Grand Theft Auto IV Lag

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#1 GameGod224
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Okay....so my PC lags ALOT as soon as i start GTA 4. My computer meets all the specs and it is basically unplayable it lags so much. does anyone know why it lags when i surpass the requirements?
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#2 millerlight89
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It's a bit of a system hog, and let's face it, your PC is kind of weak.
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#3 Agent_Kaliaver
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Meeting the specs means the game will run, or should run. That in no way means it will be playable. Obviously this depends on how far you surpass this requirements. If you meet the minimum exactly then don't expect a lot.

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#4 VeryBumpy
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GTA4 is a poorly optimized console port. It takes a beast of a machine to run barely well at todays PC standards.

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#5 broken_bass_bin
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Your system is weak, and GTA4 is a very badly optimized port. Short of upgrading your system, there's not anything else you can really do.

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#6 CellAnimation
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GTA IV runs great on nice PCs, you don't have a nice PC. :P
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#7 the_ChEeSe_mAn2
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The game is playable on a dual-core CPU but only at low settings and at 30-35FPS at most (indoors). A quad-core is essential if you want to run it on higher settings smoothly.
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#8 kozzy1234
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Quad Core is needed

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#9 flipin_jackass
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The game is horribly optimized. I'm sure you can find many decent and compatible games in lieu.
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#10 shirleycoburn38
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Work fine on my laptop I'm using Asus G73Jw
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#11 CellAnimation
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The game is horribly optimized. I'm sure you can find many decent and compatible games in lieu.flipin_jackass
Yeah the GT220 is a great video card... :roll:
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#12 gmaster456
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[QUOTE="flipin_jackass"]The game is horribly optimized. I'm sure you can find many decent and compatible games in lieu.CellAnimation
Yeah the GT220 is a great video card... :roll:

Did I miss something?
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#13 flipin_jackass
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[QUOTE="flipin_jackass"]The game is horribly optimized. I'm sure you can find many decent and compatible games in lieu.CellAnimation
Yeah the GT220 is a great video card... :roll:

:|Was that necessary? I basically just suggested to find a different game.

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#14 CellAnimation
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[QUOTE="CellAnimation"][QUOTE="flipin_jackass"]The game is horribly optimized. I'm sure you can find many decent and compatible games in lieu.flipin_jackass

Yeah the GT220 is a great video card... :roll:

:|Was that necessary? I basically just suggested to find a different game.

The GT220 is going to have issues with any modern 3D game. The optimization of GTA IV has nothing to do with the performance of that card.
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#15 dedyradix
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Okay....so my PC lags ALOT as soon as i start GTA 4. My computer meets all the specs and it is basically unplayable it lags so much. does anyone know why it lags when i surpass the requirements?GameGod224


ALL MODERN PC GAME atleast need :

Atleast 2,4 GHZ Core 2 Duo processor
Atleast 512 mb GDDR3 Graphic card
Atleast 2 GB DDR2 800 MHZ (WIN XP) / atleast 3GB (WIN 7)
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Atleast it will run optimal with that

Complex game is diferent:

You need :

- Atleast QUAD CORE PROCESSOR : FOR CALCULATE MANY COMPLEX SOUND, complex behaviour object/dynamic object render
- Large memory Graphic card with high bandwith bus
- And for PC RAM. better with fast clock RAM & dual / triple channel
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It' all about bandwith..

