Gonna buy this comp within the next 3 hours. Looks good?

I am planning to order (within the next 3 hours!) this computer from Cyberpower

CASE: CoolerMaster Praetorian 730 RC-730 Aluminum Tower 420W Case (Silver Color)

CPU: AMD Phenom™ X4 9850 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology

MOTHERBOARD: MSI K9A2 CF-F AMD 790X CrossFire Chipset DDR2/1066 Dual 16X PCIE SATA RAID MB w/GbLAN,
USB2.0, & 7.1Audio

MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair or Major Brand)

VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX 512MB 16X PCI Express (EVGA Powered by NVIDIA)

HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (160GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)

Optical Drive: 16X DVD ROM (BLACK COLOR)

SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
PSU: 600 watts

CPU cooling: coolermaster something or other >_>

OS: Windows Vista Home Basic w/SP1

Additional cooling: Three extra case fans

$1045

Should I do the do?

This will replace my Pentium D Dual core 2.66ghz +x1950pro

Any thoughts? Anything I should change? I am trying to keep it below 1100$

1. Is Cyberpower really that bad? :(

2. Phenom, because the config that it came with was the cheapest to mess around with and already had Vista, where as I couldhave crafted an Intel based comp and then had to tack on Vista in the end. Configurator VS. Preset. >_>

3.1280X1024 If this is a matter of the card I am getting, I want the 9800gtx so there. XD

but they use qulaity parts sabbath2gamer

I am not trying to defend cyberpower but just clearing this out.

1. Is Cyberpower really that bad? :(

2. Phenom, because the config that it came with was the cheapest to mess around with and already had Vista, where as I couldhave crafted an Intel based comp and then had to tack on Vista in the end. Configurator VS. Preset. >_>

3.1280X1024 If this is a matter of the card I am getting, I want the 9800gtx so there. XD

Shrodinger

1.pretty much try to configure from avadirect.com and tell us what you come up with

2. doesnt matter the 9850 is an awsome cpu

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

sabbath2gamer

You really dont know what you just said.

I prefer ibuypower.com over cyberpower, but it's not something to be terribly concerned about though.

The intel quads and 45nm Wolfdale dual cores still beat the phenoms in most benchmarks, but if you find its fairly cheaper to use the x4 9850, go for it. The difference in speed isnt enough to warrant spending $100(?)more unless you plan to overclock. Then the C2D E9xxx CPUs blow the phenoms out of the water. No other CPU can get 4ghz on air cooling without much trouble.

Also I agree with sabbath2gamer, that screen is tiny for a 9800gtx unless you feel you need to play with 100FPS on every game besides Crysis. :P

On the OS, I would seriously consider getting at least Home Premium. That way you get to use the Aero user interface and other stuff.(people STFU about "bloat". Rendering your desktop with your graphics card >>>>>> using your CPU for it all) Also. if you ever consider getting 4+ gb ram, you're gonna have to switch to a 64 bit version of your OS, and Home Basic 64 doesn't exist.

Also I agree with sabbath2gamer, that screen is tiny for a 9800gtx unless you feel you need to play with 100FPS on every game besides Crysis. :P

Wartzay

And no a 9800GTX wont be giving 100 FPS in all games except crysis.

And we are never going to get more demanding games in the future I mean it never happens with PC gaming right.:roll:

[QUOTE="Wartzay"]

Also I agree with sabbath2gamer, that screen is tiny for a 9800gtx unless you feel you need to play with 100FPS on every game besides Crysis. :P

Spybot_9

And no a 9800GTX wont be giving 100 FPS in all games except crysis.

And we are never going to get more demanding games in the future I mean it never happens with PC gaming right.:roll:

He said he wants to keep the price below $1100, so getting a slightly cheaper video card that would still play games great on a 1280x1024 would allow him to spend more on other parts. That's all I am saying.

The 8800gt 512mb is just fine for me and I have a 32" lcd as a monitor and it does the job just fine.

I forget the name of the site but I whent to it and I built a pc there and it came out to around 800.00 maybe like 2or3 dollars more but that was it.

The realon that low is cause I already have a monitor and key board and mouse and speakers and a gpu and so I didn't need to get all of that stuff. I wish for the life of me I could remember what that site was but oh well. I'll take a look to see if it is around here somewhere.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Drop the GPU down to 8800GTS 512MB but DONT for the love of god drop down to a 9600GT just becasue your resolution is low which isnt all that low anyways.Spybot_9

still to high grab an 8800gt if want some high end card.

um 12X10 is getting kinda low its basically the commonb re. for CRT's and its very few pixels for todays standards so most games wont look that pretty

The 8800gt 512mb is just fine for me and I have a 32" lcd as a monitor and it does the job just fine.

