getting a new graphics card please help!!!!!!!

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#1 zhangweizheng3
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hey guys i wanna buy a new graphic card for my desktop, the last one i bought is the **** 8600gt 256mb 3 years ago

im looking for a good new card thats gonna last me a looooonnnnng time

which one is best in terms of both performance and price???? i don't really have a budget

also my current spec is:

Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 x2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ 3.00ghz

Memory (RAM): 6.00 GB

Graphics Card: Geforce 8600GT 256mb

so should i upgrade my cpu as well?? and if so what should i get

please leave suggestions thank u so much

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#2 zhangweizheng3
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also i was hoping to purchase before christmas so it might be cheaper

and the gfx card is for intense gaming, really wanna try out arma 2 and metro 2033

and i was wondering if i should use the 8600gt for sli or physx if possible

also im from sydney, australia

and my monitor is 22 inch with 1600x1050 native resolution and i dont plan to overclock the card

please leave advise

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#3 tequilasunriser
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My opinion on the best price/performance deal is the nVidia GTX 460 1GB.

They perform very well and have a lot of overclocking headroom for the average price of $200.

The next best option would be the AMD HD6870 at $240 which has similar performance.

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#4 Kendog87
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Hey im from sydney aswell, anyways i would go for a 460 cheapest ive seen is about $180

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#5 Kendog87
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this one is on special and its from a great store aswell http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/38081-engtx460-2di-768md5

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#6 zhangweizheng3
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hmm k, it seems 460 might be a good choice then, how does it compare with others, like the new 580 etc.

also i think i want the card more in terms of quality than price

like when i bought the 8600 it costs like 100 less than the 8800, but i have been regretting for the past few years since

the 8800 is leagues better, i dont want to make the same mistake again

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#7 kyalmon
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460 is a pretty good card, deff get it. Obv the 470, 480 would be better.
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#8 jernas
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hmm k, it seems 460 might be a good choice then, how does it compare with others, like the new 580 etc.

also i think i want the card more in terms of quality than price

like when i bought the 8600 it costs like 100 less than the 8800, but i have been regretting for the past few years since

the 8800 is leagues better, i dont want to make the same mistake again

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You won't make the same mistake with GTX 460.

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#9 C_Rule
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No budget eh? Drop some 480's in there.
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#10 zhangweizheng3
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thx guys for the replies, it looks like the 460 really is a bargain

im currently reading reviews on the card, which variation is the best???

also the reason i didn't have a budget is because i want a really good card which is gonna last me a long long time,

which will make the overall money spent to be smaller compared to upgrading again in a few years

also, what other cards are good, i wanna know more so i can compare them

and i forgot to put my power supplies up, this ismy power supply, i have no idea what they means so i just copied everything from the side

Cooler Master 460
Product No. RS-460-PCAR-A3
ATX F2V V2.3 W/O PFC

AC INPUT l 15/230V~10/6A 60/50HZ
DC OUTPUT l +3.3V l +5V l +12V1 l +12V2 l -12V l +5VSB
l 22A l 25A l 18A l 18A l 0.5A l 2.5A
MAX POWER l 165W l 312W l 6W l 12.5W

and what r some of the website u guys recommend for research, im currently looking at tomshardware

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#11 C_Rule
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thx guys for the replies, it looks like the 460 really is a bargain

im currently reading reviews on the card, which variation is the best???

also the reason i didn't have a budget is because i want a really good card which is gonna last me a long long time,

which will make the overall money spent to be smaller compared to upgrading again in a few years

also, what other cards are good, i wanna know more so i can compare them

and i forgot to put my power supplies up, this ismy power supply, i have no idea what they means so i just copied everything from the side

Cooler Master 460
Product No. RS-460-PCAR-A3
ATX F2V V2.3 W/O PFC

AC INPUT l 15/230V~10/6A 60/50HZ
DC OUTPUT l +3.3V l +5V l +12V1 l +12V2 l -12V l +5VSB
l 22A l 25A l 18A l 18A l 0.5A l 2.5A
MAX POWER l 165W l 312W l 6W l 12.5W

and what r some of the website u guys recommend for research, im currently looking at tomshardware

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I don't really think that PSU will cut it for a GTX 460, I'd go with at least 550w.

