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#1 Ameer27
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I don't know why, but I keep thinking that I should be good at every game I play. Before, I didn't think like this, only recently. This is preventing me from enjoying many games. I'm either not interested to show off my skills or to be extremely good at any of my games, I just care to enjoy them, but I don't know why I'm thinking like this...

I also keep wondering that if playing multiplayer mode makes you better at singleplayer mode. Does it? And if yes, then how would one be better at a game that has no multiplayer mode?

Another thing that puzzles me is: If most singeplayer games are only around 8-10 hours long, then you don't have the time to get good at them, and also even to learn everything about them. Do you agree with this?

Thanks in advance.

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#2 ionusX
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i believe you need to go play some dumb games.. the titles that people buy just for the heck of it.

a reckless disregard for gravity, carmaggeddon, etc. etc...

the titles with low standards and high mileage. games you play for the purpose of dicking around with not playing for rep.

other titles are ones which make you enjoy the journey more than the result.. personnaly id recommend the path.. its a super little budget title on steam for all fo 10 bucks.

personnaly i enjoy just messing around in alien shooter games or painkiller.. and finding new and interesting ways of murdering the legions of the damned... for example i once finish the mility base level of painkiller using only my shotgun :P

having mad skills is great and all but sometimes its worth your time to just mess with the system and see what happens :P

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I thought like you. I played for fun and when a game started to get boring I stopped. So I didnt finish any game :)

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#4 Ameer27
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I thought like you. I played for fun and when a game started to get boring I stopped. So I didnt finish any game :)

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What do you exactly mean by saying that you thought like me? Did you mean that you started thinking that you should play games for skill? Because that's how 'm thinking now... Though, as I said in my original post, I don't want to think like this.
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Playing Vivisector and nothing but. Great mindless fun.
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#6 Ameer27
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Anyone has more ideas?
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Anyone has more ideas?Ameer27

Buy Angry Birds for iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad.

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[QUOTE="Ameer27"]Anyone has more ideas?Buttons1990

Buy Angry Birds for iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad.

No I'm not asking which game should I get... And I also have neither of those things you mentioned :) Read my first original post...
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You don't have to be good at a single player game unless it's a hard game like STALKER or ARMA 2, but otherwise, don't be bothered by not being good, unless you're playing multiplayer games... You shouldn't be bothered by this, it's not like there was anyone at your shoulder watching you play, but on multiplayer, BE GOOD AT IT!
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Make sure you focus not only on the gameplay, but also the textual part of the 'game' -story, setting, themes, characters etc. Some games distinctly seperate the story from the gameplay: DOOM for instance. Others, such as System Shock, incorporate the story directly into the game with in-game books, emails, transmissions and NPCs. It's games like that which can simultaneously satisfy the want for a challenging game and also an intriguing story/setting.

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[QUOTE="rmfd341"]You don't have to be good at a single player game unless it's a hard game like STALKER or ARMA 2, but otherwise, don't be bothered by not being good, unless you're playing multiplayer games... You shouldn't be bothered by this, it's not like there was anyone at your shoulder watching you play, but on multiplayer, BE GOOD AT IT!

Well, your reply was really helpful. You said that I don't have to be good at a singleplayer game unless it's a hard one. So, I have a question: If I come across a hard game, do you suggest that I play it on easiest difficulty settings first and then move on to harder difficulties? Also, on multiplayer, what I think is that you are compelled to be good, even if you don't want to. I'm saying this because in singleplayer games you don't play as much as you do in multiplayer. And playing a multiplayer game so much absolutely makes you good at it. For example, I've been playing Warcraft III, and when I tried playing multiplayer, at first I kept losing, then I got much better as I kept playing.
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#12 Ameer27
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Make sure you focus not only on the gameplay, but also the textual part of the 'game' -story, setting, themes, characters etc. Some games distinctly seperate the story with the gameplay: DOOM for instance. Others, such as System Shock, incorporate the story directly into the game with in-game books, emails, transmissions and NPCs. It's games like that which can simultaneously satisfy the want for a challenging game and also an intriguing story/setting.kdawg88
Yeah I guess you're right. I should also focus on other elements of the game rather than just on the gameplay...
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[QUOTE="Ameer27"][QUOTE="rmfd341"]You don't have to be good at a single player game unless it's a hard game like STALKER or ARMA 2, but otherwise, don't be bothered by not being good, unless you're playing multiplayer games... You shouldn't be bothered by this, it's not like there was anyone at your shoulder watching you play, but on multiplayer, BE GOOD AT IT!