I forget the name of the site but I whent to it and I built a pc there and it came out to around 800.00 maybe like 2or3 dollars more but that was it.

The realon that low is cause I already have a monitor and key board and mouse and speakers and a gpu and so I didn't need to get all of that stuff. I wish for the life of me I could remember what that site was but oh well. I'll take a look to see if it is around here somewhere.

blackleather223

yes thats good but were not talking about a high end card to a monster tv

this is about a very high end card to a smal res. LCD so its bsically like all that graphics thats the 9800gtx has to offer is going to waste since any game will run on 12X10 which is condiseref for low end systems

i hear bad things about Ibuypower

and that PSU seems a little low for that rig

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

sabbath2gamer

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

WTH are you saying? You seriously need to stop talking. At 12x10 he needs NO MORE than an 8800GT. Pick up an 8800GT from eVGA or BFG and get a monitor that displays 16x10.something like a 20 or 22 incher.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Miguel16

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

WTH are you saying? You seriously need to stop talking. At 12x10 he needs NO MORE than an 8800GT. Pick up an 8800GT from eVGA or BFG and get a monitor that displays 16x10.something like a 20 or 22 incher.

I am sorry but who guys have just lost it.

Will an 8800GT be ALWAYS good enough for 12x10.Just ******* answer this ONE thing.

A 9800GTX or 8800GTS will mean that his card will last him longer.How is that difficult to understand.

I mean how's a 7900GTX doing in high resolutions now?Oh wait.................

[QUOTE="Miguel16"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

WTH are you saying? You seriously need to stop talking. At 12x10 he needs NO MORE than an 8800GT. Pick up an 8800GT from eVGA or BFG and get a monitor that displays 16x10.something like a 20 or 22 incher.

I am sorry but who guys have just lost it.

Will an 8800GT be ALWAYS good enough for 12x10.Just ******* answer this ONE thing.

A 9800GTX or 8800GTS will mean that his card will last him longer.How is that difficult to understand.

I mean how's a 7900GTX doing in high resolutions now?Oh wait.................

it will be good enough for about 3-4 years which wis an eternity for the computer enthusiats

you rly need to stop talking

i mean cmon a 9800gtx for a 12X10 res. :lol:

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

who the hell is talking about crysis stop bringing it up that in my eyes is no longer a game but a benchmark test crysis will still be the most demanding game to come for a long time

FYI not even NASA could run the game on very high check gameinformaer magz its hilarious

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Miguel16"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

sabbath2gamer

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

WTH are you saying? You seriously need to stop talking. At 12x10 he needs NO MORE than an 8800GT. Pick up an 8800GT from eVGA or BFG and get a monitor that displays 16x10.something like a 20 or 22 incher.

I am sorry but who guys have just lost it.

Will an 8800GT be ALWAYS good enough for 12x10.Just ******* answer this ONE thing.

A 9800GTX or 8800GTS will mean that his card will last him longer.How is that difficult to understand.

I mean how's a 7900GTX doing in high resolutions now?Oh wait.................

it will be good enough for about 3-4 years which wis an eternity for the computer enthusiats

you rly need to stop talking

i mean cmon a 9800gtx for a 12X10 res. :lol:

And a GPU lasting 4 years?

I think I am just wasting my time.All I have to say that TC please dont listen to these guys,they seem to be new to PC gaming.Just get the best card you can and dont bother with what res you are playing.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

sabbath2gamer

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

who the hell is talking about crysis stop bringing it up that in my eyes is no longer a game but a benchmark test crysis will still be the most demanding game to come for a long time

[QUOTE="Miguel16"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

WTH are you saying? You seriously need to stop talking. At 12x10 he needs NO MORE than an 8800GT. Pick up an 8800GT from eVGA or BFG and get a monitor that displays 16x10.something like a 20 or 22 incher.

I am sorry but who guys have just lost it.

Will an 8800GT be ALWAYS good enough for 12x10.Just ******* answer this ONE thing.

A 9800GTX or 8800GTS will mean that his card will last him longer.How is that difficult to understand.

I mean how's a 7900GTX doing in high resolutions now?Oh wait.................

if you think of it like that, then

in a couple of years time hows a 9800GTX doing at high res???

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

how about
2x9800GX2's or 3x 9800GTX's to play at 12x10??

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Lehman

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

how about
2x9800GX2's or 3x 9800GTX's to play at 12x10??