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#12 zhangweizheng3
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aww this hurts, been hearing so many good things about gtx460

what is my current watts and how much do i need to handle 460????

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#13 C_Rule
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aww this hurts, been hearing so many good things about gtx460

what is my current watts and how much do i need to handle 460????

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That is a 460 watt PSU. I wouldn't pair a 460 with anything lower than 550w.
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#14 zhangweizheng3
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hmm it looks like the gtx460 requires at least 450 watts

so it means i will be running it at a minimum right???

does it damage the gtx460 if i decide to keep the current power supply??

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#15 partytimekegs
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I got the GTX 470 and couldn't be happier.

It also came with a Starcraft 2 trial and a Mafia 2 game.

It was kind of expensive, way more than the 460, but I have it overclocked nearly to a 480's performance and it remains under 60 Celcius. (Even at load. My room stays at a constant 70 F and I use wind tunnel systems in my antec 900.)

It also comes with EVGA's lifetime warranty and step up program. (In case something ridiculous comes out and I have to have it.)

My CPU is an OC'ed Q6600 at 3ghz and it never goes about 50 celcius. :D

My ram isn't noteworthy.. been thinking about bumping it up to something nice at 6gbs.

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#16 partytimekegs
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Don't even bother with low power supplies.

Just get a nice corsair or something modular and treat yourself to some amazing cable management. :D

I run a single GTX 470 in my OC rig but I decided to get a 850 Corsair PSU with 80%+ Efficiency because my last one wouldn't run all my fans with my setup.

So glad I upgraded.. last PSU was junk.

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#17 partytimekegs
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If you are interested my buddy has a spare PSU that came out of his Alienware Area-51 that he is selling on Craigslist.

It has 530-550 continuous Watts. (It was labeled at 750 Peak.)

If you want I could ask him if you could buy it from him.

He was wanting to sell it for 50$ and its a Turbo Cool 550W. (Google? :P)

I've read reviews and apparently Turbo Cool is a very worthy brand and has a no-nonsense policy about their PSU's. (Not labeling something at 900W to only have a true Wattage of 500. Remember, Watts = Volts * Amps)

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#18 partytimekegs
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Today on Newegg, and today only..I think, they have a Black November sale going on for 10% off Corsair PSU's and 20% off Antec PSU's.

Might want to go over and check it out.. looks interesting.

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#19 zhangweizheng3
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hmm im from australia so is there an AU equivelent of newegg??? im fine with whichever site is cheaper

so upgrading the PSU is a must right???

is getting the newer gfx card and psu better or getting the gfx card compaitable with the current psu

which is gonna be best for performance/cost in the long run

also what is the standard price of psu that can handle gtx460?? would be nice in terms of $AU so i can get an idea how much it cost

tyvm for the reply!!!

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#20 C_Rule
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hmm im from australia so is there an AU equivelent of newegg??? im fine with whichever site is cheaper

so upgrading the PSU is a must right???

is getting the newer gfx card and psu better or getting the gfx card compaitable with the current psu

which is gonna be best for performance/cost in the long run

also what is the standard price of psu that can handle gtx460?? would be nice in terms of $AU so i can get an idea how much it cost

tyvm for the reply!!!

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Try Umart or PCCaseGear.
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#21 zhangweizheng3
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okay what psu do u guys recommend, ill probably stick with gtx460 and maybe i should upgrade my cpu as well

heres my motherboard and cpu info

System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: M56S-S3
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ (2 CPUs), ~3.0GHz

so yeah, what psu do u guys recommend and should i upgrade the cpu??? does my motherboard support quad core???

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#22 C_Rule
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Considering that Board doesn't allow for SLI/Crossfire, I'd just go for a 550w. Something from Antec or Cooler Master should be good and not cost too much.
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#23 angrules23
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I have the same psu as you and it only has 1 6pin connector and the 460 needs 2 i think. So you would have no choice but to get a new one which is what i'm gonna do when i upgrade from my piddly old 9800gt. Also if you live anywhere near the city centre in Sydney MSY is a great store to go to very cheap prices.
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#24 zhangweizheng3
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hmm my motherboard doesn't support SLI?? i think theres more than 1 slot for gfx card in the back, dammit was hoping of using the 8600gt for physics

also i live pretty close to city so i can go there and check it out, how does the store's price compared to buying online??? which is cheaper???

also what would be the best time to buy it, when will it be cheapest, is it before christmas???

