they perform a lot better than the X6800 and QX6700's, etc...just because us, consumers will benefit from it...

 How??...............LOWER PRICES....   Just think if nvidia would become a monopoly to the market, releasing  top of line products better than competitors, consumers will have to deal with that and depend on the high prices, like it or not.

There is just a simple example about this theory, INTEL and AMD, i remember when the athlon X2 4800 was priced at $ 800 ( out of my league), the the Conroes where released, now take a look on the web and watch the actual price of the 4800!!, did you find it??, yea.. you read it right: $ 165 bucks!!!, now that it's a huge benefit for consumers, and because of that i'm enjoying my e6600 for cheap and the performance of a igh end part...

My 2 cents... 

perl2000

Man, i think you know what i'm trying to say. But anyway, 'bout your post, i'm a big fan of intel, letting any fanboyism apart, i know that the recently released X2 5600, X2 6000 are not the real competiton for the core 2 duos, simple because they share the same architecture released a few years when the first X2 line appeared. IMO, the new K10 will be the real competition for Intel, besides it will be fantastic if they perform a lot better than the X6800 and QX6700's, etc...just because us, consumers will benefit from it...

How??...............LOWER PRICES.... Just think if nvidia would become a monopoly to the market, releasing top of line products better than competitors, consumers will have to deal with that and depend on the high prices, like it or not.

There is just a simple example about this theory, INTEL and AMD, i remember when the athlon X2 4800 was priced at $ 800 ( out of my league), the the Conroes where released, now take a look on the web and watch the actual price of the 4800!!, did you find it??, yea.. you read it right: $ 165 bucks!!!, now that it's a huge benefit for consumers, and because of that i'm enjoying my e6600 for cheap and the performance of a igh end part...

My 2 cents...

perl2000

That's their only avenue, but its not to say that intel or nvidia prices are locked down. They will have their price cuts, of course, to contend with the AMD/ATI threat, we've seen some Intel price cuts already, more of those to come in q3 2007 and I can only imagine Nvidia will do the same to remain competitive. 

  Now you wan't to see x2900XTX to be OCed to the hell like 8800GTX was, or compare stock to stock.

I wonder why is your logic against price cutting, just because you are nVidia fans. I have nvidia, but i'd like x2900XTX to kill 8800GTX, just because prices will go down and more people could afford those card, and game developers will notice that, and will start to make even more graphics intensive games, but I somehow feel, that everyone would like that 8800GTXs will stay in heaven prices, just because of it's nVidia. 

And another thing that i have encountered was that they have complained how 8800GTX with crappy drivers could easily beat x2900XTX. Not need to say the AMDs one was even just a retail, 8800GTX was OCed, and don't you think AMD could release better drivers if so. It didn't even ship in stores, and not even soon. They will have some time to glance those drivers so does nVidia. Then we will see who is the king in dx10 aplications 

You guys r dreaming, did u ever think why the hell Ati will release their r600 if its not better than the GTX?

R600 will be stronger than the GTX, and that is for sure.

PS. I AM a big fan of Nvidia

i guess you haven't seen the preliminary benchies avril :P

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7052

Take it as it is, given its not even out yet, and has been pushed back to q3 2007 for "obvious" reasons. 

Did you saw the Intel's new CPU

Quad Core 1333FSB, 12MB Cache, 3.33GHz .

Intel is better than AMD.

Yes we will see who is the king in DX10 application.

It will be nVidia 

Did you saw the Intel's new CPU

Quad Core 1333FSB, 12MB Cache, 3.33GHz .

Intel is better than AMD.

LahiruD

I suppose you've got all the specs on AMD's new processors, along with a full sheet on its architecture, floating-point processing power, power consumption, upgrades to the onboard memory controller, and all that information too?

Because last time there was a GHz pissing contest, Intel soundly got its ass handed to it.

[QUOTE="LahiruD"]

Did you saw the Intel's new CPU

Quad Core 1333FSB, 12MB Cache, 3.33GHz .

Intel is better than AMD.

RayvinAzn

I suppose you've got all the specs on AMD's new processors, along with a full sheet on its architecture, floating-point processing power, power consumption, upgrades to the onboard memory controller, and all that information too?

Because last time there was a GHz pissing contest, Intel soundly got its ass handed to it.

you gotta admit though, with penryn rumors buzzing for a q3 2007 release that just compounds to AMD's problems, they need Barcelona to trump intel's offerings this round. 

you gotta admit though, with penryn rumors buzzing for a q3 2007 release that just compounds to AMD's problems, they need Barcelona to trump intel's offerings this round.

jfelisario

I agree, but two companies is too close to a monopoly for my taste - I'd much rather see four or five competing companies than just two, especially when one is now responsible for two very important sectors of the market and is on the brink.

And to be fair, the onboard memory controller is keeping AMD very competitive in the server sector, which is a very healthy portion of sales. 

[QUOTE="jfelisario"]

you gotta admit though, with penryn rumors buzzing for a q3 2007 release that just compounds to AMD's problems, they need Barcelona to trump intel's offerings this round.

RayvinAzn

I agree, but two companies is too close to a monopoly for my taste - I'd much rather see four or five competing companies than just two, especially when one is now responsible for two very important sectors of the market and is on the brink.

And to be fair, the onboard memory controller is keeping AMD very competitive in the server sector, which is a very healthy portion of sales.

