Good mobo for Crossfire that isn't very expensive?

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#1 SoraX64
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I'm doing a build soon and I want to get a motherboard that I can use for Crossfire later on (in case I want to). Now, I don't exactly want to spend a ton on the board since there's the chance that I won't end up Crossfiring, but I want to be prepared just in case. I had this one picked out but one of the PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots is only an x4 instead of both being x16. Would this make a huge difference? Ideally the new motherboard would be in the same ballpark as the one I had picked out, since I'm over my budget already for my build. I don't know if this is possible, but I'm throwing that out there. For reference purposes, this is what my build is going to be: HAF 922 Phenom II x4 965 @ 3.4 GHz XFX Radeon HD 6870 Corsair 650W PSU (Crossfire compatible and all of that fun stuff) G.SKILL Ripjaws series 4 GB (2x2) WD Caviar Black 1 TB Samsung DVD burner ASUS VH242H 23.6" monitor Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit [spoiler] And just a few other questions I have in case anyone would like to answer them. 1 - Should I shell out more for a CPU cooler? 2 - Will the fans that come with the case be enough? 3 - This last one isn't really a question, but if anyone knows of any components I could replace that would give me similar performance but would cost less, I'd love to know. I already have decided to get the Phenom II 965 over the 955 since the price difference isn't very big. I've also decided to stick with the XFX 6870 for the lifetime warranty (just to be safe). I already have the HDD so that can't be replaced, and I'm pretty set on that case. So it comes down to PSU, RAM, Monitor, and motherboard. (this isn't a very important problem though, since I'm pretty happy with what I'll be paying for this build anyway, and I'm perfectly willing to pay a fair sum for a rig that will last me a while) [/spoiler]
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Yes having the second slot in 4x would slow down the crossfire performance. Here is a motherboard you should use http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131363&cm_re=am3_motherboard_ddr3-_-13-131-363-_-Product

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#3 desertpython
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790FX is outdated. Get the 890FX:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441

This will last for a long time.

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#4 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="desertpython"]

790FX is outdated. Get the 890FX:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128441

This will last for a long time.

790GX might be older but spending another $65 wont improve much.
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Yes having the second slot in 4x would slow down the crossfire performance. Here is a motherboard you should use http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131363&cm_re=am3_motherboard_ddr3-_-13-131-363-_-Product

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I'm going to get that one instead. Thanks. :D
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I think it should be clarified that even high-end GPUs don't take that much of a hit from running in an x4 slot versus an x8 or x16. Crossfire performance wouldn't suffer that much. Here's something to read over if you haven't yet-

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/

So while I wouldn't run a pair of $350 or $400 video cards on a $60-$70 board that has x16/x4 crossfire support, I would definitely run a pair of midrange cards with a board like that. Say.. a pair of 6850's.

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I think it should be clarified that even high-end GPUs don't take that much of a hit from running in an x4 slot versus an x8 or x16. Crossfire performance wouldn't suffer that much. Here's something to read over if you haven't yet-

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/

So while I wouldn't run a pair of $350 or $400 video cards on a $60-$70 board that has x16/x4 crossfire support, I would definitely run a pair of midrange cards with a board like that. Say.. a pair of 6850's.

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Hm.. I don't have the time to read through that at the moment, but I will later. One question though. If I got the motherboard I had originally picked out, and ended up running two 6870s on it, I wouldn't notice too much of a difference? I've never Crossfired before so I don't know a ton about it. The only reason I'm not getting 2 6850s over the 6870s is because I simply cannot afford 2 6850s at the moment so I'd rather stick with a 6870 for now until I can come up with the money for a second one (which won't be until around halfway through 2011). I'm not going to be bothered that much if the hit I would take isn't that huge, since I'm sure with two 6870s I'd get pretty great performance anyway. I don't know; maybe I'll stick with the other motherboard I had picked out.
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[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think it should be clarified that even high-end GPUs don't take that much of a hit from running in an x4 slot versus an x8 or x16. Crossfire performance wouldn't suffer that much. Here's something to read over if you haven't yet-

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/

So while I wouldn't run a pair of $350 or $400 video cards on a $60-$70 board that has x16/x4 crossfire support, I would definitely run a pair of midrange cards with a board like that. Say.. a pair of 6850's.

