GTX460, not as good as reviews make out?

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#1 clyde46
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Well, almost. It seems that Palit have sent out review samples that differ from the retail versions.

http://www.guru3d.com/news/palit-geforce-gtx-460-sonic-could-have-issues-/

The reviews on thePalit GeForce GTX 460 Sonic Platinum edition have been extremely positive in most reviews, including ours in the GTX 460 shootout. Great performance, good cooling and an extremely silent noise level. However earlier on Wednesday we noticed some reports in our forums that an batch of the Palit GeForce GTX 460 seems to be missing the VRM heatsink.

As a result the cards temperature couldheat up massively and the cooling will try to compensate by spinning way harder (RPM) and this it makes the product loud. Is yuor VRM/MOSFET areaexposed like that ?

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#2 Frenzyd109
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And that is why you wait for a reputable company like sapphire or xfx
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#3 smc91352
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NOOOOOO!!!
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#4 UnArguably
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palit? i've never even heard of that company.
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#5 GazaAli
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NOOOOOO!!!smc91352
like your new sig :P
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#6 smc91352
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like your new sig :PGazaAli
which part?
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#7 FUBAR24
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And that is why you wait for a reputable company like sapphire or xfxFrenzyd109
sapphire and xfx dont do nvidia :|
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#8 loco145
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Who the **** is palit?

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#9 Frenzyd109
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[QUOTE="Frenzyd109"]And that is why you wait for a reputable company like sapphire or xfxFUBAR24
sapphire and xfx dont do nvidia :|

wow I chose two random good brands poorly... EVGA and ASUS.. :)
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#10 Evz0rz
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And that's why I preordered the EVGA EE edition ;)

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#11 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]like your new sig :Psmc91352
which part?

the girl and the apple?
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#12 Xsan3
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[QUOTE="FUBAR24"][QUOTE="Frenzyd109"]And that is why you wait for a reputable company like sapphire or xfxFrenzyd109
sapphire and xfx dont do nvidia :|

wow I chose two random good brands poorly... EVGA and ASUS.. :)

Nice save, although ASUS can be a bit iffy at times.

But anyway - that review realy has nothing to do with the '460 , more about how crummy of a Company Palit is . .

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#13 smc91352
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the girl and the apple?GazaAli
oh, of coarse. :D
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#14 Xsan3
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[QUOTE="GazaAli"]the girl and the apple?smc91352
oh, of coarse. :D

Its cute - but im not sure I get it ?

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#15 smc91352
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Its cute - but im not sure I get it ?Xsan3
what's to get?
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#16 Xsan3
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[QUOTE="Xsan3"]Its cute - but im not sure I get it ?smc91352
what's to get?

Is it supposed to be a Joke about Apple ? Or what ? Or is it just supposed to be Cute >>>?

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#17 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="smc91352"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]Its cute - but im not sure I get it ?Xsan3

what's to get?

Is it supposed to be a Joke about Apple ? Or what ? Or is it just supposed to be Cute >>>?

:lol: dont think too much about it. Its cute and its sexay.
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#18 smc91352
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Or is it just supposed to be Cute ?Xsan3
I guess the second, since I don't think its an Apple joke.
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#19 Xsan3
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Ah-Okay - thx u 2 for helping me clear that up in my head :P

Cause if that were a Joke about Apple - it would have taken me a while longer : )

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#20 abuabed
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This thread has been officially hijacked by "girl and an apple" :P TC, I'm not sure, most reviews won't tell a lie I guess..
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#21 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="Xsan3"]Or is it just supposed to be Cute ?smc91352
I guess the second, since I don't think its an Apple joke.

I srsly dun get.
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#22 ravenguard90
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Hah! Palit's cheap and unreliable antics strike again. They really should've stayed away from North America for their reputation's sake.

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#23 ionusX
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wow lol 460 owned

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#24 MaoTheChimp
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Hah! Palit's cheap and unreliable antics strike again. They really should've stayed away from North America for their reputation's sake.

ravenguard90

So they mucked up their launch product by forgetting to swap out the BIOS before shipping it out. What's the big issue? Palit released a BIOS update to deal with the fan profiles, and if anyone's not confident enough to flash the BIOS themselves, they can RMA it through Palit. I don't see why they should be called "cheap and unreliable" just because they messed up at launch.