Well, your reply was really helpful. You said that I don't have to be good at a singleplayer game unless it's a hard one. So, I have a question: If I come across a hard game, do you suggest that I play it on easiest difficulty settings first and then move on to harder difficulties? Also, on multiplayer, what I think is that you are compelled to be good, even if you don't want to. I'm saying this because in singleplayer games you don't play as much as you do in multiplayer. And playing a multiplayer game so much absolutely makes you good at it. For example, I've been playing Warcraft III, and when I tried playing multiplayer, at first I kept losing, then I got much better as I kept playing.

When I'm playing a hard game I start on normal or something like that. You'll only get better at multiplayer games by playing them, something that can be helpful to you, is not shift from game to game for long periods, myself for example, when I got TF2, I couldn't play any game but TF2, and when I suddenly got bored of it and tried to play COD4, I sucked at it, different gameplay styles can screw you up.
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myself for example, when I got TF2, I couldn't play any game but TF2, and when I suddenly got bored of it and tried to play COD4, I sucked at it, different gameplay styles can screw you up.rmfd341
Okay. You have actually helped me very much. I have a question though. When you played COD4, did you start playing, or have you played it before and then returned?
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It seems to me like the competitiveness of multiplayer has gotten to your head. Frist you started the thread about MP needing more skill than SP, and now this topic. I'm not so sure any of us can help you with an obsession for skill. It's kind of sad how focused multiplayer games have become on skill and who is "best."

Multiplayer should be more about enjoying a game while playing with other human beings and reveling in the unpredictability of playing against real opponents. When a game stops being fun and you get mad because you lose...then perhaps you need a break from gaming. It has happened to me before. I used to get extremely upset when I'd lose at Halo. I'd create new accounts just to try and have better kill/death ratios, etc. At some point during all this I believe the game stopped being fun. I quit playing it for a while and now have fallen in love with Halo all over again!

That being said, there is nothing inherently wrong with being competitive. But then it becomes more like a sport rather than simply pure recreation. So maybe have a mix of the two? Have some games that you play just to relax and have one or two MP games that you play competitively.

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I'm enjoying games because of the storyline for examples game like Mass Effect series and Mafia 2, both have good storyline. So i played games mostly because i want to see the story itself

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It seems to me like the competitiveness of multiplayer has gotten to your head. Frist you started the thread about MP needing more skill than SP, and now this topic. I'm not so sure any of us can help you with an obsession for skill. It's kind of sad how focused multiplayer games have become on skill and who is "best."

Multiplayer should be more about enjoying a game while playing with other human beings and reveling in the unpredictability of playing against real opponents. When a game stops being fun and you get mad because you lose...then perhaps you need a break from gaming. It has happened to me before. I used to get extremely upset when I'd lose at Halo. I'd create new accounts just to try and have better kill/death ratios, etc. At some point during all this I believe the game stopped being fun. I quit playing it for a while and now have fallen in love with Halo all over again!

That being said, there is nothing inherently wrong with being competitive. But then it becomes more like a sport rather than simply pure recreation. So maybe have a mix of the two? Have some games that you play just to relax and have one or two MP games that you play competitively.

Sheplerizer
Well, it's not that I want to actually be good in every game. Before, I used to play games and enjoy them (and their storyline) without thinking of how well I'm doing. I actually don't play multiplayer mode in my games. But it all started when I began to realize that MP is seizing SP. Nowadays, many, many people buy games just to play the multiplayer mode of the game, when the game is originally singleplayer. I think that multiplayer games should be completely separate from singleplayer games. I also never get mad when I lose, I just try again. However, when I keep losing constantly, I stop playing for a while (sometimes even a week), and when I play again I'm able to win. I don't actually have an obsession for skill, neither do I care if I'm doing well in a game. But when I saw that many people are addicted to multiplayer games that they don't care to enjoy the game anymore, they just want to win and be better than other people, then I began to think like this. So, you think that if I had a break from gaming, I won't think like this anymore?
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You've been playing competitive games too much. Play more casual games and single player games. Or, more RPG and less RTS and FPS.

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Yeah it's the competative nature of MP games that's got your head in shambles. In SP all you have to do is adapt to the AI's programmed tactics which is usually spot-attack-advance-attack-take cover-attack, very predictable, very easy to adapt to. In MP games it's far more complicated, you have multiple enemies all controlled by individuals who have a far greater computing power than a simple cpu can compete with. Unpredictable and also actively adapting. You rarely see someone jump out from behind a crate completely unprotected and unload an entire clip at you, while your behind cover. Basically your mind is saying I have to get better because it's a natural need to be the best, because if your not better...you die, and if you keep losing your brain doesn't get the old "ada boy!" it needs from all that work it's put into it. Whereas if you play single player games you quickly adapt to the AI tactics and kick some butt on an unlimited basis your brain says "Yay me, I'm the best!!", till it gets bored and doesn't care anymore. Especially if you emerse yourself in gameplay constantly, you mind will try to adapt to this "new hostile environment" of your game and you will begin to become detatched from the outside world. Your brain will begin to replace your real world aquired survival techniques with gameplay survival tactics. Because while you may be entirely aware that your playing a game, if you play very eccessively, your brain will begin to believe that this is a new hostile environment that it needs to protect it's self from. Now I'm not saying that is what your problem is, but it could happen. It COULD happen.

