Help, cant get res to 1080 (Xbox)

When I switch from 720 to 1080 the resolutions doesn't change.

The quality of the image is the same on both
settings, even though the Xbox menu and my TV says its 1080, its
clearly running at a lower resolution. I dont understand how this can
happen, when both the Xbox and my TV indicate it is 1080.

My TV is an LG 42" LH40FD, connected through the official Xbox HDMI cable.
My Xbox is the Arcade version.

Any help greatly appreciated

When I switch from 720 to 1080 the resolutions doesn't change.

The quality of the image is the same on both
settings, even though the Xbox menu and my TV says its 1080, its
clearly running at a lower resolution. I dont understand how this can
happen, when both the Xbox and my TV indicate it is 1080.

My TV is an LG 42" LH40FD, connected through the official Xbox HDMI cable.
My Xbox is the Arcade version.

Any help greatly appreciated

wide_ocean

Xbox actually displays in 720p. The 1080p setting is for upscaling. Its not real 1080p. It is essentially a stretched out image to fit the whole screen. Your fine.

Xbox actually displays in 720p. The 1080p setting is for upscaling. Its not real 1080p. It is essentially a stretched out image to fit the whole screen. Your fine.

painguy1

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Xbox actually displays in 720p. The 1080p setting is for upscaling. Its not real 1080p. It is essentially a stretched out image to fit the whole screen. Your fine.

UnnDunn

yeah i know not always, 98% of the time this is so. Only games i can think of that are native 1080p is banjo kazooie n64, perfect dark, and some indie games on the arcade.

Okay, all non-CRT HDTVs only run in one resolution, and that is whatever their native resolution is. Any input (console, dvd player, etc) gets upscaled by your television to 1080p (the native res of your set). Your TV -never- changes resolution because it can't. The number of pixels on an LCD, Plasma, DLP, etc is always fixed at your native res. That's what native res is.

Now, that being said if you set your Xbox to output 720p your TV will indicate tht it is recieving a 720p signal but the final image you see is scaled across 1920x1080 physical pixels in your display (aka 1080p) because that's how many individual pixes were physically built into your TV at the time of manufacture. On the other hand, if you set your Xbox 360 to output at 1080p then the 360's internal scaler will upscale to 1080p instead of your tv. Either way, you are upscaling to 1080p so if the quality of the two scalers (the Xbox and your tv's) are comparable you won't notice much difference.

As mentioned, most 360 games render at 720p natively. There are some exceptions, but many of the more advanced FPS games render at 720p or even occasionally a little less in order to keep framerates up.

-Byshop

My tv must be unique since it will change the resolution (it shows it in the upper right corner of the screen every time it does) and instead of "up-scaling" it actually just stretches whatever is less than 1920x1080 to fill the screen. It may just be because I have all the inputs set to fill the screen, but that's what happens here.

My PC is outputting through component - and I have it running at 1804x1014 to compensate for overscan (where the edges of the screen "go past" the corners) - my Xbox 360 is also going out through component and is set to 1080i - my PS3 is going through HDMI and is set to 1080p. When I run my original Xbox or a PS2 - both also through component - the screen will adjust and it will say 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i depending on the game.

Mine is a Sony Bravia 50" LCD Projection TV.

[QUOTE="wide_ocean"]

When I switch from 720 to 1080 the resolutions doesn't change.

The quality of the image is the same on both
settings, even though the Xbox menu and my TV says its 1080, its
clearly running at a lower resolution. I dont understand how this can
happen, when both the Xbox and my TV indicate it is 1080.

My TV is an LG 42" LH40FD, connected through the official Xbox HDMI cable.
My Xbox is the Arcade version.

Any help greatly appreciated

UnnDunn

I think you would be hard pressed to tell the difference on a 42 inch tv unless side by side. BaconB1ts123

Xbox actually displays in 720p. The 1080p setting is for upscaling. Its not real 1080p. It is essentially a stretched out image to fit the whole screen. Your fine.

painguy1

The highest native resolution a game will support is 720p, I will recommend to leave at 720p.Gabystelistu95

My tv must be unique since it will change the resolution (it shows it in the upper right corner of the screen every time it does) and instead of "up-scaling" it actually just stretches whatever is less than 1920x1080 to fill the screen. It may just be because I have all the inputs set to fill the screen, but that's what happens here.