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#25 ionusX
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[QUOTE="ravenguard90"]

Hah! Palit's cheap and unreliable antics strike again. They really should've stayed away from North America for their reputation's sake.

MaoTheChimp

So they mucked up their launch product by forgetting to swap out the BIOS before shipping it out. What's the big issue? Palit released a BIOS update to deal with the fan profiles, and if anyone's not confident enough to flash the BIOS themselves, they can RMA it through Palit. I don't see why they should be called "cheap and unreliable" just because they messed up at launch.

palit often makes these mistakes however.. ive seen some of their products.. someone bought a 9800gt from them from a local store.. the guy behind the counter box opened it and pieces fell off :p

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#26 Halak41
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NOOOOOO!!!smc91352

...lol

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#27 JigglyWiggly_
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Oh GOD DAMNIT...

People on dis forum outsmarted me for once, (They said don't get Palit, I didn't care)

NAOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I guess I can get swiftiech ram sinks and just put them on them...

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#28 jedikevin2
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Why did you get Palit Jiggly? I know you better then that lol. I always stay with higher reputation companies. (EVGA, MSI, Gigabte, PNY, and no longer availiabe BFG).

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#29 Espada12
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Sounds like a manufacturing problem rather than a design problem.

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#30 Mattizzle815
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I am most likely going to pick up a 460 over the weekend. can anyone recommend me a decent power supply to go with it?

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#31 JigglyWiggly_
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Why did you get Palit Jiggly? I know you better then that lol. I always stay with higher reputation companies. (EVGA, MSI, Gigabte, PNY, and no longer availiabe BFG).

jedikevin2
I uh... uh. crap.
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#32 Roland123_basic
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[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Why did you get Palit Jiggly? I know you better then that lol. I always stay with higher reputation companies. (EVGA, MSI, Gigabte, PNY, and no longer availiabe BFG).

JigglyWiggly_
I uh... uh. crap.

rofl.... i said dont buy palit a week ago and had atleast 5 people PM me calling me an idiot, and a bunch of people flame me in the thread that i posted it in...... I GUESS I WAS RIGHT EH!? leave it up to gamespot forum members to flame someone for telling the truth.... never buy anything other than EVGA and MSI for nvidia cards.... their track record and built quality make it an easy choice. i garauntee the EVGA 1gb gtx 460 will be out in the next few days to 1 week.... honestly having to wait 1-1.5 weeks for a superior product isnt that much time....
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#33 ionusX
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Why did you get Palit Jiggly? I know you better then that lol. I always stay with higher reputation companies. (EVGA, MSI, Gigabte, PNY, and no longer availiabe BFG).

Roland123_basic

I uh... uh. crap.

rofl.... i said dont buy palit a week ago and had atleast 5 people PM me calling me an idiot, and a bunch of people flame me in the thread that i posted it in...... I GUESS I WAS RIGHT EH!? leave it up to gamespot forum members to flame someone for telling the truth.... never buy anything other than EVGA and MSI for nvidia cards.... their track record and built quality make it an easy choice. i garauntee the EVGA 1gb gtx 460 will be out in the next few days to 1 week.... honestly having to wait 1-1.5 weeks for a superior product isnt that much time....

zotac isnt that bad nor is asus.. heck if asus didnt make good products my head might asplode from the sheer craziness of that reality.. seriously id probably die i joke you not :P

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#34 Empirefrtw
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Weird I got a palit hd 4850 a while back and it still runs perfectly today on the other hand my HIS i got for crossfire died in 2 months.

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#35 MaoTheChimp
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[QUOTE="MaoTheChimp"]

[QUOTE="ravenguard90"]

Hah! Palit's cheap and unreliable antics strike again. They really should've stayed away from North America for their reputation's sake.

ionusX

So they mucked up their launch product by forgetting to swap out the BIOS before shipping it out. What's the big issue? Palit released a BIOS update to deal with the fan profiles, and if anyone's not confident enough to flash the BIOS themselves, they can RMA it through Palit. I don't see why they should be called "cheap and unreliable" just because they messed up at launch.

palit often makes these mistakes however.. ive seen some of their products.. someone bought a 9800gt from them from a local store.. the guy behind the counter box opened it and pieces fell off :p

While I agree that Palit's QC isn't as good as some of the industry giants, I find it hard to believe that the card you mentioned fell apart at the mere opening of the box. I've tested and worked with a few of their cards, and while they usually lack flashy heatsinks or some other semi-useless features, I've never seen one (or any card for that matter) that looks like it could break with a mere touch.

