How big of a part does CPU play in FPS or maximum possible graphical quality.

Was just browsing various PC stores today out of boredom cause I missed traffic and was early for work. Ended up telling a salesman that I plan on buying a gaming PC and he tried to put the moves on me. Started talking about how his new processor made his graphic card stronger, improved its graphical performance etc etc.

I just kinda nodded at him, he seemed to be enjoying himself.

Now, I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm asking you if he's wrong. What do you think? Can it make that large of an improvement or was he simply being a salesperson.

Yes, the salesman is indeed correct. The type of CPU that you have can dramatically improve or hinder a videocards performance...superclocked

man i shoulda been with you.. would have schooled "pedro the pc peddler" (my nickname for those that try n forcefeed you the more expensive models) upside the head. i did it once so bad i scared a dude at futureshop into a smokebreak XD

man i shoulda been with you.. would have schooled "pedro the pc peddler" (my nickname for those that try n forcefeed you the more expensive models) upside the head. i did it once so bad i scared a dude at futureshop into a smokebreak XD

ionusX

The futureshop guys are the worst! They literally lie and make up the most outrageous BS...

On topic: The graphical quality will not improve with a better CPU although, depending on the game and your video card, a better CPU can lead to higher framerates.

for gaming, you want a CPU that can handle the GPU's workload. The video card can only work as fast as the CPU can process it, they work as a team. As long as you arent throttling a high end card with a cheap CPU, you'll be fine

man i shoulda been with you.. would have schooled "pedro the pc peddler" (my nickname for those that try n forcefeed you the more expensive models) upside the head. i did it once so bad i scared a dude at futureshop into a smokebreak XD

ionusX

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

man i shoulda been with you.. would have schooled "pedro the pc peddler" (my nickname for those that try n forcefeed you the more expensive models) upside the head. i did it once so bad i scared a dude at futureshop into a smokebreak XD

MonsieurX

On topic: The graphical quality will not improve with a better CPU although, depending on the game and your video card, a better CPU can lead to higher framerates.

Tezcatlipoca666

CPUs are not bottlenecking moderns system, because a lot if not most of processing in games was dumped on GPU (psyx, etc).

To give you an example, I used to have 4-year old C2D Pentium Processor (E6750) clocked at 3.2Ghz. When I upgraded the video card last year from GTS 8800 512MB to GTX 460 the FPS improvement in games (as well as graphical detail) was very substantial.

This year I upgraded my E6750 CPU to i5-2500K (3.3Ghz) and I noticed ZERO improvement in Battlefield 3. So my 4-year old CPU was not the bottleneck. Once I added second GTX 460 to system I saw a very substantial improvemen in Battlefield 3.

From a recent article I read, as long as you have Dual Core CPU clocked around 3.4 - 3.6Ghz it won't bottleneck even GTX580 and above.

This is all from gaming point of view of course, we're not talking about video encoding and things of that nature.

I noticed a substancial improvement in all my games when I went from an HD 4770 512MB to an HD 6850 1GB. This was when I had an Athlon II X2 @ 3.4 Ghz.

So yeah, the GPU is far more important in modern games.

CPUs are not bottlenecking moderns system, because a lot if not most of processing in games was dumped on GPU (psyx, etc).

To give you an example, I used to have 4-year old C2D Pentium Processor (E6750) clocked at 3.2Ghz. When I upgraded the video card last year from GTS 8800 512MB to GTX 460 the FPS improvement in games (as well as graphical detail) was very substantial.

This year I upgraded my E6750 CPU to i5-2500K (3.3Ghz) and I noticed ZERO improvement in Battlefield 3. So my 4-year old CPU was not the bottleneck. Once I added second GTX 460 to system I saw a very substantial improvemen in Battlefield 3.

From a recent article I read, as long as you have Dual Core CPU clocked around 3.4 - 3.6Ghz it won't bottleneck even GTX580 and above.

This is all from gaming point of view of course, we're not talking about video encoding and things of that nature.

Creative

[QUOTE="Creative"]

CPUs are not bottlenecking moderns system, because a lot if not most of processing in games was dumped on GPU (psyx, etc).

To give you an example, I used to have 4-year old C2D Pentium Processor (E6750) clocked at 3.2Ghz. When I upgraded the video card last year from GTS 8800 512MB to GTX 460 the FPS improvement in games (as well as graphical detail) was very substantial.

This year I upgraded my E6750 CPU to i5-2500K (3.3Ghz) and I noticed ZERO improvement in Battlefield 3. So my 4-year old CPU was not the bottleneck. Once I added second GTX 460 to system I saw a very substantial improvemen in Battlefield 3.

From a recent article I read, as long as you have Dual Core CPU clocked around 3.4 - 3.6Ghz it won't bottleneck even GTX580 and above.

This is all from gaming point of view of course, we're not talking about video encoding and things of that nature.

superclocked

Every review of bf3 performance shows that GPU matters the most by far.