Agreed on the lack of choices, I'm very troubled by this, especially the AMD/ATI merger, and in the back of my "conspiracy theory" mind area, it would be scary to find out that intel and nvidia are secretly working, at least in a limited kind of way, perhaps through release times of their products, to down their common enemy, DAAMIT. That would leave a single monopoly in both the cpu and gpu sectors, not good at all (see: Microsoft), yeah that's just some random ramblings that is all in the likely just wishful thinking, but the consequences of AMD/ATI stumbling is all to evident and clear. 

Agreed on the lack of choices, I'm very troubled by this, especially the AMD/ATI merger, and in the back of my "conspiracy theory" mind area, it would be scary to find out that intel and nvidia are secretly working, at least in a limited kind of way, perhaps through release times of their products, to down their common enemy, DAAMIT. That would leave a single monopoly in both the cpu and gpu sectors, not good at all (see: Microsoft), yeah that's just some random ramblings that is all in the likely just wishful thinking, but the consequences of AMD/ATI stumbling is all to evident and clear.

jfelisario

Exactly - people that are cheering for AMD/ATI to go under really don't have any idea what the consequences would be of that failure. Higher prices, less progress, and basically free reign to do whatever they want - go ahead and see if your favourite company really cares about you without any competition. 

Switched from X1900XT to an 8800 GTX OC. I am the proud owner of my first Nvidia card! My brand loyalty ended today. If AMD doesn't get their act together on the CPUs, I could be an Intel owner in the fall.guylapierre

I'm not even sure why you bothered getting rid of an X1900XT card - it's not as if there's a ton of games you won't be running max. 

[QUOTE="guylapierre"]Switched from X1900XT to an 8800 GTX OC. I am the proud owner of my first Nvidia card! My brand loyalty ended today. If AMD doesn't get their act together on the CPUs, I could be an Intel owner in the fall.RayvinAzn

I'm not even sure why you bothered getting rid of an X1900XT card - it's not as if there's a ton of games you won't be running max. 

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D. HAHAHAHAHA. HD 2900 XTX is slower than 8800 GTX.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D. HAHAHA. And you all were saying that it will EASILY beat 8800 GTX. You see now. I have my 8800 GTX for 6 months now, and i also expected that 2900 XTX will easily beat 8800 GTX. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D.

I cant stop laughing. HAHAHA. LOL. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D.................................

domke13

Enjoying those DX10 that much, huh?

Oh wait... :|

You guys r dreaming, did u ever think why the hell Ati will release their r600 if its not better than the GTX?

R600 will be stronger than the GTX, and that is for sure.

PS. I AM a big fan of Nvidia

I've been thinking about that too.

What if AMD gave a dud version of the card to DT to cause some trouble, while the real R600 is still behind closed doors? It's a long shot, but still it's a possibility. Remember all the crap that Nintendo pulled with the Wii? People thought that the console was doomed because of its name and its lack of specs, yet it turned out to be an awesome product.

Oh well, even if my theory is wrong, I'll go for the HD 2900 XT. That thing soundly beats the 8800GTS. :) 

[QUOTE="domke13"]

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D. HAHAHAHAHA. HD 2900 XTX is slower than 8800 GTX.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D. HAHAHA. And you all were saying that it will EASILY beat 8800 GTX. You see now. I have my 8800 GTX for 6 months now, and i also expected that 2900 XTX will easily beat 8800 GTX. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D.

I cant stop laughing. HAHAHA. LOL. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D.................................

Wesker776

Enjoying those DX10 that much, huh?

Oh wait... :|

You guys r dreaming, did u ever think why the hell Ati will release their r600 if its not better than the GTX?

R600 will be stronger than the GTX, and that is for sure.

PS. I AM a big fan of Nvidia

I've been thinking about that too.

What if AMD gave a dud version of the card to DT to cause some trouble, while the real R600 is still behind closed doors? It's a long shot, but still it's a possibility. Remember all the crap that Nintendo pulled with the Wii? People thought that the console was doomed because of its name and its lack of specs, yet it turned out to be an awesome product.

Oh well, even if my theory is wrong, I'll go for the HD 2900 XT. That thing soundly beats the 8800GTS. :)

And we all know what kind of graphics is coming out of the Wii... last gen. 

Proof? From what I have seen it can barely, and sometimes doesn't,  beat the 2900XT.guylapierre

yeah though I doubt AMD/ATI will release it like that

Don't underestimate AMD you guys. Remember, they absolutley trounced Intel for TEN YEARS with their K8 architecture. AMD isn't stupid they had the largest microprocessor manufacturer, the one who defeated IBM, at their feet. They have something up their sleeves.

Consider this. AMD as had much more then six months to research and develop the HD 2xxx series. Do you really think that the problems that the HD 2900XTX are facing NOW were not seen months ago? This is AMD's baby, their answer to the G80 they obviously tested it many times against the G80 in it's pre-stage and development. I'm not one for conspiracy, but I wouldn't put it past AMD to blow smoke like this for publicity, it'd make sense seeing as how many people are content with their G80 cards. I'm sure many of those owners have heard about the HD 2900XTX now, and weather it was in a good or bad way I just know for a fact that things are never what they seem to be when you're looking at the underdog AMD.

x2900XTX HD its better than 8800GTX.henri1960

Your sure brainwashed.