I'd also like to point out that the Vregs seen in the linked photo conduct a good amount of their heat through an exposed copper layer on the PCB, and that the said Vregs look like they're topped with plastic. So while a heatsink would give a tangible drop in temperatures, I doubt that, in it's 'sinkless form, it would go anywhere near it's rated maximum temperature.

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#36 icyseanfitz
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from what ive read the palit 1gig sonic card seems to be the best gtx 460 out there right now

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#37 RobboElRobbo
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This is why I decided to wait for EVGA or XFX... I saw this coming a mile away.

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#38 JigglyWiggly_
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from what ive read the palit 1gig sonic card seems to be the best gtx 460 out there right now

icyseanfitz

That's cause they have VRM heatsinks. Oh well, I have both my gpus clocked at 800mhz (from 675 stock (well 700 palit oc)), and it's 100% stable.

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#39 clyde46
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from what ive read the palit 1gig sonic card seems to be the best gtx 460 out there right now

icyseanfitz

The review samples have the VRM heatsinks. The retail lot dont. This forces the card to work harder to keep the chip cool.

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#40 Animatronic64
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GTX 470 ftw. :D

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#41 Blicen
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Gigabyte released their 1GB GTX460, I just bought one today, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333 I almost bought a PALIT but glad I didn't, maybe I should of waited for a EVGA one but oh well! GTX460 will be replacing my 8800GTX, which will be used for PHYSX i guess.

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#42 JigglyWiggly_
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Well I just bought some ramsinks, they should arrive sometime this week, if not next week. Depends how good the ebay seller is I suppose.
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#43 MaoTheChimp
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Well I just bought some ramsinks, they should arrive sometime this week, if not next week. Depends how good the ebay seller is I suppose.JigglyWiggly_

I'd buy some thermal epoxy while you're at it. The thermal tape that comes stock with most RAM heatsinks don't hold well on the chips without some form of adhesive or retention.

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#44 JigglyWiggly_
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Well it's from Thermaltake (albeit from an ebay seller), but I'll see how they stick, then buy some thermal adhesive if they don't. I'm pretty sure the arctic stuff I got now is way way past expiration.
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#45 icyseanfitz
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so are all the retail palic gtx 460's missing the heat sink that were in the reviews i read about? if so that cant be legal to advertise something that clearly isnt true?? good thing i read this was about to sli two of em would have been sweet two :(

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#46 Mr_NoName111
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Well it's from Thermaltake (albeit from an ebay seller), but I'll see how they stick, then buy some thermal adhesive if they don't. I'm pretty sure the arctic stuff I got now is way way past expiration. JigglyWiggly_
just a warning with the actic silver thermal epoxy.. They are REALLY sticky. There's a real danger of pulling the VRMs off pcb trying to take the sinks off. I read that you can solve this by mixing it with some normal AS5. Might wanna google it if you are using it.
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#47 clyde46
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so are all the retail palic gtx 460's missing the heat sink that were in the reviews i read about? if so that cant be legal to advertise something that clearly isnt true?? good thing i read this was about to sli two of em would have been sweet two :(

icyseanfitz
They covered themselves by saying, "layout is subject to change without notication" or something like that.
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#48 Bikouchu35
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[QUOTE="Xsan3"]Or is it just supposed to be Cute ?smc91352
I guess the second, since I don't think its an Apple joke.

If I can guess the girl right, do I get a apple?

Just got some monetary, gtx 460 or gtx 465.. decisions. Can I unlock gtx 465 to 470 with that Asus utility??

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#49 smc91352
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If I can guess the girl right, do I get a apple?Bikouchu35
you mean her name? sure; as long as you haven't right clicked.

EDIT: Oh, and I'd get a 460.
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#50 GazaAli
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[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]If I can guess the girl right, do I get a apple?smc91352
you mean her name? sure; as long as you haven't right clicked.

EDIT: Oh, and I'd get a 460.

from now on my favorite name is Tifanny :D