GTX460: 768 or 1GB?

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#1 jimmyjammer69
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Looking at the various benchmarks, there doesn't seem to be any significant difference between the two in any games, even at higher resolution. Is there any justification I'm not thinking of for paying the extra £20 or so for the higher bandwidth (256bit vs 192bit) and larger memory?

Also, I've always been an Nvidia gamer so I've only really looked at Nvidia cards, so if there's an ATI card at the same price point, I'd definitely consider getting that instead.

The system I'm coming from is an 8800GT on a Core2Duo @ 3GHz, and I'm only looking for the video upgrade in the nearest future. I'm not a high res gamer at the moment (1440x900), though I might be looking to upgrade monitors some time early next year.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Looking at the various benchmarks, there doesn't seem to be any significant difference between the two in any games, even at higher resolution. Is there any justification I'm not thinking of for paying the extra £20 or so for the higher bandwidth (256bit vs 192bit) and larger memory?

Also, I've always been an Nvidia gamer so I've only really looked at Nvidia cards, so if there's an ATI card at the same price point, I'd definitely consider getting that instead.

The system I'm coming from is an 8800GT on a Core2Duo @ 3GHz, and I'm only looking for the video upgrade in the nearest future. I'm not a high res gamer at the moment (1440x900), though I might be looking to upgrade monitors some time early next year.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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If you upgrading to a monitor with a higher res, then it would probably be a better idea getting the 1gb version. Also the 1gb version performs slightly better in games, but having said that the 768mb overclocks just as well. For an extra £10 or what ever it is, i think its a bit silly not to go with 1 gb, just so you know you have a bit more power.
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I think once games like RAGE and others using newer graphics engines with higher res/bigger textures are out, you'll be glad you bought the 1GB version. There is a significant memory bandwidth difference (not just framebuffer) between the 768 and 1GB as well, which will become more and more significant with newer games, especially if you go with a higher-res monitor in the future.

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#4 jimmyjammer69
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[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]

Looking at the various benchmarks, there doesn't seem to be any significant difference between the two in any games, even at higher resolution. Is there any justification I'm not thinking of for paying the extra £20 or so for the higher bandwidth (256bit vs 192bit) and larger memory?

Also, I've always been an Nvidia gamer so I've only really looked at Nvidia cards, so if there's an ATI card at the same price point, I'd definitely consider getting that instead.

The system I'm coming from is an 8800GT on a Core2Duo @ 3GHz, and I'm only looking for the video upgrade in the nearest future. I'm not a high res gamer at the moment (1440x900), though I might be looking to upgrade monitors some time early next year.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

sn4k3_64

If you upgrading to a monitor with a higher res, then it would probably be a better idea getting the 1gb version. Also the 1gb version performs slightly better in games, but having said that the 768mb overclocks just as well. For an extra £10 or what ever it is, i think its a bit silly not to go with 1 gb, just so you know you have a bit more power.

That's kind of the way I'm leaning at the moment. £20 really is nothing if we're talking about the difference between a game being playable or unplayable. But I've seen benchmarks suggesting the only difference is 1fps in a handful of games, even at high res, and that it's really clock speeds that count with this chip. I probably will go with the 1GB version in the end, but I'm just wondering whether I wouldn't be better off putting that £20 towards a new cooler or something, to shift the CPU bottleneck I'm probably going to have.

I think once games like RAGE and others using newer graphics engines with higher res/bigger textures are out, you'll be glad you bought the 1GB version. There is a significant memory bandwidth difference (not just framebuffer) between the 768 and 1GB as well, which will become more and more significant with newer games, especially if you go with a higher-res monitor in the future.

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That's what I'm hoping - that I'd be future proofing myself a little with the extra memory bandwidth. The 460 keeps being touted as the next 8800GT though, and if that's the case, I'm guessing devs are going to be designing games with the cheap and cheerful 768 in mind as the benchmark system. I'd hate to be one of those suckers who bought the 1gb 8800GT on release, only to discover the double memory's never going to be utilised.

It would be great if the RAGE engine did garner a big following, but I've seen Carmack pushing tesselation as the next big thing for years now, with no takers.

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I have just purchased Gigabytes Super Overclocked GTX460 (1GB) and its fast,VERY FAST to the point where it even beats the GTX465,I am using the GTX460 on max settings on a Samsung 22 inch widescreen without any slowdown!. Gigabytes card is allready factory overclocked and comes complete with thier own uptake of the excellent afterburner software,the card needs 2 6pin PCI express power connectors so if you do decide to buy one then make sure your PSU is compatible. Go for this card,its a serious piece of hardware - the 1GB GTX460 is 256bit memory interface running at GDDR5.
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I have just purchased Gigabytes Super Overclocked GTX460 (1GB) and its fast,VERY FAST to the point where it even beats the GTX465,I am using the GTX460 on max settings on a Samsung 22 inch widescreen without any slowdown!. Gigabytes card is allready factory overclocked and comes complete with thier own uptake of the excellent afterburner software,the card needs 2 6pin PCI express power connectors so if you do decide to buy one then make sure your PSU is compatible. Go for this card,its a serious piece of hardware - the 1GB GTX460 is 256bit memory interface running at GDDR5.markie1973
Funny, that's exactly the card I'm looking at. :)

It's the near silent twin coolers that are the big draw for me. Have you tried OCing it further yet?