My PC is outputting through component - and I have it running at 1804x1014 to compensate for overscan (where the edges of the screen "go past" the corners) - my Xbox 360 is also going out through component and is set to 1080i - my PS3 is going through HDMI and is set to 1080p. When I run my original Xbox or a PS2 - both also through component - the screen will adjust and it will say 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i depending on the game.

Mine is a Sony Bravia 50" LCD Projection TV.

Stinger78

Okay, all non-CRT HDTVs only run in one resolution, and that is whatever their native resolution is. Any input (console, dvd player, etc) gets upscaled by your television to 1080p (the native res of your set). Your TV -never- changes resolution because it can't. The number of pixels on an LCD, Plasma, DLP, etc is always fixed at your native res. That's what native res is.

Now, that being said if you set your Xbox to output 720p your TV will indicate tht it is recieving a 720p signal but the final image you see is scaled across 1920x1080 physical pixels in your display (aka 1080p) because that's how many individual pixes were physically built into your TV at the time of manufacture. On the other hand, if you set your Xbox 360 to output at 1080p then the 360's internal scaler will upscale to 1080p instead of your tv. Either way, you are upscaling to 1080p so if the quality of the two scalers (the Xbox and your tv's) are comparable you won't notice much difference.

As mentioned, most 360 games render at 720p natively. There are some exceptions, but many of the more advanced FPS games render at 720p or even occasionally a little less in order to keep framerates up.

-Byshop

Byshop

[QUOTE="Stinger78"]

My tv must be unique since it will change the resolution (it shows it in the upper right corner of the screen every time it does) and instead of "up-scaling" it actually just stretches whatever is less than 1920x1080 to fill the screen. It may just be because I have all the inputs set to fill the screen, but that's what happens here.

My PC is outputting through component - and I have it running at 1804x1014 to compensate for overscan (where the edges of the screen "go past" the corners) - my Xbox 360 is also going out through component and is set to 1080i - my PS3 is going through HDMI and is set to 1080p. When I run my original Xbox or a PS2 - both also through component - the screen will adjust and it will say 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i depending on the game.

Mine is a Sony Bravia 50" LCD Projection TV.

rastan

this is wrong. dont listen to this guy.hofuldig

Lol, this is pretty common knowledge stuff. I never expect anyone to take my word at anything an I encourage people to do their own research. If you think you know something better, by all means post. It's easy to point fingers and yell "wrong" if you don't have anything useful to say yourself.

Here are -several- links backing up what any minimum wage Best Buy employee can also tell you:

http://hometheater.about.com/od/lcdtvfaqs/f/lcdtvfaq5.htm

The images on these sets can look good, especially for DVDs and standard digital cable, but it is not HDTV. LCD TVs that are capable of displaying HDTV signals directly have a native pixel resolution of 1280x720 (where 720 also represents the number of lines from the top to bottom of the screen) or higher.

Since LCD televisions have a finite number of pixels (referred to as a fixed-pixel display), signal inputs that have higher resolutions must be scaled to fit the pixel field count of the particular LCD display. For example, a typical HDTV input format of 1080i needs a native display of 1920x1080 pixels for a one-to-one point display of the HDTV image. Also, since LCD Television only display progressively scanned images, 1080i source signals are always either deinterlaced to 1080p or scaled down to 768p, 720p, or 480p depending on the native pixel resolution of the specific LCD television.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/monitor9.htm - CRT vs LCD monitors

Advantages of CRT Monitors

Multiple resolutions - If you need to change your display's resolution for different applications, you are better off with a CRT monitor because LCD monitors don't handle multiple resolutions as well.

Nothing that I'm saying is rocket science. Like I said, it's COMMON knowledge in the AV world and it used to be common knowledge on this board years ago before nearly all the technical people left.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

Okay, all non-CRT HDTVs only run in one resolution, and that is whatever their native resolution is. Any input (console, dvd player, etc) gets upscaled by your television to 1080p (the native res of your set). Your TV -never- changes resolution because it can't. The number of pixels on an LCD, Plasma, DLP, etc is always fixed at your native res. That's what native res is.