:lol:

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Miguel16"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

WTH are you saying? You seriously need to stop talking. At 12x10 he needs NO MORE than an 8800GT. Pick up an 8800GT from eVGA or BFG and get a monitor that displays 16x10.something like a 20 or 22 incher.

I am sorry but who guys have just lost it.

Will an 8800GT be ALWAYS good enough for 12x10.Just ******* answer this ONE thing.

A 9800GTX or 8800GTS will mean that his card will last him longer.How is that difficult to understand.

I mean how's a 7900GTX doing in high resolutions now?Oh wait.................

it will be good enough for about 3-4 years which wis an eternity for the computer enthusiats

you rly need to stop talking

i mean cmon a 9800gtx for a 12X10 res. :lol:

And a GPU lasting 4 years?

I think I am just wasting my time.All I have to say that TC please dont listen to these guys,they seem to be new to PC gaming.Just get the best card you can and dont bother with what res you are playing.

um i never said a 9800gtx can max it

i think you should read my posts a little bit more carefully then think about getting into an argumetn with me

I think I am just wasting my time.All I have to say that TC please dont listen to these guys,they seem to be new to PC gaming.Just get the best card you can and dont bother with what res you are playing.

Spybot_9

yes cuz im a new pc gamer since iv been playing since 1997

plz stop posting your just a troll

to the TC your best bet is the 8800gt 512MB card i suggest EVGA or XFX but do nbot get the 9800gtx thats a waste of money

and dont buy from cyberpower buy from avadirect.com

ps. idk where youv been the last couple months but the 8800gtx is for hihg res monitors that bein said the 9800gtx is onyl quite better so its safe to say yes ts for high res. monitors aswell

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Lehman

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

how about
2x9800GX2's or 3x 9800GTX's to play at 12x10??

The thing is that SLI "whether it be a demanding game or not" will only show you big benefits in higher res cuz that's just the way it works.That's not the case with single GPU's.

Fact is pretty simply,you people are just giving 9800GTX way too credit and you are also thinking that 12x10 is some garbage resolution that does not stress a GPU at all.That is NOT the case.

[QUOTE="Lehman"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

how about
2x9800GX2's or 3x 9800GTX's to play at 12x10??

The thing is that SLI "whether it be a demanding game or not" will only show you big benefits in higher res cuz that's just the way it works.That's not the case with single GPU's.

Fact is pretty simply,you people are just giving 9800GTX way too credit and you are also thinking that 12x10 is some garbage resolution that does not stress a GPU at all.That is NOT the case.

no of course its not the case cuz i used to play crysis @ 12X10 with my pitty 256mb 3850 on all high and got like 35FPS to 40FPS

lol not stress at all

now im on a 16X10 and crysis eats my card alive

Yes a 9800GTX is incompatable with lower res monitors and will refuse to game on them and will shut down it's powers.:roll::roll:

I am done with this thread.I have given my advice and it's up to him now.

Good day.

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Lehman"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

sabbath2gamer

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

how about
2x9800GX2's or 3x 9800GTX's to play at 12x10??

The thing is that SLI "whether it be a demanding game or not" will only show you big benefits in higher res cuz that's just the way it works.That's not the case with single GPU's.

Fact is pretty simply,you people are just giving 9800GTX way too credit and you are also thinking that 12x10 is some garbage resolution that does not stress a GPU at all.That is NOT the case.

no of course its not the case cuz i used to play crysis @ 12X10 with my pitty 256mb 3850 on all high and got like 35FPS to 40FPS

lol not stress at all

now im on a 16X10 and crysis eats my card alive

im still not going to argue cuz ther is no reason as i did not say that

like i said read the posts more carefullly... i am not wasting my time and risking to get modded for this

your just puttng word in my mouth

but you probably wont read the posts so ill write it for you

in no way am i say8ing the 9800gtx wont game on 12X10 res. im saying that the 9800gtx will not perfrom to its fullest or even use half of its power to game at that res.

for a res. like that buy the 8800gt

lemme see your still usinga CRT gaming on 12X10 and defending your res. right?

ps. if you havnt noticed im doing exactl what yer doing putting words in your mouth ;)

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="Lehman"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Spybot_9"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

3. wow a 9800gtx on just the a 1280X1024 monitor thats a waste of power might as well just buy a 9600gt for that resoultion i suggest you get at leasta 22 inch wuth a 1600x1080 or 1900X1200 (kinda high tho) res. to fully utilize the 9800gtx

Spybot_9

You really dont know what you just said.

how is this terrible advice?

