GTX 780/GK110 features 7 billion transistors? May announcment?

The GTX 780 or 685 or w/e, the GPU based on GK110 is expected to be released in September or October of this year. Looks like Nvidia will talking about it soon enough, in May. I highly doubt they will calling it by it's marketing name though.

Don't want people to stop buying those buffer 6xx cards now do we?

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"Individuals from the GPU architecture and CUDA software groups will dive into the features of the compute architecture for? Kepler ?- NVIDIA?s new 7-Billion transistor GPU.From the reorganized processing cores with new instructions and processing capabilities, Thu an Improved Memory System with faster atomic processing and low-overhead ECC, we will explore how the Kepler GPU achieves World Leading Performance and efficiency, and How It Enables wholly new types of parallel To Be Solved problems."

Seven Billion transistors on a single die is quite a huge deal, For comparisonAMD?s Radeon HD 7970 graphics card has 4.3 billion transistors fused inside a 365mm^2 die. This would mean that the compute unit would have a die size beyond 550mm2 which hints at the GK110. GK110 is currently a flagship chip slate for launch in Q3/Q4 2012, exact date is unknown. The GPU based on GK110 would hold 2000+ Cores and 4GB memory through a 512-bit interface.

http://wccftech.com/nvidias-kepler-based-compute-monster-features-7-billion-transistors-unveiling-gpu-technology-conference/

There are new cards coming out every year. The 680 is good enough... heck a 580 is.DevilMightCry

I really wonder how much this card will end up costing.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]There are new cards coming out every year. The 680 is good enough... heck a 580 is.ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]There are new cards coming out every year. The 680 is good enough... heck a 580 is.DevilMightCry

Meh... I don't see the problem... heck you even have a 680 GTX yourself.

I really wonder how much this card will end up costing.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="DevilMightCry"]There are new cards coming out every year. The 680 is good enough... heck a 580 is.DevilMightCry

Power! :o

It could very well be GK112.

inb4 599 US Dollars

People need to quit it with the wishful thinking, the 780 is a ways away, period. This is article is about the Kepler version of Nvidia's Quadro and Tesla workstation cards. Lastly, according to benchmarks the 680 handles surround just fine, even with the 2GB of vram.

People need to quit it with the wishful thinking, the 780 is a ways away, period. This is article is about the Kepler version of Nvidia's Quadro and Tesla workstation cards. Lastly, according to benchmarks the 680 handles surround just fine, even with the 2GB of vram.

jaycouvera

I'm not sure where people got the idea that 2GB of VRAM isn't enough. It's more about the memory bandwidth than the amount of VRAM. Now, the 680 does lack bandwidth compared to the 7970.. but then again AMD has often had cards with excessive bandwidth that never really pull away due to other factors. Obviously Nvidia figured out how to make a card that performs as well or better with less of it.

People need to quit it with the wishful thinking, the 780 is a ways away, period. This is article is about the Kepler version of Nvidia's Quadro and Tesla workstation cards. Lastly, according to benchmarks the 680 handles surround just fine, even with the 2GB of vram.

jaycouvera

inb4 599 US Dollars

Masenkoe

[QUOTE="jaycouvera"]

People need to quit it with the wishful thinking, the 780 is a ways away, period. This is article is about the Kepler version of Nvidia's Quadro and Tesla workstation cards. Lastly, according to benchmarks the 680 handles surround just fine, even with the 2GB of vram.

configme

Again the 780 is a ways away, the lower end Kepler cards haven't been released yet. And the second part of your statement is based on rumors, there is no concrete information that suggests the 680 was intended to be the GK110.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] Not for surround.Bebi_vegeta

Meh... I don't see the problem... heck you even have a 680 GTX yourself.

[QUOTE="jaycouvera"]

People need to quit it with the wishful thinking, the 780 is a ways away, period. This is article is about the Kepler version of Nvidia's Quadro and Tesla workstation cards. Lastly, according to benchmarks the 680 handles surround just fine, even with the 2GB of vram.

configme

With the AMD 8000 series coming out within a year, it would be smart to get a head start in the holiday season with something that can easily beat the 7000 series. Not to mention the GK104 wasn't initially supposed to be GTX 680, the GK110 was.

HD 7870 has about 80 percent performance** of HD 7970 with 64 percent of transistors of HD 7970.

**Raster based gaming minus 64 DP FP compute.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Surround? And how many people use that? Not many.DevilMightCry

Meh... I don't see the problem... heck you even have a 680 GTX yourself.

But then you say it would of been fine with a 580GTX ? I don't know, but you fit the same categorie of people who seem to upgrade every gen...