Now, that being said if you set your Xbox to output 720p your TV will indicate tht it is recieving a 720p signal but the final image you see is scaled across 1920x1080 physical pixels in your display (aka 1080p) because that's how many individual pixes were physically built into your TV at the time of manufacture. On the other hand, if you set your Xbox 360 to output at 1080p then the 360's internal scaler will upscale to 1080p instead of your tv. Either way, you are upscaling to 1080p so if the quality of the two scalers (the Xbox and your tv's) are comparable you won't notice much difference.

As mentioned, most 360 games render at 720p natively. There are some exceptions, but many of the more advanced FPS games render at 720p or even occasionally a little less in order to keep framerates up.

-Byshop

hofuldig

[QUOTE="hofuldig"]this is wrong. dont listen to this guy.shawty1984

He's just trolling. Ignore him.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="rastan"][QUOTE="Stinger78"] [QUOTE="hofuldig"][QUOTE="rastan"][QUOTE="Stinger78"]

My tv must be unique since it will change the resolution (it shows it in the upper right corner of the screen every time it does) and instead of "up-scaling" it actually just stretches whatever is less than 1920x1080 to fill the screen. It may just be because I have all the inputs set to fill the screen, but that's what happens here.

My PC is outputting through component - and I have it running at 1804x1014 to compensate for overscan (where the edges of the screen "go past" the corners) - my Xbox 360 is also going out through component and is set to 1080i - my PS3 is going through HDMI and is set to 1080p. When I run my original Xbox or a PS2 - both also through component - the screen will adjust and it will say 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i depending on the game.

Mine is a Sony Bravia 50" LCD Projection TV.

hofuldig

Your useless comments are the "real wrong." Do a little research and educate yourself before posting.

[QUOTE="rastan"][QUOTE="Stinger78"]

My tv must be unique since it will change the resolution (it shows it in the upper right corner of the screen every time it does) and instead of "up-scaling" it actually just stretches whatever is less than 1920x1080 to fill the screen. It may just be because I have all the inputs set to fill the screen, but that's what happens here.

My PC is outputting through component - and I have it running at 1804x1014 to compensate for overscan (where the edges of the screen "go past" the corners) - my Xbox 360 is also going out through component and is set to 1080i - my PS3 is going through HDMI and is set to 1080p. When I run my original Xbox or a PS2 - both also through component - the screen will adjust and it will say 480i, 480p, 720p, or 1080i depending on the game.

Mine is a Sony Bravia 50" LCD Projection TV.

hofuldig

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]I think you would be hard pressed to tell the difference on a 42 inch tv unless side by side. shawty1984

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]I think you would be hard pressed to tell the difference on a 42 inch tv unless side by side. BaconB1ts123

Viewing distance matters. The difference is very obvious IF you view it at the correct distances.

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]I think you would be hard pressed to tell the difference on a 42 inch tv unless side by side. BaconB1ts123

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

Why?

shawty1984

Well you go ahead and sit 2ft from your tv kid. 720p and 1080p are hardly different unless on a 50 inch or bigger tv. I have a 32" 1080p sharp, a 42" 1080p Panasonic g25, and a 50" 1080p samsung plasma (2008 ). I can tell the difference on the 50" at about 5 ft, but on the 42" I have to really look for it in things like grass and stuff. So believe what you want about who knows what, but I have switched back and forth with both the ps3 and xbox between all 3 and it looks great at 720 and 1080.

BaconB1ts123

That's great that those are the distances you notice different resolutions at, but that's -you- and that's completely subjective. Here's a general chart to use as a guideline:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

...but even that is completely subjective. I have a 62" DLP, a 37" LCD and a DLP projector casting an 80" image (all 1080p). There's no way for you to know how far I sit from any of them unless I tell you.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]

Well you go ahead and sit 2ft from your tv kid. 720p and 1080p are hardly different unless on a 50 inch or bigger tv. I have a 32" 1080p sharp, a 42" 1080p Panasonic g25, and a 50" 1080p samsung plasma (2008 ). I can tell the difference on the 50" at about 5 ft, but on the 42" I have to really look for it in things like grass and stuff. So believe what you want about who knows what, but I have switched back and forth with both the ps3 and xbox between all 3 and it looks great at 720 and 1080.