if you want to use the 9800gtx to its fullext he should buy a 16X10 monitor thats the most common resoultion for gamers at the moment and most common for a monitor itself i currenty am using one by acer and its great but my card is a litll on the weak side for the res. due to the low VRAM.

a 9600gt on the other hand would be a good choice for a 12X10

Do you even know that there ISNT a substantial performance difference between 12x10 and 16x10.DO YOU THINK THAT GAMES AS DEMANIDNG AS CRYSIS WONT COME ANYMORE.:|

You think that a 9800GTX would be overkill for far cry 2,alan wake and stalker clear sky at 12x10.Ya right.:roll:

Oh and no it's not just crysis there MANY games that a 9800GTX WONT be overkill at 12x10.Well here's the list shall we,

1.Lost Planet

2.Never winter nights 2

3.World in conflict

4.Suoer sampling in oblivion

5.Dirt

6.Future unoptimized console ports every heard of those.

7.And future more demanding games basically for chirts sake.

The difference between owning a 9800GTX and 9600GT could be playing crysis in very high settings in 12x10 instead of high settings.The difference could be playing crysis with 4xAA and 16xAF in high settings and still getting totally smooth framerates.

The difference could be getting occasional slowdowns in games to getting buttery smooth framerate.I could go on and on about this but you really dont know what you are talking about.

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Please understand this before giving advice to people cuz you dont know what you are saying.

how about
2x9800GX2's or 3x 9800GTX's to play at 12x10??

The thing is that SLI "whether it be a demanding game or not" will only show you big benefits in higher res cuz that's just the way it works.That's not the case with single GPU's.

Fact is pretty simply,you people are just giving 9800GTX way too credit and you are also thinking that 12x10 is some garbage resolution that does not stress a GPU at all.That is NOT the case.

no of course its not the case cuz i used to play crysis @ 12X10 with my pitty 256mb 3850 on all high and got like 35FPS to 40FPS

lol not stress at all

now im on a 16X10 and crysis eats my card alive

like i said 12X10 isnt stressful at all even i was amazed i can do that

look at the second chart....

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=9

point proven....good buy :)

The second page with the 3850 CF vs 8800GTX oblivion chart totally destory all of your argument.

8800GTX ONLY gets 60FPS in oblivion in 12x10.ZOMG!:shock:

Oh yes it's not even using half it's power that's right.A 9600GT wont be giving 60FPS that's for sure.Now you are going to tell me that who cares about 60FPS I know.:lol:

To finalize this entire argument. Sabbath, learn what a computer is. (Watch me get modded. :D)

Get the 9800GTX. It will last quite a while. If you get the chance to, pick up a higher resolution monitor.

Sabbath, there are already games that have nearly the same graphics level as Crysis. Within a few years, I am betting there are going to be basically photo-realistic games being released for the PC. Also, you CAN NOT just look at the graphics. You need to look at everything IN the graphics. For example, you can't just say that there are photo-realistic textures on say, a brick wall. You need to look at lighting, particles, and everything else. The video card IS the part of the computer that shows basically all of this. Assassin's Creed has almost the same requirements as Crysis, but looks much, MUCH different.

Anyways. that is an excellent computer, but I would recommend upgrading to atleast 3GB of RAM. Vista itself takes up nearly 1GB.

I have to recommend 4GB. That way you have 3GB to work with not including Vista's hoggishness.

Good luck, and I hope you like your new computer if you get it. :D

The video card IS the part of the computer that shows basically all of this

Demonsoul98

omg i learned something today :lol:

hm level 2 are you just spybots aler ego i bet you are

plz dont say i need to learn about computers i probably know much more then you do so dont be assuming things you dont know me or what i know this is the internet fella know one knows anyone here

omg i just loves these new comers thinking they can run the GS forums its so funny

*sits back and eats popcorn*

have fun trying to win an argumetns

but remember

an argument over the internt is like the special olympic even if you do win your still retarted ;)

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Spybot_9

Just get the best card you can and dont bother with what res you are playing.

Spybot_9

I completely disagree. You need to selectively pick each video card based on the other components and resolution of the monitor. Are you saying you would recommend an 8800 Ultra for a person with a P4 and a 15" 10x7 monitor?

There is definitely such a thing as overkill with the GPU, and you shouldn't just go for the best thing available.