[QUOTE="configme"]

[QUOTE="jaycouvera"]

People need to quit it with the wishful thinking, the 780 is a ways away, period. This is article is about the Kepler version of Nvidia's Quadro and Tesla workstation cards. Lastly, according to benchmarks the 680 handles surround just fine, even with the 2GB of vram.

ronvalencia

With the AMD 8000 series coming out within a year, it would be smart to get a head start in the holiday season with something that can easily beat the 7000 series. Not to mention the GK104 wasn't initially supposed to be GTX 680, the GK110 was.

HD 7870 has about 80 percent performance** of HD 7970 with 64 percent of transistors of HD 7970.

**Raster based gaming minus 64 DP FP compute.

what i can tell from that chart is that basically performance of the video cards is in line with the number of transistors in all cases except for one, and that is the radeon 7xxx series. The architecture of the radeon 7xxx series should show better performance per transister than the last generation video cards, the radeon 6970 and geforce 580 gtx but it doesn't seem that is the case. Nvidia on the other hand did a great job and their geforce 680 is a worth card to be purchased. Just not worthy at $500 :P The performance of the 680 with 3.5 billion transistors is better than the 7970's performance at 4.3 billion transistors. That is a bad sign to say the least.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Meh... I don't see the problem... heck you even have a 680 GTX yourself.

Bebi_vegeta

But then you say it would of been fine with a 580GTX ? I don't know, but you fit the same categorie of people who seem to upgrade every gen...

[Again the 780 is a ways away, the lower end Kepler cards haven't been released yet. And the second part of your statement is based on rumors, there is no concrete information that suggests the 680 was intended to be the GK110.jaycouvera

People need to quit it with the wishful thinking, the 780 is a ways away, period. This is article is about the Kepler version of Nvidia's Quadro and Tesla workstation cards. Lastly, according to benchmarks the 680 handles surround just fine, even with the 2GB of vram.

jaycouvera

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] The only reason I do is because I sold my two 6870 for the same price I paid for. So, I figured...why not?DevilMightCry

But then you say it would of been fine with a 580GTX ? I don't know, but you fit the same categorie of people who seem to upgrade every gen...

Crossfire 6870... Not really...

And availability will be terrible, people will wait, cards will become available sporadically at 20% above msrp, everyone will give up and buy the ATI in their price range instead.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="configme"]

With the AMD 8000 series coming out within a year, it would be smart to get a head start in the holiday season with something that can easily beat the 7000 series. Not to mention the GK104 wasn't initially supposed to be GTX 680, the GK110 was.

blaznwiipspman1

HD 7870 has about 80 percent performance** of HD 7970 with 64 percent of transistors of HD 7970.

**Raster based gaming minus 64 DP FP compute.

what i can tell from that chart is that basically performance of the video cards is in line with the number of transistors in all cases except for one, and that is the radeon 7xxx series. The architecture of the radeon 7xxx series should show better performance per transister than the last generation video cards, the radeon 6970 and geforce 580 gtx but it doesn't seem that is the case. Nvidia on the other hand did a great job and their geforce 680 is a worth card to be purchased. Just not worthy at $500 :P The performance of the 680 with 3.5 billion transistors is better than the 7970's performance at 4.3 billion transistors. That is a bad sign to say the least.

Note that 7970 has better support for 64bit DP FP compute while 7870 has gimped it's 64bit DP FP compute i.e. like GTX 680. Nothing is free.

My point with the table was to show the revised design(i.e. better density) for newer 7870 GCN vs the older 7970 GCN.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

But then you say it would of been fine with a 580GTX ? I don't know, but you fit the same categorie of people who seem to upgrade every gen...

Bebi_vegeta

Crossfire 6870... Not really...

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] I upgraded from X1950Pro to 9800GTX to HD6870 to GTX 680. Pretty reasonable, I'd say.jpm27

Crossfire 6870... Not really...

I never said it was unreasonnable... I'm all for buying new things every gen lol.

But he's saying, it doesn't make sense to get a ''780GTX'' when the 680GTX is enough... which is very much ironic considering he passed from Crossfire 6870 to 680GTX.

[QUOTE="jpm27"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Crossfire 6870... Not really...

Bebi_vegeta

I never said it was unreasonnable... I'm all for buying new things every gen lol.

But he's saying, it doesn't make sense to get a ''780GTX'' when the 680GTX is enough... which is very much ironic considering he passed from Crossfire 6870 to 680GTX.

[QUOTE="jpm27"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Crossfire 6870... Not really...

Bebi_vegeta

I never said it was unreasonnable... I'm all for buying new things every gen lol.

