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like the topic says, i would like to be able to get some console games onto my pc. I don't know if there is a website where you can download emulated games, in fact i dont know what emulation really is. but im off the topic, if this is possible to do i could really use some help on the subject. any feed back appreciated. :)

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Well, I'm not 100% sure, but I think discussing emulators and where to get them is against forum rules.

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Emulation = bad subject.

If you want to play your consoles on your PC monitor, then get a dosbox.

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Google is your friend.

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Try Zophar's Domain website. Lots of stuff you may be interested in.

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Either get a composite to vga adapter, or use a capture card and Media Player Classic to view capture contents full screen in real time. Then use the input of your sound card with a two composite audio to stereo 1/4" jack from your console to computer and tell you card to monitor the mic/line in.

Emulation is another option however for you to emulate legally you must own the game (and console possibly).

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my bad i didnt think this was a touchy subject w/ the mods.... um i hope i dont get banned...

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#8 neonsuperstar

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You have to take into account the differences in architecture between the pc and the xbox/ps. So if u wanted to emulate a really intense, specialized game like Resistance from ps3 onto a computer, there is no way any computer on the market right now that can match the power of the ps3s cores (and also the xbox360s) thus it is almost a given that performance will be lacklustre.

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You have to take into account the differences in architecture between the pc and the xbox/ps. So if u wanted to emulate a really intense, specialized game like Resistance from ps3 onto a computer, there is no way any computer on the market right now that can match the power of the ps3s cores (and also the xbox360s) thus it is almost a given that performance will be lacklustre.
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Judging by how non-amazing Resistance looks, if they converted it, i doubt it would run with any problem.

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#10 Shadow-Eagle

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You have to take into account the differences in architecture between the pc and the xbox/ps. So if u wanted to emulate a really intense, specialized game like Resistance from ps3 onto a computer, there is no way any computer on the market right now that can match the power of the ps3s cores (and also the xbox360s) thus it is almost a given that performance will be lacklustre.
neonsuperstar

Err. Are you sure no computer can match the power of the PS3?

PS3:

PC:

Judging by these screenshots, I think they can surpass them.

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#11 neonsuperstar

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Not everyone has a computer that runs oblivion at high. Therefore for emulation to be possible, your computer has to be top off the line to meet and surpass console standards. Remember, there is no graphic options for console games!

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#12 Shadow-Eagle

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I realize not everyone has a super high-end computer, heck mine isn't even that great. But you stated no computer on the market could match up to the PS3 ;D

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Not everyone has a computer that runs oblivion at high. Therefore for emulation to be possible, your computer has to be top off the line to meet and surpass console standards. Remember, there is no graphic options for console games!
neonsuperstar

it doesn't have to be TOP OF THE LINE......no, sorry.Fairly recent, sure.

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my bad i didnt think this was a touchy subject w/ the mods.... um i hope i dont get banned...Slave4CK

You won't get banned, but you might expect a warning. Without a doubt, this thread will be locked and/or closed and deleted momentarily. It happens pretty frequently. I'd point out that it's a policy without a lot of merit, by the way. There's never been a single court decision or piece of legislation succesfully condemning console emulation, but the Gamespot mods are only human. Not everything they do makes sense.

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#15 neonsuperstar

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[QUOTE="neonsuperstar"]
Not everyone has a computer that runs oblivion at high. Therefore for emulation to be possible, your computer has to be top off the line to meet and surpass console standards. Remember, there is no graphic options for console games!
BloodMist

it doesn't have to be TOP OF THE LINE......no, sorry.Fairly recent, sure.

I agree. And for example, to run Gears of War on a pc, you'd need a 7900 or a x1900 with a nice dual core system to get a decent frame rate, and i dont think console games would scale very well (considering there are zero allowances for a not-so-good system). Basically, if i really wanted to play a console-exclusive game but had a crappy comp, i'd just buy the console and connect it to the monitor. Imo, emulation is not worth the hassle...