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#16 dedyradix
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There are many type game engine with their behaviour...sometime..not pc hardware = bad ,, but sometimes the game engine itself that have a bad optimization engine, because the developer not seriously optimized that engine for pc system, or maybe that's a new engine that still have many bug , or it the first time implemented on the game.let's make sample: Assassin creed series is sandbox game but why it very run great and also still run great on low/mid end pc system: it cause ubisoft have big developer team to work asssassin creed game. it big project & serious. first time they success make engine for assassin creed & the next they implemented it to other ubi game. we can say that big project game from ubisoft almost have great optimized engine. they implemented permanent conection & strange draconian DRM,, they brave market with strange drm protection,, but they also guarantee their product will be great & have at least good optimization. Next...let's talk about game engine behaviour..let's pick sample Engine between : GTA IV versus MAFIA 2. GTA IV vs MAFIA 2 have diferent behaviour engine. why mafia 2 have more good visual,polygon , and better performane than GTA IV,, On mafia 2 all object just rendered like general modern game...it diferent with GTA IV...GTA IV rendered all object with complex behaviour..so all object give dynamically behaviour , physx and it very complex...it's like a real.. let's take other sample: assassin creed 2 engine also rendered all object constantly and stay to run at fps 30..but environment look's more static than GTA IV...mafia 2 also have more static environment rendered object...And let's take other sample : between Unreal/quake engine with assassin creed engine. For example bioshock,dedspace,batman AA..why this game have incredible polygon, effect & atmosphere..?? it cause the environment rendered area is just simple,, maybe just on the room, water..etc with not havr big area....engine like : Unreal/quake just superb on indoor level area..let's pick sample : Splinter cell conviction that use unreal engine when it on level outdoor..it have bad design & texture object like a trees, leaf,etc..it look's bad than on indoor. other sample call of duty series..it look's spectacular on indoor level, but on outdoor..it look's bad without blur & effect. it mean..engine like unreal/quake on the truth it just use effect to look's their game spectacular...without implemented effect,blur,etc..visual will look's bad..especially on outdoor level..

it diferent with big area rendered game like crysis & GTA IV.for example : assassin creed 2, mafia 2 still run great or maybe can still get max fps with core 2 e6320 1,8ghz/4mb cache,2GB DDR2 800 duall chanel + mid end GPU like nv9600GT 512GDDR3. and i can said that : mostly all game now still can run high/very high, and maybe max with that system. but when u want run big area rendered game like crysis/gta IV : the main upgrade problem is = cpu , second gpu , third ram.

Why cpu first..?? because complex game with big area rendeered + big object behaviour + have many character AI is not graphic card or ram for first hard work.

almost cpu is the main problem like : many character AI = need great cpu ..it's like when we working with multitasking, so it need duall/quad/ more to calculate it. complex game also have complex behaviour on object , dynamic environment + variety of sound.

we can said that:

texture,shader,physx calculate --> vga
sound, AI, complex Object behaviour, and other thing --> cpu

so,, cpu have a heavy job for complex game.

You can run call of duty,assassin creed,batman aa, deathspace,and all general game smoothly with duall core processor, but it will diferent with complex game like gta 4 / crysis that have complex & dyinamic environment (not static like other game) behaviour, AI,sound, &etc..it need > duall core processor to callculate it.

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#17 dedyradix
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conclussion:

general game will always have run great on minimum requirement system like this..?
- cpu core 2 with minimum clock 1,8ghz
- ram 2 gb on xp (vista/seven= >2,5gb)
- vga 512 GDDR3 minimum 9600gt


why like that..?? coz mostly all pc game is multiplatform project that same with ps3/xbox360. and with that system we can say that enough equal minimum to run generral game..so when we run compleks game like gta 4/crysis on that system, game will lag on high/>high setting, why..because CPU can't handle that complex thing...we can said that:


- cpu core 2 with minimum clock 1,8ghz = have problem with complex game & need more core (>duall core) not just high core clock. coz high clock= not give significant performance. we need paralel calculate process for complex game engine.. so we need more core processor not clock processor.
- ram 2 gb on xp (vista/seven= >2,5gb) =2gb = no problem on xp
- vga 512 GDDR3 minimum 9600gt = no problem on xp , but this is minimum. if u want more have superb visual..u need upgrade ur vga.

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#18 dedyradix
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the next conclusion , it means = you need core 2 duo @ 2,4 ghz clock for best value playing modern game today with great fps. so if u want build pc rig system core 2 with 2,4ghz = minimum that equal with ps3/xbox 360. the next conclusion = gta 4 have bad engine optimization , it is not ur hardware / pc rig sytem fault. but the game engne itself + rockstar developer not seriously optimized for this game. Did u know why crysis 2 level setting on the city??? because crysis 2 also on ps3/360 that have not enough system resource to calculate big complex area like on crysis 1 : ocean & forest. as we know console have triple core processor. it still enough to calulate crysis on high texture, but >high maybe console can't do it , but the main problem on crysis 2 console=ram. so, only pc can got max >high. console limit with their stock hardware.