But he's saying, it doesn't make sense to get a ''780GTX'' when the 680GTX is enough... which is very much ironic considering he passed from Crossfire 6870 to 680GTX.

Ah ok, I misunderstood what you were trying to get it :oops:

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="jpm27"] But since he sold both of the 6870's for the same price he paid for them to get the 680, I wouldn't say it was an unreasonable upgrade at all. Actually I'd have to applaud him for selling a couple of used card for what he paid new. But if you mean the performance difference wasn't enough reason to upgrade, I'd be fine if his explanation was that he just wanted a single card solution instead of the (sometimes) hassle you can have with a dual card set-up.

DevilMightCry

I never said it was unreasonnable... I'm all for buying new things every gen lol.

But he's saying, it doesn't make sense to get a ''780GTX'' when the 680GTX is enough... which is very much ironic considering he passed from Crossfire 6870 to 680GTX.

no offense bro but ur one of those who say that you'll be fine with "x" setup and that there is no point going to the next gen "x+1" setup but end up doing it anyways....At least admit that you have a problem and you like upgrading ur graphics cards every gen.

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I never said it was unreasonnable... I'm all for buying new things every gen lol.

But he's saying, it doesn't make sense to get a ''780GTX'' when the 680GTX is enough... which is very much ironic considering he passed from Crossfire 6870 to 680GTX.

blaznwiipspman1

no offense bro but ur one of those who say that you'll be fine with "x" setup and that there is no point going to the next gen "x+1" setup but end up doing it anyways....At least admit that you have a problem and you like upgrading ur graphics cards every gen.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="jpm27"] But since he sold both of the 6870's for the same price he paid for them to get the 680, I wouldn't say it was an unreasonable upgrade at all. Actually I'd have to applaud him for selling a couple of used card for what he paid new. But if you mean the performance difference wasn't enough reason to upgrade, I'd be fine if his explanation was that he just wanted a single card solution instead of the (sometimes) hassle you can have with a dual card set-up.

DevilMightCry

I never said it was unreasonnable... I'm all for buying new things every gen lol.

But he's saying, it doesn't make sense to get a ''780GTX'' when the 680GTX is enough... which is very much ironic considering he passed from Crossfire 6870 to 680GTX.

That's weird since 1GB is the recommended specs for BF3... Maybe a crossfire driver problem.

So you had problems with games... which I find weird... but, who's to say you won't need a 780GTX to run games properly at full eye candy then?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-11.html

Crossfire 6870 seems to perform better then 580GTX in some games...

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1062/pg5/nvidia-gtx-580-oc-vs-radeon-6870-oc-crossfire-vs-radeon-5970-bad-company-2.html

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I never said it was unreasonnable... I'm all for buying new things every gen lol.

But he's saying, it doesn't make sense to get a ''780GTX'' when the 680GTX is enough... which is very much ironic considering he passed from Crossfire 6870 to 680GTX.

Bebi_vegeta

That's weird since 1GB is the recommended specs for BF3... Maybe a crossfire driver problem.

So you had problems with games... which I find weird... but, who's to say you won't need a 780GTX to run games properly at full eye candy then?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-11.html

Crossfire 6870 seems to perform slighty better then 580GTX,,,

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1062/pg5/nvidia-gtx-580-oc-vs-radeon-6870-oc-crossfire-vs-radeon-5970-bad-company-2.html

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] 6870 is a fine setup. Better for the money than most. My problem came from the fact it only was a 1 gb card, and I needed more for playing BF3 smooth, and Skyrim with all mods. 6870 was stuttering and I couldn't max out BF3 with AA, without some slowdown in B2K. Skyrim ran better as a single card, but the mods I ran in that game would cause the game to jerk and microstutter in FP view. It also consumed more power, and driver support wasn't the greatest. But the GTX680 so far has been better a great choice.DevilMightCry

That's weird since 1GB is the recommended specs for BF3... Maybe a crossfire driver problem.

So you had problems with games... which I find weird... but, who's to say you won't need a 780GTX to run games properly at full eye candy then?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-11.html

Crossfire 6870 seems to perform slighty better then 580GTX,,,

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1062/pg5/nvidia-gtx-580-oc-vs-radeon-6870-oc-crossfire-vs-radeon-5970-bad-company-2.html

Well I'm glad we understand everyone has different needs...

