germans read EULA's carefully apparently.. return BF3 in droves over spying

german pc gamers were in up in arms as it were over bf3 and origin. photos and video's psoted on the internet showed proof of origin gathering user data illegally and violating german privacy laws. it got even worse when (after careful reading) german pc gamers discovered that the EULA for origin contained clauses which claimed that by agreeing they could violate german privacy laws.

http://www.destructoid.com/german-gamers-returning-battlefield-3-over-spying-concern-214967.phtml

ea has corrected it they claim for the german people. i recommend re-reading that agreement you hastily said "accept" to earlier folks. just to be safe.

So they'll be "spying" on my gaming habits and browsing habits, or what? I'm too lazy to read it because quite frankly, I don't give a damn. They aren't gonna plant spyware or viruses on my PC, nor will they steal my CC info or bring down my computer.

Or is everyone up in arms again because they think Origin is gonna find their porn folder and tell everybody what it contains?

So they'll be "spying" on my gaming habits and browsing habits, or what? I'm too lazy to read it because quite frankly, I don't give a damn. They aren't gonna plant spyware or viruses on my PC, nor will they steal my CC info or bring down my computer.

Or is everyone up in arms again because they think Origin is gonna find their porn folder and tell everybody what it contains?

ChubbyGuy40

well basically if your phone was plugged in to yoru pc they could get a hold of your phone data as well as your phonebook and facebook info.

they were also gathering browsing history and a number of other things.

for "marketing purposes" (they were probably also selling it to marketing agencies)

Good to hear the Germans are standing up to this rubbish unlike other territories it seems (it's also a plus that the German PC maket is huge). Hopefully the Germans can force EA to do a re-think of this intrusive client.

Didn't find anything worth mentioning, except this for the terribly insecure that are despite all the challenges and obstacles among us here on this internet.

Q: Will my Origin games or entitlements ever expire?

The Origin terms of service are designed to protect against misuse of the Origin system. No Origin user who has paid entitlements and/or downloaded games will have their account cancelled or games expired due to extended non-use. The term regarding account cancellation for non-use is designed to guard against creation of non-active accounts for inappropriate reasons.

Funny you should mention phones ionusx, I wonder why would Origin check for the phones Origin users use, I bet it's not for the mobile platform they want to release.

This is a good thing. Maybe EA will stop force us to use Origin :DDarkblueNinja

Maybe Steam will also do that, maybe, just maybe, it's been more than a few years since it was made, but just maybe.

ea is gsurpassing activision in worst gaming companies thanks to this origin bs, forcing people who want to play bf3 to give up their privvacy.

well basically if your phone was plugged in to yoru pc they could get a hold of your phone data as well as your phonebook and facebook info.

they were also gathering browsing history and a number of other things.

for "marketing purposes" (they were probably also selling it to marketing agencies)

ionusX

And what proof of that was there?

Why would they sell it to other agencies? If they were, it's more than likely so they can advertise their own stuff.

They should be paying you for your personal information not the other way around.

Proof?

The whole argument from what I've seen is based on people wrongly interpreting Sysinternal's Process Monitor.

Origin goes through your files, but to check if you already have Origin games installed. It doesn't actually *read* any of the non-game files, it looks for specific ones to check whether certain games are installed.

This post explains it nicely.

german pc gamers were in up in arms as it were over bf3 and origin. photos and video's psoted on the internet showed proof of origin gathering user data illegally and violating german privacy laws. it got even worse when (after careful reading) german pc gamers discovered that the EULA for origin contained clauses which claimed that by agreeing they could violate german privacy laws.

http://www.destructoid.com/german-gamers-returning-battlefield-3-over-spying-concern-214967.phtml

ea has corrected it they claim for the german people. i recommend re-reading that agreement you hastily said "accept" to earlier folks. just to be safe.

ionusX

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

Just installed that extra useless piece of software, verdict? Origin has one single process, itself, Steam has two...oh the agony that is Origin, what it scans your PC the first time you install it? madness...I guess it's just like Steam, Desura, Impulse and others then.