Hm.. I don't have the time to read through that at the moment, but I will later. One question though. If I got the motherboard I had originally picked out, and ended up running two 6870s on it, I wouldn't notice too much of a difference? I've never Crossfired before so I don't know a ton about it. The only reason I'm not getting 2 6850s over the 6870s is because I simply cannot afford 2 6850s at the moment so I'd rather stick with a 6870 for now until I can come up with the money for a second one (which won't be until around halfway through 2011). I'm not going to be bothered that much if the hit I would take isn't that huge, since I'm sure with two 6870s I'd get pretty great performance anyway. I don't know; maybe I'll stick with the other motherboard I had picked out.

You do not want a 16x and a 4x and then crossfire because both cards will run at 4x which will limit your performance. Even though pci- 2.0 4x may not really bottleneck most cards, high ended cards like the GTX 480 can see as much as a 10% decrease in running at 4x, and at 8x about 2%. Your better off in the long run to get a a motherboard that can handle dual x16 if you plan on using multiple cards.
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] You do not want a 16x and a 4x and then crossfire because both cards will run at 4x which will limit your performance. Even though pci- 2.0 4x may not really bottleneck most cards, high ended cards like the GTX 480 can see as much as a 10% decrease in running at 4x, and at 8x about 2%. Your better off in the long run to get a a motherboard that can handle dual x16 if you plan on using multiple cards.

Okay. I'll stick with the one you linked me to. I don't mind spending the extra money if it's going to help in the long run. Thanks. :)
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[QUOTE="SoraX64"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I think it should be clarified that even high-end GPUs don't take that much of a hit from running in an x4 slot versus an x8 or x16. Crossfire performance wouldn't suffer that much. Here's something to read over if you haven't yet-

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5870_PCI-Express_Scaling/

So while I wouldn't run a pair of $350 or $400 video cards on a $60-$70 board that has x16/x4 crossfire support, I would definitely run a pair of midrange cards with a board like that. Say.. a pair of 6850's.

04dcarraher

Hm.. I don't have the time to read through that at the moment, but I will later. One question though. If I got the motherboard I had originally picked out, and ended up running two 6870s on it, I wouldn't notice too much of a difference? I've never Crossfired before so I don't know a ton about it. The only reason I'm not getting 2 6850s over the 6870s is because I simply cannot afford 2 6850s at the moment so I'd rather stick with a 6870 for now until I can come up with the money for a second one (which won't be until around halfway through 2011). I'm not going to be bothered that much if the hit I would take isn't that huge, since I'm sure with two 6870s I'd get pretty great performance anyway. I don't know; maybe I'll stick with the other motherboard I had picked out.

You do not want a 16x and a 4x and then crossfire because both cards will run at 4x which will limit your performance. Even though pci- 2.0 4x may not really bottleneck most cards, high ended cards like the GTX 480 can see as much as a 10% decrease in running at 4x, and at 8x about 2%. Your better off in the long run to get a a motherboard that can handle dual x16 if you plan on using multiple cards.

A 6850 isn't a GTX 480. I used to have a 5870, which performs somewhere between a 6850 and GTX 480, and slightly ahead of a 6870. I tested it in my x4 slot, and I had an average FPS loss of 8% through various benchmarks and games. I didn't even notice it. That loss would be slightly less with a 6870, and even less with a 6850.

To the TC- If you have the budget to get a board that will run x8/x8 or x16/x16, do it. Just don't be afraid of running Crossfire'd cards up to about the level of a 6870 in an x16/x4 board if your budget demands it.

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I got the GA890XA-UD3 from microcenter and got $40 off of it when I got my 965. runs x8 x8 and I paid $100 for it, thought it was a sweet deal, runs the 790 I believe though.

Newegg is sold out but here's the linkhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128438&cm_re=ga890-_-13-128-438-_-Product

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My Mobo has x16 for a single GPU or x8 x8 for a Dual GPU setup. Will this bottleneck even higher range GPUs if I decide to Crossfire?

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#13 04dcarraher
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My Mobo has x16 for a single GPU or x8 x8 for a Dual GPU setup. Will this bottleneck even higher range GPUs if I decide to Crossfire?

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No not really they tested a GTX 480 at 4x and 8x and on the 4x it lost about 10% of its performance at 8x it lost about 2%. So if you decide to cross your 5770's then you wouldnt even have a bottleneck.