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#16 NamanOWNSyou

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[QUOTE="neonsuperstar"]
You have to take into account the differences in architecture between the pc and the xbox/ps. So if u wanted to emulate a really intense, specialized game like Resistance from ps3 onto a computer, there is no way any computer on the market right now that can match the power of the ps3s cores (and also the xbox360s) thus it is almost a given that performance will be lacklustre.
Shadow-Eagle

Err. Are you sure no computer can match the power of the PS3?

PS3:

PC:

Judging by these screenshots, I think they can surpass them.

. You have no clue, do you? He's talking about emulating the PS3 or Xbox 360 onto a PC. You can't even do that efficiently with a PS2 or an Xbox 1, either. Of course, if the game is multi-platform and is PC, the PC would dominate (unless they make all version similar with no eye candies...)

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Intel/AMD Core 4 Dual-Quad-Extreme 64 FX-120 E8000++(8 cores @ 3.2ghz)
16 Gb Corsair RAM Triple-X 8500C10
Octa-SLI nVidia/ATi RadeonForce 9950XTX GTX-Ultra Pro PCI-E 1gbX8
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Do you really have that setup? What that run you 15K?

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#18 neonsuperstar

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[QUOTE="neonsuperstar"][QUOTE="BloodMist"][QUOTE="neonsuperstar"]
Not everyone has a computer that runs oblivion at high. Therefore for emulation to be possible, your computer has to be top off the line to meet and surpass console standards. Remember, there is no graphic options for console games!
Alkpaz

it doesn't have to be TOP OF THE LINE......no, sorry.Fairly recent, sure.

I agree. And for example, to run Gears of War on a pc, you'd need a 7900 or a x1900 with a nice dual core system to get a decent frame rate, and i dont think console games would scale very well (considering there are zero allowances for a not-so-good system). Basically, if i really wanted to play a console-exclusive game but had a crappy comp, i'd just buy the console and connect it to the monitor. Imo, emulation is not worth the hassle...

Do you really have that setup? What that run you 15K?

No i don't have the privilege of having a 79/x19. I'm merely postulating that such a computer will be the minimum to run the latest console games at a decent frame rate. Unless u are refering to the one in my sig, which is obviously a joke. :D

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[QUOTE="neonsuperstar"]No i don't have the privilege of having a 79/x19. I'm merely postulating that such a computer will be the minimum to run the latest console games at a decent frame rate. Unless u are refering to the one in my sig, which is obviously a joke. :D

Which is of course, absurd.

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#20 Scott_the_Snow

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And its a very funny one too, neosuperstar. I never read computer spec sigs, I almost missed it.

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Actually, the person who posted those Oblivion pix has a P4 3.0 HT processor.. SINGLE CORE.. top of the line comp necessary? No.. but a decent 160-250 dollar graphics card sure. 7900GS.. not even a GTX! Yes, you need a top of the line comp to play Oblivion.

But since this discussion is better had in the System Wars section of GS.. I will leave it at that :)

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Actually, the person who posted those Oblivion pix has a P4 3.0 HT processor.. SINGLE CORE.. top of the line comp necessary? No.. but a decent 160-250 dollar graphics card sure. 7900GS.. not even a GTX! Yes, you need a top of the line comp to play Oblivion.

But since this discussion is better had in the System Wars section of GS.. I will leave it at that :)
Alkpaz

Single core... yes, but HT, remember that means two threads per core. therefore it's like pseudo dual core.... like mine lol. Anyway but yeah to emulate there is now way any computer would be able to to do it flawlessly. Remember though people, Xbox360 and PS3 don't have out of order instruction processing (SSE SSE2 MMX etc...) like pretty much all modern desktop processors since the late 90's have. Therefore those processors, no matter how many cores they have, although it helps, are a lot slower then most desktop processors.

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[QUOTE="Alkpaz"]Actually, the person who posted those Oblivion pix has a P4 3.0 HT processor.. SINGLE CORE.. top of the line comp necessary? No.. but a decent 160-250 dollar graphics card sure. 7900GS.. not even a GTX! Yes, you need a top of the line comp to play Oblivion.

