Help! Did I upgrade or downgrade my motherboard?

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#1 Adversary16
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I've had the GigabyteGA-965P-DQ6 motherboard for 5 years until recently. Since it doesn't work anymore, I decided to replace it with the GigabyteGA-G31M-ES2L. However I noticed a considerable drop in overall system performance, especially in the graphics department. Looking at the specifications, which motherboard would you PC Hardware experts say is better, or perhaps they are about the same and I just haven't optimised the BIOS settings? Further information include:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700

GFX Card: Nvidia 8800 GTX

RAM: 2x2GB RAM, clocking at 800 MHz

Thanks in advance!

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#3 Tezcatlipoca666
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There shouldn't be much of a noticeable difference..

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#4 Adversary16
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There shouldn't be much of a noticeable difference..

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Really? Then I have no idea what could have caused such a significant decrease in gaming performance. Even the score for gaming performance in Windows 7 built-in benchmark dropped from 6.9 to 5.9 and even to 3.8 on a rerun test. I haven't changed anything, except the motherboard.
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#5 darksusperia
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did you reinstall windows for the new motherboard?
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did you reinstall windows for the new motherboard?darksusperia
No. :| Could that be the cause?
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#7 darksusperia
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you must reinstall windows when changing motherboards.
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#8 C_Rule
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The first one is definitely better, but the other shouldn't decrease performance (unless you're overclocking).
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#9 Adversary16
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I just reinstalled Windows 7 and CPU, RAM and HDD scores are fine now. However, GPU score is still very low and so is in-game performance. It's very annoying, especially now that I know this isn't normal. Any suggestions? Thanks for previous replies! :)
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#10 darksusperia
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using latest drivers for the gpu?
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using latest drivers for the gpu?darksusperia
Yes. I'm highly suspecting the motherboard, or the BIOS settings since they are the only variables I've changed. Or perhaps, the RAM chips since I've changed them too. Then again, the RAM performance is the same as before so I don't think that's it.
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#12 broken_bass_bin
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Did you install the Windows drivers for the new chipset?

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#13 Adversary16
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Did you install the Windows drivers for the new chipset?

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Yes. I don't know what to do.
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Have you gone into the Bios and tweaked your settings? It's possible the Bios of your prior motherboard had higher performance (some form of "Turbo" or "Ultra," or some other flamboyant language) as its default setting, or you had tweaks in the prior board you've forgotten, but I'm taking a shot in the dark.

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#15 Tezcatlipoca666
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You disabled the motherboards integrated graphics as well?

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Have you gone into the Bios and tweaked your settings? It's possible the Bios of your prior motherboard had higher performance (some form of "Turbo" or "Ultra," or some other flamboyant language) as its default setting, or you had tweaks in the prior board you've forgotten, but I'm taking a shot in the dark.

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Yeah, I've set Robust Graphics Booster to Turbo in the old motherboard. I've changed it in the new motherboard as well, but there was no gain in performance whatsoever. The new board includes a new setting (Performance Enhance), which the old one lacked but changing it to anything other than its default option (From Standard to Turbo or Extreme) causes my computer to set the onboard graphics as first display.

You disabled the motherboards integrated graphics as well?

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You may be on to something because I haven't disabled the onboard graphics. My computer sometimes even refuses to display the DVI output. I would have disabled it but I don't know how. The relevant settings I've come across are: Init Display First which I've set to PEG so that it accepts my PCI-E graphics card as first display and Onboard VGA which I've set to Enable if no exit PEG. There is no option to disable it. The other option is Always Enable. Is there a way to completely disable the onbaord graphics using the motherboard jumper, for instance?

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I've also stumbled across the possible cause of slow GPU performance in Yahoo! answers. Apparently, my new motherboard only has a PCI-E x16 1.1 and I'm assuming that my 8800GTX should be inserted in a PCI-E x16 2.0 for maximum performance. Can anyone confirm this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100507181642AA3E7R5
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I've also stumbled across the possible cause of slow GPU performance in Yahoo! answers. Apparently, my new motherboard only has a PCI-E x16 1.1 and I'm assuming that my 8800GTX should be inserted in a PCI-E x16 2.0 for maximum performance. Can anyone confirm this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100507181642AA3E7R5Adversary16

That won't make any difference. That 8800 GTX is nowhere close to saturating the bandwidth on 1.1.