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#25 zhangweizheng3
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sorry for double post, im also looking to buy a laptop for uni next year, does MSY have the best price, also what would be a good time to get the laptop

now or at back to school sale????

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#26 angrules23
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msy is best for pc component parts, i'm not sure about laptops but you can get some adequate ones that will do everything but play games from jbhifi. you can probably get some good deals at after xmas sales but its up to you and msy is great but you can't order online you just have to go there. Its quite cheap just google msy and check it out

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#27 tequilasunriser
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I have the same psu as you and it only has 1 6pin connector and the 460 needs 2 i think. So you would have no choice but to get a new oneangrules23

That's not necessarily true. He could try his luck with a Molex adapter. He'd be cutting it close to power requirements, but I've had friends that met or were actually "under" requirements and their rigs performed as intended.

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#28 Liam00148
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My opinion on the best price/performance deal is the nVidia GTX 460 1GB.

They perform very well and have a lot of overclocking headroom for the average price of $200.

The next best option would be the AMD HD6870 at $240 which has similar performance.

tequilasunriser

I believe it would be alot smarter to buy a 6870 1GB they out-perform the GTX 470 buy alot, they also use very little energy, and they are quiet, but dont get me wrong, this is one powerful card.

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#29 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]

My opinion on the best price/performance deal is the nVidia GTX 460 1GB.

They perform very well and have a lot of overclocking headroom for the average price of $200.

The next best option would be the AMD HD6870 at $240 which has similar performance.

Liam00148

I believe it would be alot smarter to buy a 6870 1GB they out-perform the GTX 470 buy alot, they also use very little energy, and they are quiet, but dont get me wrong, this is one powerful card.

Incorrect. 6870 do not out perform the 460, they have very similar performance, their energy use isn't much different to the 460 either.
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#30 tequilasunriser
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[QUOTE="tequilasunriser"]

My opinion on the best price/performance deal is the nVidia GTX 460 1GB.

They perform very well and have a lot of overclocking headroom for the average price of $200.

The next best option would be the AMD HD6870 at $240 which has similar performance.

Liam00148

I believe it would be alot smarter to buy a 6870 1GB they out-perform the GTX 470 buy alot, they also use very little energy, and they are quiet, but dont get me wrong, this is one powerful card.

They're also $40 more than a GTX 460. Don't get me wrong, they're both great, but price/performance is always a factor in the equation. Now, if nVidia raises the price of the GTX 460, which they are speculated to do, then yeah, I'd say go for the HD 6870.
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#31 Katsumic
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I have a question relating to the 6870 vs. 460 - I'm looking to get a new card (upgrade from ati4850) and I mainly am going for the DX 11 support and 1GB memory. I've seen fairly even reviews, but the GTX 260 seems to perform better with DX11 even though it's an older card (and slightly cheaper) - Should I go with 6870 just because it's newer tech?

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#32 kaitanuvax
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STOP THE PRESSES!!

TC, get a HD 6850, it performs just as well as a GTX 460 1GB, BUT YOU WON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE YOUR PSU.

I have a question relating to the 6870 vs. 460 - I'm looking to get a new card (upgrade from ati4850) and I mainly am going for the DX 11 support and 1GB memory. I've seen fairly even reviews, but the GTX 260 seems to perform better with DX11 even though it's an older card (and slightly cheaper) - Should I go with 6870 just because it's newer tech?

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IMO get the GTX 460 1GB or HD 6850. They're the best cards in the $200 segment right now and they both overclock very well.

Get the GTX 460 if you like raw horsepower, or the HD 6850 if you like the cheaper cost and the fact it doesn't need a very powerful PSU.

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#33 Limp_Laky
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The 6870 does outperform the 460 a lot of the time. This is the base clock or slight overclock 460 1gb. If you overclock your 460 it can and will match and sometimes surpass the 6870. If you want to overclock the 6850 or the 460 are the better buys. The reviews for the 6870 vary so look around a little bit, a lot of websites have it close to the 470. Nvidia has apparantly been pulling some strings to get some sites to test oc'ed 460's vs the reference 6870 so make sure to keep an eye for that. I went for the 6870 and absolutely love it.