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#19 zohall
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with gta patches i resolved some bugs
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#21 GameGod224
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thanks for all your help bro i really appreciate it :)
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#22 Nick3306
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Thanks for the help everyone I greatly appreciate it. CellAnimation.....your a dumbass, just saying, cause my computer runs all my other modern pc games normally without lag :) But thank you to everyone who actually helped and im getting it working :DGameGod224
Sorry but GTA IV isnt every "modern pc game' its terribly ported and without a quad core or high end dual core there really is no point in trying to play it.
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#23 jedikevin2
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Actually no.. GTA4 scales very well downword. Turn off shadows, lower FOV, put things to medium and run at a resolution meant for your video card and low end computers can run it well.. MY backup p4 hyperthread 3.2 ghz, 9600 gso, 2gigs ram, XP nlited, runs it very well at 1280x720 on a 15 inch monitor.
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#24 CellAnimation
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Thanks for the help everyone I greatly appreciate it. CellAnimation.....your a dumbass, just saying, cause my computer runs all my other modern pc games normally without lag :) But thank you to everyone who actually helped and im getting it working :DGameGod224
If you honestly believe the Nvidia GT 220 is a good video card, I'm not the only dumbass here. :P
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#25 James161324
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I only got 30 fps with two 460's and a quad. With only textures on high.

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#26 GameGod224
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so basically its the game that sucks, not my computer, from what i hear :P
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#27 CellAnimation
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so basically its the game that sucks, not my computer, from what i hear :PGameGod224
While you called me a dumbass for saying you had a weak PC, I stick by that. There are plenty of people here (myself included) that run this game perfectly. Sure it requires a nice computer to do so, in your system the weakest part is the $50 video card. This is a gaming forum, and some of us spend many hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on systems with multiple video cards. So no the game doesn't suck, it just requires a nice PC to run. I'm kind of sure I said that before "GTA IV runs great on nice PCs, you don't have a nice PC.". But hey if you're paranoid enough that you need to call someone a dumbass because they point out that your $50 video card is going to have issues running games, more power to you!
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#28 GameGod224
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my video card doesn't have a problem running games, just gta 4. and my computer is $1200 buddy....you are obviously not very smart because there are also a lot of people with nicer computers that cant run it either. And your outnumbered in people saying its the game and not my computer... if your not mature enough to get over that i called you a dumbass, get a life.
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my video card doesn't have a problem running games, just gta 4. and my computer is $1200 buddy....you are obviously not very smart because there are also a lot of people with nicer computers that cant run it either. And your outnumbered in people saying its the game and not my computer... if your not mature enough to get over that i called you a dumbass, get a life.GameGod224
Dude your only making your self look dumb, just stop.

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#30 VeryBumpy
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[QUOTE="GameGod224"]my video card doesn't have a problem running games, just gta 4. and my computer is $1200 buddy....you are obviously not very smart because there are also a lot of people with nicer computers that cant run it either. And your outnumbered in people saying its the game and not my computer... if your not mature enough to get over that i called you a dumbass, get a life.Alienware_fan

Dude your only making your self look dumb, just stop.

Hardly, especially when he is right. GTA4 requires a beast of a machine to run at quality PC settings. Sure if you want console graphic visuals on your PC GTA4 will run fine on average PCs but who PC games for that?

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#31 Daytona_178
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Make sure you apply the latest patch, it improves performance.

To be honest though your PC isnt very good for demanding games.

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#34 CellAnimation
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gt-220-review-test/ - check benchmarks, it's the slowest card in every test at it's own launch. To quote that review "Then again, if you are into gaming .. we doubt you are even looking at this card as a viable option as you'd be compromising consistently on image quality.". For a forum about PC/video games there seriously are some guys here who have little to no clue about hardware. This has never been an attack by me on the TC, all I'm doing is stating a fact about an extremely low end video card versus modern gaming. While I find the TCs attitude about his own hardware immature, bordering on schoolyard bully like, what's even worse is the constant suggestions by other people that it's the game not the low end video card that is at fault for the original issue. So can you guys please stop saying the GT 220 is a decent gaming card. It's not, FACT!
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#35 mitu123
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my video card doesn't have a problem running games, GameGod224
At what settings?

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#36 GameGod224
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buddy...in case you didn't read my specs mines a 1gb not a 512mb. I don't think you know what your talking about cause you really have nothing to back it up..FACT!