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[QUOTE="Adversary16"]I've also stumbled across the possible cause of slow GPU performance in Yahoo! answers. Apparently, my new motherboard only has a PCI-E x16 1.1 and I'm assuming that my 8800GTX should be inserted in a PCI-E x16 2.0 for maximum performance. Can anyone confirm this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100507181642AA3E7R5middle-earth88

That won't make any difference. That 8800 GTX is nowhere close to saturating the bandwidth on 1.1.

mhm i got a 5830 and my 1.0 slot doesnt even flinch in the face of it

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I heard that if you have an integrated GPU, you you boot first with the integrated GPU, then install your card later

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#22 middle-earth88
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I heard that if you have an integrated GPU, you you boot first with the integrated GPU, then install your card later

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Not necessary. I booted my pc with the 5850 first without using the integrated GPU.

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[QUOTE="wolverine_97"]

I heard that if you have an integrated GPU, you you boot first with the integrated GPU, then install your card later

middle-earth88

Not necessary. I booted my pc with the 5850 first without using the integrated GPU.

How do you completely disable it? Is there even a way to do it on a Gigabyte motherboard?
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#24 Tezcatlipoca666
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In your bios set "Init display first" to "PEG" and set "Onboard VGA" to "Enable if no ext PEG". Both should be under Advanced BIOS options.

If they are already set to that then it's probably not related to the onboard graphics.

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[QUOTE="wolverine_97"]

I heard that if you have an integrated GPU, you you boot first with the integrated GPU, then install your card later

middle-earth88

Not necessary. I booted my pc with the 5850 first without using the integrated GPU.

Something i saw on a "how to build a PC" video. TBH the guy was using a HD 5770 on a Diablotek 950watt pSU
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[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"] Yeah, both settings have already been changed. Yet, every time I shut down my computer and then turn it on again, it still sets the onboard graphics as first display. When I go to the BIOS settings, nothing has changed and then I exit BIOS and it uses my 8800GTX. It doesn't happen when I restart though. I have tried reverting the BIOS settings and changing them again but that didn't make a difference. That's why I wondering if I did something wrong.
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[QUOTE="wolverine_97"]

I heard that if you have an integrated GPU, you you boot first with the integrated GPU, then install your card later

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Not necessary. I booted my pc with the 5850 first without using the integrated GPU.

Something i saw on a "how to build a PC" video. TBH the guy was using a HD 5770 on a Diablotek 950watt pSU

You mean physically removing the card and then istall it later?
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#27 BLaZiNg_SPEED
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Have you reinstalled windows yet?

You need to reinstall the operating system and reformat your harddrive!

I have exactly the same gigabyte motherboard with Quad-Core Q6600 processor. I don't have this problem. Previously had a packard bell motherboard. I had to reinstall windows and everything from scratch. That means losing any other programs that I had previously installed.

This may take you a day or two but in the end it should sort it.

Once you put the motherboard then you must connect your graphics card. Then turn on your computer! The onboard chipset would be disabled. Thus it will be your dedicated graphics card that will be your default card.

Hope this helps.

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Have you reinstalled windows yet?

You need to reinstall the operating system and reformat your harddrive!

I have exactly the same gigabyte motherboard with Quad-Core Q6600 processor. I don't have this problem. Previously had a packard bell motherboard. I had to reinstall windows and everything from scratch. That means losing any other programs that I had previously installed.

This may take you a day or two but in the end it should sort it.

Once you put the motherboard then you must connect your graphics card. Then turn on your computer! The onboard chipset would be disabled. Thus it will be your dedicated graphics card that will be your default card.

Hope this helps.

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Yeah, I did. Or do you mean that I have to reformat my hard drive and reinstall Windows before inserting the card onto the board?
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#29 BLaZiNg_SPEED
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[QUOTE="BLaZiNg_SPEED"]

Have you reinstalled windows yet?

You need to reinstall the operating system and reformat your harddrive!

I have exactly the same gigabyte motherboard with Quad-Core Q6600 processor. I don't have this problem. Previously had a packard bell motherboard. I had to reinstall windows and everything from scratch. That means losing any other programs that I had previously installed.

This may take you a day or two but in the end it should sort it.

Once you put the motherboard then you must connect your graphics card. Then turn on your computer! The onboard chipset would be disabled. Thus it will be your dedicated graphics card that will be your default card.

Hope this helps.

Adversary16

Yeah, I did. Or do you mean that I have to reformat my hard drive and reinstall Windows before inserting the card onto the board?

You need to reformat the hard drive first.

Go to start Computer, right click C and click Format... Then after that. Shut down your PC. Insert your graphics card.

Then insert your Windows operating CD ROM. Completely uninstall it. And then freshly install it again.

Then install the CD rom of your GIGABYTE motherboard as well.

Once you see that you don't have any programs installed. That means a virtually empty hard disk. Meaning you should have at least 90% space on your hard disk after this.

If you got all the other programs, etc installed. That means you did not format your hard drive and thus it could cause conflict with your new motherboard. There are traces left from your old motherboard that can interfere with your new motherboard.

That's why formating the hard disk space is always recommended when putting in a new motherboard.:)