[QUOTE="Demonsoul98"]

The video card IS the part of the computer that shows basically all of this

sabbath2gamer

omg i learned something today :lol:

hm level 2 are you just spybots aler ego i bet you are

plz dont say i need to learn about computers i probably know much more then you do so dont be assuming things you dont know me or what i know this is the internet fella know one knows anyone here

omg i just loves these new comers thinking they can run the GS forums its so funny

*sits back and eats popcorn*

have fun trying to win an argumetns

but remember

an argument over the internt is like the special olympic even if you do win your still retarted ;)

First of all, Spybot's alter ego? Now that is just stupid. Second of all, so what if I am level 2? So far I'm 18 levels lower than you and know more than you. THIRD of all, I might as well let you win then. After all, you're still a retard :D

[QUOTE="Spybot_9"]

There is NO such thing as an overkill graphics card.

Fignewton50

Just get the best card you can and dont bother with what res you are playing.

Spybot_9

I completely disagree. You need to selectively pick each video card based on the other components and resolution of the monitor. Are you saying you would recommend an 8800 Ultra for a person with a P4 and a 15" 10x7 monitor?

There is definitely such a thing as overkill with the GPU, and you shouldn't just go for the best thing available.

But he has pretty damn good CPU and RAM and there are no bottlenecks.

And he doesnt have a 15" he is playing in 12x10.There is quite a major difference between 10x7 and 12x10.A 9800GTX is plenty good for this res.What is wrong with having plenty good graphics performance instead of having just enough for your resolution?

Is the 9800GTX too good for most games in 12x10?Well yes but there ARE exceptions beyond crysis as well.

Will the 9800GTX be too good at 12x10 for the likes of far cry 2.stalker DX10,alan wake and 2009 games?HELL NO!

And you can mark my words for that.

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Demonsoul98"]

The video card IS the part of the computer that shows basically all of this

Demonsoul98

omg i learned something today :lol:

hm level 2 are you just spybots aler ego i bet you are

plz dont say i need to learn about computers i probably know much more then you do so dont be assuming things you dont know me or what i know this is the internet fella know one knows anyone here

omg i just loves these new comers thinking they can run the GS forums its so funny

*sits back and eats popcorn*

have fun trying to win an argumetns

but remember

an argument over the internt is like the special olympic even if you do win your still retarted ;)

First of all, Spybot's alter ego? Now that is just stupid. Second of all, so what if I am level 2? So far I'm 18 levels lower than you and know more than you. THIRD of all, I might as well let you win then. After all, you're still a retard :D

lol

how do you knw you know more then me

thread ended

you havnt proven anything you know what i call

troll

lol

[QUOTE="Demonsoul98"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Demonsoul98"]

The video card IS the part of the computer that shows basically all of this

sabbath2gamer

omg i learned something today :lol:

hm level 2 are you just spybots aler ego i bet you are

plz dont say i need to learn about computers i probably know much more then you do so dont be assuming things you dont know me or what i know this is the internet fella know one knows anyone here

omg i just loves these new comers thinking they can run the GS forums its so funny

*sits back and eats popcorn*

have fun trying to win an argumetns

but remember

an argument over the internt is like the special olympic even if you do win your still retarted ;)

First of all, Spybot's alter ego? Now that is just stupid. Second of all, so what if I am level 2? So far I'm 18 levels lower than you and know more than you. THIRD of all, I might as well let you win then. After all, you're still a retard :D

lol

how do you knw you know more then me

thread ended

you havnt proven anything you know what i call

troll

lol

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Demonsoul98"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="Demonsoul98"]

The video card IS the part of the computer that shows basically all of this

Spybot_9

omg i learned something today :lol:

hm level 2 are you just spybots aler ego i bet you are

plz dont say i need to learn about computers i probably know much more then you do so dont be assuming things you dont know me or what i know this is the internet fella know one knows anyone here

omg i just loves these new comers thinking they can run the GS forums its so funny

*sits back and eats popcorn*

have fun trying to win an argumetns

but remember

an argument over the internt is like the special olympic even if you do win your still retarted ;)

First of all, Spybot's alter ego? Now that is just stupid. Second of all, so what if I am level 2? So far I'm 18 levels lower than you and know more than you. THIRD of all, I might as well let you win then. After all, you're still a retard :D

lol

how do you knw you know more then me

thread ended

you havnt proven anything you know what i call

troll

lol

lol no i know for a fact you two are the same ppl

good job :ol: just cuz you know imsmarter then yoiu guys or guy at computers you justwant to make poinltess postsnice

back to the original topic. TS that looks nice.

but i am going to have to agree with sabbath2gamer. the 9800gtx is overkill. unless the guy plans on buying a bigger monitor in the future. if not then 9600gt or the 8800gt would basically every game at full. except for that one...you know what it's called.

Whats wrong with basic? All it does is strip away the flashy gimmicks that premium offers i.e Aerothe_dude69

because they cost like the same and aero is useful if you don't like aero just turn it off