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

Johnny_Rock

Yeah, and the police should also do routine cavity searches because the only people who need to worry are those hiding questionable items.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

metroidfood

Yeah, and the police should also do routine cavity searches because the only people who need to worry are those hiding questionable items.

lol they're that bored that they have to read my phone message and Facebook status updates. I became a fan of oranges on Facebook. biggest_loser

youre probably going to get an inbox full of sunny delight ads when ea sell that info on :shock:

There really isn't privacy on the internet, people just need to accept that

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

metroidfood

Yeah, and the police should also do routine cavity searches because the only people who need to worry are those hiding questionable items.

+1

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

well basically if your phone was plugged in to yoru pc they could get a hold of your phone data as well as your phonebook and facebook info.

they were also gathering browsing history and a number of other things.

for "marketing purposes" (they were probably also selling it to marketing agencies)

ChubbyGuy40

And what proof of that was there?

Why would they sell it to other agencies? If they were, it's more than likely so they can advertise their own stuff.

well like its very simple.. you have stolen data from a few thousand people centralized in 1 place. JC since the first time some company has gotten caught doing this theyve been giving the gathered data to other people for a price. facebook did it, onstar did it, a few gps makers and nokia have been caught doing this with their phones. and now your telling me that somehow ea is innocent of this? ninja prease

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

metroidfood

Yeah, and the police should also do routine cavity searches because the only people who need to worry are those hiding questionable items.

I agree with that statement completely.

Didn't find anything worth mentioning, except this for the terribly insecure that are despite all the challenges and obstacles among us here on this internet.

Q: Will my Origin games or entitlements ever expire?

The Origin terms of service are designed to protect against misuse of the Origin system. No Origin user who has paid entitlements and/or downloaded games will have their account cancelled or games expired due to extended non-use. The term regarding account cancellation for non-use is designed to guard against creation of non-active accounts for inappropriate reasons.

Funny you should mention phones ionusx, I wonder why would Origin check for the phones Origin users use, I bet it's not for the mobile platform they want to release.

[QUOTE="DarkblueNinja"]This is a good thing. Maybe EA will stop force us to use Origin :DDanielDust

Maybe Steam will also do that, maybe, just maybe, it's been more than a few years since it was made, but just maybe.

Why do people keep on comparing Origin with Steam? NO, it's not the same thing! Steam very clearly asks you if you will let it scan your pc and send over the info.

Stop comparing the 2 already.

Althout people are not even sure what exactly Origin "reads". Apparently someone found it even scans tax data, and that is just a little bit too much.
Personally I'm not really interested in EA games right now so I don't really have to think about this whole mess.

For those concerned about Origin and it finding your dirty porn, just sandbox it. Apparently it's effective.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

german pc gamers were in up in arms as it were over bf3 and origin. photos and video's psoted on the internet showed proof of origin gathering user data illegally and violating german privacy laws. it got even worse when (after careful reading) german pc gamers discovered that the EULA for origin contained clauses which claimed that by agreeing they could violate german privacy laws.

http://www.destructoid.com/german-gamers-returning-battlefield-3-over-spying-concern-214967.phtml

ea has corrected it they claim for the german people. i recommend re-reading that agreement you hastily said "accept" to earlier folks. just to be safe.

Johnny_Rock

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

thats is pure bs, so yeah because we don't have illegal stuff then lets just give up our privacy. nice thinking

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

german pc gamers were in up in arms as it were over bf3 and origin. photos and video's psoted on the internet showed proof of origin gathering user data illegally and violating german privacy laws. it got even worse when (after careful reading) german pc gamers discovered that the EULA for origin contained clauses which claimed that by agreeing they could violate german privacy laws.

http://www.destructoid.com/german-gamers-returning-battlefield-3-over-spying-concern-214967.phtml

ea has corrected it they claim for the german people. i recommend re-reading that agreement you hastily said "accept" to earlier folks. just to be safe.