In modern times CPU matters much less than GPU.

Anyone who says otherwise is following an antiquated way of thinking.

[QUOTE="Creative"]

CPUs are not bottlenecking moderns system, because a lot if not most of processing in games was dumped on GPU (psyx, etc).

To give you an example, I used to have 4-year old C2D Pentium Processor (E6750) clocked at 3.2Ghz. When I upgraded the video card last year from GTS 8800 512MB to GTX 460 the FPS improvement in games (as well as graphical detail) was very substantial.

This year I upgraded my E6750 CPU to i5-2500K (3.3Ghz) and I noticed ZERO improvement in Battlefield 3. So my 4-year old CPU was not the bottleneck. Once I added second GTX 460 to system I saw a very substantial improvemen in Battlefield 3.

From a recent article I read, as long as you have Dual Core CPU clocked around 3.4 - 3.6Ghz it won't bottleneck even GTX580 and above.

This is all from gaming point of view of course, we're not talking about video encoding and things of that nature.

superclocked

It was a general statement on my part. YES - your older C2D most likely would have to sweat like a pig (100% load) to keep up with modern card, bottlenecking it? I would not see FPS boost from doing to 1.1Ghz on card even with i7. Tell me this, do you have HUGE FPS dips or anything of that nature while gaming? I would assume not, even though your CPU is loaded to 100%, it still keeps the game running smoothly.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ionusX"]

man i shoulda been with you.. would have schooled "pedro the pc peddler" (my nickname for those that try n forcefeed you the more expensive models) upside the head. i did it once so bad i scared a dude at futureshop into a smokebreak XD

ionusX

Retail sales pays very close to minimum wage.

Anyone with any real knowledge has a real job making much more.

Never expect the sales people to ever know anything more than "we sell that over here" or "I have one in the back I will go get that for you"

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="Creative"]

CPUs are not bottlenecking moderns system, because a lot if not most of processing in games was dumped on GPU (psyx, etc).

To give you an example, I used to have 4-year old C2D Pentium Processor (E6750) clocked at 3.2Ghz. When I upgraded the video card last year from GTS 8800 512MB to GTX 460 the FPS improvement in games (as well as graphical detail) was very substantial.

This year I upgraded my E6750 CPU to i5-2500K (3.3Ghz) and I noticed ZERO improvement in Battlefield 3. So my 4-year old CPU was not the bottleneck. Once I added second GTX 460 to system I saw a very substantial improvemen in Battlefield 3.

From a recent article I read, as long as you have Dual Core CPU clocked around 3.4 - 3.6Ghz it won't bottleneck even GTX580 and above.

This is all from gaming point of view of course, we're not talking about video encoding and things of that nature.

Creative

It was a general statement on my part. YES - your older C2D most likely would have to sweat like a pig (100% load) to keep up with modern card, bottlenecking it? I would not see FPS boost from doing to 1.1Ghz on card even with i7. Tell me this, do you have HUGE FPS dips or anything of that nature while gaming? I would assume not, even though your CPU is loaded to 100%, it still keeps the game running smoothly.

FWIW, I saw a good impovement in performance in BF:BC2 by overclocking my Athlon II x3 to 3.5GHz, and I'm only running a pair of 4850's in Crossfire. And even now, I experience some slowdowns during explosions and when building collapse.I wouldn't be surprised if upgrading to a Phenom II quad core alleviates the slow downs.

I once had a problem with the mobo on my laptop...
Everything was freezing while posting, or touchpad and keayboard and usb port stop functionning randomly needing a reboot that sometimes ended with a bios freeze again.

Took it to future shop cause that notebook was under warranty.
One month later, came back from their ''Specialised repair center'', cause of the problem, a faulty HDD causing the computer to not load windows...

Hemm, that hdd was a ****ty old Hdd in put in cause I wasn't gonna let them go away with my SSD. ho, and the pc was still not working, and they repaired the cpu fan, wich was actually working fine before, but was now getting stuck in something causing the computer to vibrate like hell.

Sencond diagnostic from them. The screen is causing the computer to not boot because of moisture under the protective glass and therefore needs a 483$ screen replacement... hemm, right.......

After threats, I got a new PC... FOR FREE.... F' YA...

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Going to FS\BB and pwn those salesmnan is quite funkraken2109

I assumed correctly then, but I wasn't sure so I asked instead :)

Thank you, seems he was just trying to sell me stuff. He sounded fairly convincing as well, if I wasn't already going to buy an i5 2500k he may have persuaded me too with his propoganda.

I learned a lot from this thread though, thanks and I'll put the knowledge to good use :)

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="ionusX"] indeed

wis3boi

[QUOTE="wis3boi"][QUOTE="kraken2109"] I was in PC world the other day, the claims made on the box of an nvidia 6200 are quite funny.kraken2109