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If you go to a higher res the extra memory may help but i think it's the higher bit width which willl cause more of an improvement. I'ld say it's worth going for the 1gb if you're only buying one, the 768 makes more sense if you're going SLI as 1.4gb of VRAM is plenty and you've got double the cost difference.
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No not tried that yet,tobe honest I dont think I need to judging by its performance.
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If you go to a higher res the extra memory may help but i think it's the higher bit width which willl cause more of an improvement. I'ld say it's worth going for the 1gb if you're only buying one, the 768 makes more sense if you're going SLI as 1.4gb of VRAM is plenty and you've got double the cost difference.markop2003
Yeah, I've never really bought into the whole SLI thing. I mean, It's nice to have the option but, since I'll probably never take advantage of it, it's by no means a deal breaker. I guess I'm just looking for reassurance that I'm not so horribly CPU bottlenecked that I won't see any improvement between the two over my 8800gt. (My current C2D @3GHz only has 2mb cache :oops: , but I'm not quite ready to ditch LGA775 just yet).

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Go for the 1 GB, not only for the more VRAM, but faster memory bandwidth and more enabled ROPs.

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If you go to a higher res the extra memory may help but i think it's the higher bit width which willl cause more of an improvement. I'ld say it's worth going for the 1gb if you're only buying one, the 768 makes more sense if you're going SLI as 1.4gb of VRAM is plenty and you've got double the cost difference.markop2003

It would be nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't. When you run SLI, you only get the effective memory bandwidth and framebuffer of 1 of the GPUs. So you don't actually have 1.4gb of framebuffer with 2 768mb cards in SLI, you still only have 768mb. Each card carries a copy of the same exact data in it's memory at the same time.

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[QUOTE="markie1973"]I have just purchased Gigabytes Super Overclocked GTX460 (1GB) and its fast,VERY FAST to the point where it even beats the GTX465,I am using the GTX460 on max settings on a Samsung 22 inch widescreen without any slowdown!. Gigabytes card is allready factory overclocked and comes complete with thier own uptake of the excellent afterburner software,the card needs 2 6pin PCI express power connectors so if you do decide to buy one then make sure your PSU is compatible. Go for this card,its a serious piece of hardware - the 1GB GTX460 is 256bit memory interface running at GDDR5.jimmyjammer69

Funny, that's exactly the card I'm looking at. :)

It's the near silent twin coolers that are the big draw for me. Have you tried OCing it further yet?

DONT go with the super over clock edition, buy the normal oc version, then overclock it yourself, that way you'll save money and your almost guaranteed to reach the same clock speeds as the super oc edition anyway ;)
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I don't know why these aftermarket cooling solutions are necessary for the GTX 460 anyways. They are pretty damn cool-running cards with the reference cooler, even overclocked. I guess if you massively upped the voltage it might be good.

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I don't know why these aftermarket cooling solutions are necessary for the GTX 460 anyways. They are pretty damn cool-running cards with the reference cooler, even overclocked. I guess if you massively upped the voltage it might be good.

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Well if you live in a hotter country they are going to be important because the ambient temp can make a lot of difference to the cards temperature.
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#15 markop2003
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It would be nice if it worked that way, but it doesn't. When you run SLI, you only get the effective memory bandwidth and framebuffer of 1 of the GPUs. So you don't actually have 1.4gb of framebuffer with 2 768mb cards in SLI, you still only have 768mb. Each card carries a copy of the same exact data in it's memory at the same time.

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Damn shame... i can't think of any inherent reason why they'ld have to make it that way, if you provided enough bandwidth over the bridge there's no reason why you couldn't share some of the memory. You could even keep the high throughput of having a dedicated copy on each card by only sharing part of the memory and using it as an alternative to the main RAM. Also you would never have 1.4gb of framebuffer unless you're playing at some insane resolution, textures and models make up part of the VRAM data too.
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#16 markop2003
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I don't know why these aftermarket cooling solutions are necessary for the GTX 460 anyways. They are pretty damn cool-running cards with the reference cooler, even overclocked. I guess if you massively upped the voltage it might be good.

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Depends how much you want to overclock and whether you can afford to have aircon + live in a hot country