Johnny_Rock

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

german pc gamers were in up in arms as it were over bf3 and origin. photos and video's psoted on the internet showed proof of origin gathering user data illegally and violating german privacy laws. it got even worse when (after careful reading) german pc gamers discovered that the EULA for origin contained clauses which claimed that by agreeing they could violate german privacy laws.

http://www.destructoid.com/german-gamers-returning-battlefield-3-over-spying-concern-214967.phtml

ea has corrected it they claim for the german people. i recommend re-reading that agreement you hastily said "accept" to earlier folks. just to be safe.

JigglyWiggly_

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

Proof?

The whole argument from what I've seen is based on people wrongly interpreting Sysinternal's Process Monitor.

Origin goes through your files, but to check if you already have Origin games installed. It doesn't actually *read* any of the non-game files, it looks for specific ones to check whether certain games are installed.

This post explains it nicely.

I'll save EA the time I guess:

I recently liked "Cuddling" and "Tim Tebow" on Facebook.

....That's all that's worth knowing on my laptop really.

This is why I won't be buying another thing from origin.

Is any computer game worth giving away your private details?

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

The only people that need worry about this are people that have questionable items on their PC's. And those people are making their presence quite known here... :|

DanielDust

Yeah, and the police should also do routine cavity searches because the only people who need to worry are those hiding questionable items.

Its a perfect example...You just cannot comprehend it

it's there loss not playing this sweet game. I do not understand why so many get worked up over thiscrap. All companys do this stuff it is called marketing. I just dont care

life is way to short to loos sleep over this harmless stuff. I don't wy but i find gamers to be some of the bigest cry babays in the world

it's there loss not playing this sweet game. I do not understand why so many get worked up over thiscrap. All companys do this stuff it is called marketing. I just dont care

life is way to short to loos sleep over this harmless stuff. I don't wy but i find gamers to be some of the bigest cry babays in the world

Addict187

Some people don't care about "this sweet game" as much as you do. To me it looks just like another generic boring military shooter.

It's actually quite funny how people keep bringing this argument up, as if this was the only good game on the planet.

it's there loss not playing this sweet game. I do not understand why so many get worked up over thiscrap. All companys do this stuff it is called marketing. I just dont care

life is way to short to loos sleep over this harmless stuff. I don't wy but i find gamers to be some of the bigest cry babays in the world

Addict187

it's the principle of allowing a company to have unrestricted access to your system. i cant work out if youre being deliberately obtuse or you're just naive.

if origin just scans for games installed then thats not too bad but if they scan for other things to assist in marketing then thats a step too far.

until we know the extent of their search algorithims and the data they collect i think pc gamers have every right to speak out against it. if we dont voice our opinion now then where will it end? it's called a personal computer for a reason

[QUOTE="Addict187"]

it's there loss not playing this sweet game. I do not understand why so many get worked up over thiscrap. All companys do this stuff it is called marketing. I just dont care

life is way to short to loos sleep over this harmless stuff. I don't wy but i find gamers to be some of the bigest cry babays in the world

Macutchi

it's the principle of allowing a company to have unrestricted access to your system. i cant work out if youre being deliberately obtuse or you're just naive.

if origin just scans for games installed then thats not too bad but if they scan for other things to assist in marketing then thats a step too far.

until we know the extent of their search algorithims and the data they collect i think pc gamers have every right to speak out against it. if we dont voice our opinion now then where will it end? it's called a personal computer for a reason

it's there loss not playing this sweet game. I do not understand why so many get worked up over thiscrap. All companys do this stuff it is called marketing. I just dont care

life is way to short to loos sleep over this harmless stuff. I don't wy but i find gamers to be some of the bigest cry babays in the world

Addict187

I'm glad the German gamers are speaking out against this. Just shows to big name companies you can't get away with everything.