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] 6870 is a fine setup. Better for the money than most. My problem came from the fact it only was a 1 gb card, and I needed more for playing BF3 smooth, and Skyrim with all mods. 6870 was stuttering and I couldn't max out BF3 with AA, without some slowdown in B2K. Skyrim ran better as a single card, but the mods I ran in that game would cause the game to jerk and microstutter in FP view. It also consumed more power, and driver support wasn't the greatest. But the GTX680 so far has been better a great choice.DevilMightCry

no offense bro but ur one of those who say that you'll be fine with "x" setup and that there is no point going to the next gen "x+1" setup but end up doing it anyways....At least admit that you have a problem and you like upgrading ur graphics cards every gen.

for overall horsepower 2x radeon 6870 >> gtx 580. The reasons the 580 gtx did better in a few games was due to the higher tessellation performance of the 580gtx. The 6870's lower tessellation performace was bottlenecking it, but other than that the 2x 6870 is indeed more powa. You can see my point in the refreshed radeon 7xxx series where that bottleneck is almost completely eliminated. Well I understand you're feelings of wanting to upgrade to the best, its natural. Hell I have the same problem, i upgraded from the core i5 750 to the core i5 2500k to a core i7 2600k. I think i have bigger issues than you do :D

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

no offense bro but ur one of those who say that you'll be fine with "x" setup and that there is no point going to the next gen "x+1" setup but end up doing it anyways....At least admit that you have a problem and you like upgrading ur graphics cards every gen.

blaznwiipspman1

for overall horsepower 2x radeon 6870 >> gtx 580. The reasons the 580 gtx did better in a few games was due to the higher tessellation performance of the 580gtx. The 6870's lower tessellation performace was bottlenecking it, but other than that the 2x 6870 is indeed more powa. You can see my point in the refreshed radeon 7xxx series where that bottleneck is almost completely eliminated. Well I understand you're feelings of wanting to upgrade to the best, its natural. Hell I have the same problem, i upgraded from the core i5 750 to the core i5 2500k to a core i7 2600k. I think i have bigger issues than you do :D

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]

[QUOTE="DevilMightCry"] Admit what? You're a bafoon. Going from X1950pro to 9800GTX to 6870 to GTX680 is not every generation. If I had a GTX580 I wouldn't have upgraded to a 680, and I would think twice vefore upgrading to a GTX685/780 or whatever.. That's my point.DevilMightCry

for overall horsepower 2x radeon 6870 >> gtx 580. The reasons the 580 gtx did better in a few games was due to the higher tessellation performance of the 580gtx. The 6870's lower tessellation performace was bottlenecking it, but other than that the 2x 6870 is indeed more powa. You can see my point in the refreshed radeon 7xxx series where that bottleneck is almost completely eliminated. Well I understand you're feelings of wanting to upgrade to the best, its natural. Hell I have the same problem, i upgraded from the core i5 750 to the core i5 2500k to a core i7 2600k. I think i have bigger issues than you do :D

And someone who would upgrade may have the same reason for the 780GTX....

^ your reasons for going from the 6870 crossfire to GTX 680 was justified since your first post. I think it was a SMART upgrade, even if it was a slight one. Reason why because you have one less video card to deal with. I'm not saying SLi is bad, I've had an sli setup before but I think you made the right choice also considering you didn't pay any extra cost. It was like an even trade. Elann2008

As more of these type of threads appear, the longer I will continue to wait for the 7xx series. The more I read discussions, the more I don't want to purchase a GTX 680. :P Unless it was way cheaper than the listed price.Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]As more of these type of threads appear, the longer I will continue to wait for the 7xx series. The more I read discussions, the more I don't want to purchase a GTX 680. :P Unless it was way cheaper than the listed price.jaycouvera

thats not true look on newegg, the 580 gtx is selling for $389.99 brand new, care to guess how much it will sell used on craigslist? The 480 gtx is selling for $220 brand new again you want to guess how much it will sell used on craigslist? If you wait long enough you will always get a deal. Patience always pays off but then there is always something better that comes along, so its a double edged sword.

[QUOTE="jaycouvera"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]As more of these type of threads appear, the longer I will continue to wait for the 7xx series. The more I read discussions, the more I don't want to purchase a GTX 680. :P Unless it was way cheaper than the listed price.blaznwiipspman1

thats not true look on newegg, the 580 gtx is selling for $389.99 brand new, care to guess how much it will sell used on craigslist? The 480 gtx is selling for $220 brand new again you want to guess how much it will sell used on craigslist? If you wait long enough you will always get a deal. Patience always pays off but then there is always something better that comes along, so its a double edged sword.

The GTX 480 is an interesting card at $210, which is how much it's going for on newegg right now. With 1.5GB of VRAM and that GPU, that's still a pretty beastly card. Unreal that you can get that kind of horsepower for just over $200, albeit with a high power/heat penalty in this case.