Byshop

That's great that those are the distances you notice different resolutions at, but that's -you- and that's completely subjective. Here's a general chart to use as a guideline:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

...but even that is completely subjective. I have a 62" DLP, a 37" LCD and a DLP projector casting an 80" image (all 1080p). There's no way for you to know how far I sit from any of them unless I tell you.

-Byshop

I fail to see your point. I was commenting on the post saying that a 22" screen is as good as a big screen. Maybe follow the posts a bit before posting?BaconB1ts123

I always read the thread before I reply, and the other poster didn't say that a 22" screen is as good as a big screen. His point is the same as mine, that whether or not 1080p matters on something less than a giant screen is dependant on the individual and the application. Your original statement that you "would be hard pressed to tell the difference on a 42 inch tv unless side by side" is one that I disagree with because it is based on assumptions about the OP's eyesight, viewing distance, etc. Also, it's not terribly helpful.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"] Because.....it is only 42 inches.

BaconB1ts123

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"] Because.....it is only 42 inches.

BaconB1ts123

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]

Well you go ahead and sit 2ft from your tv kid. 720p and 1080p are hardly different unless on a 50 inch or bigger tv. I have a 32" 1080p sharp, a 42" 1080p Panasonic g25, and a 50" 1080p samsung plasma (2008 ). I can tell the difference on the 50" at about 5 ft, but on the 42" I have to really look for it in things like grass and stuff. So believe what you want about who knows what, but I have switched back and forth with both the ps3 and xbox between all 3 and it looks great at 720 and 1080.

BaconB1ts123

That's great that those are the distances you notice different resolutions at, but that's -you- and that's completely subjective. Here's a general chart to use as a guideline:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html

...but even that is completely subjective. I have a 62" DLP, a 37" LCD and a DLP projector casting an 80" image (all 1080p). There's no way for you to know how far I sit from any of them unless I tell you.

-Byshop

The Carlton Bale chart s NOT subjective. It is based on the limits of human vision to see a certain resolution from a certain size display based on 20/20 vision.rastan

Not everone has 20/20 vision, which is why viewing distance is still subjective. Even if the maximum viewing distance for you to discern different resolutions could never under any circumstances be greater than the distances in the chart (assuming nobody has better than 20/20 vision, which obviously isn't true), it could always be less depending on the individual's eyesight.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

So?

Why is the internet full of people trying to talk about something they clearly know nothing about.

You could tell if it was 22", if sat at the correct distance.

shawty1984

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"] Well you go ahead and sit 2ft from your tv kid. 720p and 1080p are hardly different unless on a 50 inch or bigger tv. I have a 32" 1080p sharp, a 42" 1080p Panasonic g25, and a 50" 1080p samsung plasma (2008 ). I can tell the difference on the 50" at about 5 ft, but on the 42" I have to really look for it in things like grass and stuff. So believe what you want about who knows what, but I have switched back and forth with both the ps3 and xbox between all 3 and it looks great at 720 and 1080.

BaconB1ts123

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

Sigh, do some research, come back when you know the facts.

The difference between 720p and 1080p is the same be it at 22" or 100" If both are viewed from the correct distance, please understand this.

shawty1984

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"] You will have to come back when you get a tv bigger than 22". There is no credit to what you say until you do. Until then you are only guessing.

BaconB1ts123

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

Your just been silly now because you have lost the argument and have nothing better to add.

Firstly, I have a 24" monitor/TV, not 22".

Secondly, you dont know what my experiance or knowledge is on this matter, but I can tell you now, its much more than what you know.

Go and do some research before spouting off with stuff you clearly know nothing about.

shawty1984

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="BaconB1ts123"] Oh wow a 24" inch monitor!!! I do know your experience because you posted it - a 24" monitor (having an HDMI doesn't make it a tv). You have posted over and over across posts that your tv is very small and you don't have a big one. A bigger tv with HD will look worlds better that a smaller one when you sit on the couch with your mates. A smaller one would be fine if you HAD to sit close but who wants that?

BaconB1ts123