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You should try playing plants vs zombies.

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I always focused in fun and a nice experiance than skill. Thats why i play games with a nice singleplayer compaign that is 5 hours long and easy. I dont care much about difficulity or competition also after playing so many games with repettive freeplay features....i realized there is nothing to learn 100% in the game that is actually worth it. Just have fun, if not then you shouldnt spend your time playing the specific game.
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You should try playing plants vs zombies.

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Everyone should take a lil r'n'r and try this game. Wonderfully fun and simple.
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I always focused in fun and a nice experiance than skill. Thats why i play games with a nice singleplayer compaign that is 5 hours long and easy. I dont care much about difficulity or competition also after playing so many games with repettive freeplay features....i realized there is nothing to learn 100% in the game that is actually worth it. Just have fun, if not then you shouldnt spend your time playing the specific game.dakan45
That's exactly how I used to think, and what I used to do. I don't know how I suddenly switched now... Any suggestions?
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Stop playing online for a week or two and try Torchlight + Plants Vs. Zombies. Why those games out of all the others? If you try to be competitive with them it will ruin the games so you either have fun or quit. After finishing one or both of them get into Team Fortress 2, you can try it competitively (I did for a while) but you don't get nearly as much out of the game if you try that instead of just join a server and have fun like you did in Torchlight + Plants Vs. Zombies.

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Play and learn to love Bioshock. On regular settings there is no penalty and actually sometimes reward (more health) in death. It's a great game, if you can have a fun over skill mindset

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Stop playing online for a week or two and try Torchlight + Plants Vs. Zombies. Why those games out of all the others? If you try to be competitive with them it will ruin the games so you either have fun or quit. After finishing one or both of them get into Team Fortress 2, you can try it competitively (I did for a while) but you don't get nearly as much out of the game if you try that instead of just join a server and have fun like you did in Torchlight + Plants Vs. Zombies.

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Well, as I already said, I don't play multiplayer mode in my games (with the exception of Warcraft 3). I actually don't like multiplayer, as most of the MP players play just to get a higher rank on the leaderboard, or to be "better" than other players, and not to have fun. I think that all that's happening to me started when I tried to play a Warcraft 3 custom match against the computer. I kept losing constantly, so I looked over the Internet for some advice, and one was "practice." So I began to think: "I've never heard of a game that needs practice. I always thought that games were about fun and not practice, practice to be better!" However, I think that RTS games do indeed need practice. Plus, Warcraft 3 was the first RTS I have played. Also, another thing that I thought has an effect on what's happening to me, is that I began to realize that multiplayer is taking over singleplayer, while games are originally singleplayer. I started watching videos on YouTube of people playing multiplayer in, for example CoD6 or Transformers: WFC, and they all were proud of their killstreak or kill/death ratio, when it's only virtual. So, here I began wondering: "Does being good in multiplayer make those players good in singleplayer as well? Or vice versa? Or none?" What do you think? So, do you think that I should stop playing my current games for a while and try Torchlight and Plants vs. Zombies?
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Multiplayer should be about overcoming others, that's the fun, there's no ''playing for fun'' in multiplayer, unless you're screwing your own team or trying to do a knifes only game or something like that on BC2 for example.
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[QUOTE="dakan45"]I always focused in fun and a nice experiance than skill. Thats why i play games with a nice singleplayer compaign that is 5 hours long and easy. I dont care much about difficulity or competition also after playing so many games with repettive freeplay features....i realized there is nothing to learn 100% in the game that is actually worth it. Just have fun, if not then you shouldnt spend your time playing the specific game.Ameer27
That's exactly how I used to think, and what I used to do. I don't know how I suddenly switched now... Any suggestions?

Perhaps you should avoid mp compettive games and try playing easy games with a goal trying diffirent things. Or play the game slowly like you play on a console. That way you will pay more attention to the game rather the challenge.
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Yeah it's the competative nature of MP games that's got your head in shambles. In SP all you have to do is adapt to the AI's programmed tactics which is usually spot-attack-advance-attack-take cover-attack, very predictable, very easy to adapt to. In MP games it's far more complicated, you have multiple enemies all controlled by individuals who have a far greater computing power than a simple cpu can compete with. Unpredictable and also actively adapting. You rarely see someone jump out from behind a crate completely unprotected and unload an entire clip at you, while your behind cover. Basically your mind is saying I have to get better because it's a natural need to be the best, because if your not better...you die, and if you keep losing your brain doesn't get the old "ada boy!" it needs from all that work it's put into it. Whereas if you play single player games you quickly adapt to the AI tactics and kick some butt on an unlimited basis your brain says "Yay me, I'm the best!!", till it gets bored and doesn't care anymore. Especially if you emerse yourself in gameplay constantly, you mind will try to adapt to this "new hostile environment" of your game and you will begin to become detatched from the outside world. Your brain will begin to replace your real world aquired survival techniques with gameplay survival tactics. Because while you may be entirely aware that your playing a game, if you play very eccessively, your brain will begin to believe that this is a new hostile environment that it needs to protect it's self from. Now I'm not saying that is what your problem is, but it could happen. It COULD happen.

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Were you serious? Could what you mentioned really happen? Because I play video games too much.
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[QUOTE="cbillings"]

Yeah it's the competative nature of MP games that's got your head in shambles. In SP all you have to do is adapt to the AI's programmed tactics which is usually spot-attack-advance-attack-take cover-attack, very predictable, very easy to adapt to. In MP games it's far more complicated, you have multiple enemies all controlled by individuals who have a far greater computing power than a simple cpu can compete with. Unpredictable and also actively adapting. You rarely see someone jump out from behind a crate completely unprotected and unload an entire clip at you, while your behind cover. Basically your mind is saying I have to get better because it's a natural need to be the best, because if your not better...you die, and if you keep losing your brain doesn't get the old "ada boy!" it needs from all that work it's put into it. Whereas if you play single player games you quickly adapt to the AI tactics and kick some butt on an unlimited basis your brain says "Yay me, I'm the best!!", till it gets bored and doesn't care anymore. Especially if you emerse yourself in gameplay constantly, you mind will try to adapt to this "new hostile environment" of your game and you will begin to become detatched from the outside world. Your brain will begin to replace your real world aquired survival techniques with gameplay survival tactics. Because while you may be entirely aware that your playing a game, if you play very eccessively, your brain will begin to believe that this is a new hostile environment that it needs to protect it's self from. Now I'm not saying that is what your problem is, but it could happen. It COULD happen.

Ameer27

Were you serious? Could what you mentioned really happen? Because I play video games too much.

I believe it is entirely possible. The beauty of the brain is it is capable of adapting to a changing environment in order to survive. If the environment that it is exposed to is mostly a hostile MP video game it will begin to believe that is the normal environmental condition it exists in, and make changes accordingly.

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I think some people in this thread are talking a bit out of their area of expertise. Personally I find games that require skill to be more fulfilling. I enjoy a good brainless game once in a while though.

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I actually prefer to play all of my games on at least hard difficulty. I don't like the idea of being able to breeze through a game. I want to be challenged. I remember finishing the campaigns of C&C: Generals on easy mode and could not believe how dissatisfied I was at the end. It was so effortless on easy, I might as well had not bothered at all. I'm currently playing the StarCraft 2 campaign on Brutal mode. Having said that, I don't play games for skills though (well, not anymore). The last two games that I did that was Counter Striker 1.6 and World of Warcraft. Both of which happens to be multiplayer games.
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[QUOTE="KhanhAgE"]I actually prefer to play all of my games on at least hard difficulty. I don't like the idea of being able to breeze through a game. I want to be challenged. I remember finishing the campaigns of C&C: Generals on easy mode and could not believe how dissatisfied I was at the end. It was so effortless on easy, I might as well had not bothered at all. I'm currently playing the StarCraft 2 campaign on Brutal mode. Having said that, I don't play games for skills though (well, not anymore). The last two games that I did that was Counter Striker 1.6 and World of Warcraft. Both of which happens to be multiplayer games.

Well, I like challenge, but not to a point where it's extreme that will me even hate the game. I like to be challenged and at the same time enjoy the game, rather than be frustrated by its difficulty. I just don't know why I am lately focusing on getting better rather than having fun...
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#34 Ameer27
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Stop playing online for a week or two and try Torchlight + Plants Vs. Zombies. Why those games out of all the others? If you try to be competitive with them it will ruin the games so you either have fun or quit. After finishing one or both of them get into Team Fortress 2, you can try it competitively (I did for a while) but you don't get nearly as much out of the game if you try that instead of just join a server and have fun like you did in Torchlight + Plants Vs. Zombies.

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What did you mean by saying that trying to be competitive with the two games you mentioned ruins the game? Did you mean it ruins the fun? And what did you mean by "playing competitively? Do you mean playing only to win? Or what exactly?
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Looks like you don't like the games you played, or bored of it
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#36 Sharpie125
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Play co-op, and when you do play against real people, play with friends over Skype.

Unfortunately, you'd have to take a break from competitive-by-nature games. 'Cause if you take it easy there, the only thing you're going to do is feel terrible after all the losing.