But since this discussion is better had in the System Wars section of GS.. I will leave it at that :)
Marfoo

Single core... yes, but HT, remember that means two threads per core. therefore it's like pseudo dual core.... like mine lol. Anyway but yeah to emulate there is now way any computer would be able to to do it flawlessly. Remember though people, Xbox360 and PS3 don't have out of order instruction processing (SSE SSE2 MMX etc...) like pretty much all modern desktop processors since the late 90's have. Therefore those processors, no matter how many cores they have, although it helps, are a lot slower then most desktop processors.

True in the since of GENERAL TASK PROCESSING such as required for Windows Vista, look the CPU's structure in this gens consoles are exactly like an Nvidia/ATI GPU in the since that they run code IN ORDER which is very task specific which is exactly whats needed for gaming! Not the myraid of computer configuration out there (different parts, drivers, ect.) Would you use an Ferrari Enzo to tow cattle (even though it may have 2 times the HP and speed) over a Ford Super Duty pick up....obviously NO.

You must also take into consideration the bottlenecking of a GPU when it hits the FSB and Northbridge of a PC which slow's the hell out of performance. This is why there isn't a significant performance increase in a 8800GTX over a 7900GTX (like a whole steady 30+ fps faster in those test done on 2-3 year old games) even though the performance factor of the card has increased, the bottlenecking hasn't improved until of course you upgrade the mobo and it has a newer chipset series (say Nforce 5 to Nforce 6) and yet still these N.Bridges/FSB don't transfer nearly as much data as their console counter parts. (The PS3's 2.? teraflops per second with the 360 at 1.8 and PC's at 4-8 hundred gigaflops)

Now of course it's up to devs to unlock this and as of late the consoles have gotten the "all around" awards in game development while PC games as of late just look good (Oblivion, NWN2, PREY, ect) for the most part these new and unique gameplay features will be on console HW and most likely console exclusive due to the uniformity and raw performance until their end. As far as PC gaming there will only be a few titles that will take advantage of the HW and make for a great expierience such as Crysis or Quake Wars (WoW2 cuz ya kno itz coming) which is why im a console gamer for the most part yet will still upgrade for a few PC exclusive's as well as encoding porn faster....uh i mean working stuff :oops:

So yeah trying to emulate current or even last gen console games is impossible due to the CPU structure and the differences in how (actually all sides) that data is executed and rendered! (Look at the problems 360 has with Xbox 1 games b'cuz of a switch from Nvidia to ATI thats patent tech for ya)

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Lol my comp kinda sucks to! I only have a amd x3800+ 1gb ram and a puny 7900gt I wish I had that comp in your sig!! LOL

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#25 neonsuperstar

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Lol my comp kinda sucks to! I only have a amd x3800+ 1gb ram and a puny 7900gt I wish I had that comp in your sig!! LOLLouieV13

Still considering upgrading further, maybe double my RAM. Only running oblivion at max wif 32xAA and AF, 2048x1536, @ 140fps, that just sucks. :)

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#26 Aztlan_920228

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Well a good computer can match ps3/x360 games just not emulate because to emulate you need a machines many times more powerfull (high end pcs can emulate ps2/Dc games at playable framerates but have bad compatibility)

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you know, you guys talk like the 7900GTX is low-end. dude... i have a FX5700 and i'm very happy with it atm. i was thinking of upgrading but i'll better wait until crysis comes out and prices drop, hopefully. btw, help me in here, could you name for me a geforce middle-end card, and estimated price? thanks. p.d: i know, wrong forum and stuff. but since you've been talking so much about that. p.d: oh, and talking on-topic, i'd love to play banjo-tooie on my pc... i miss my n64 :(

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[QUOTE="Marfoo"][QUOTE="Alkpaz"]Actually, the person who posted those Oblivion pix has a P4 3.0 HT processor.. SINGLE CORE.. top of the line comp necessary? No.. but a decent 160-250 dollar graphics card sure. 7900GS.. not even a GTX! Yes, you need a top of the line comp to play Oblivion.

But since this discussion is better had in the System Wars section of GS.. I will leave it at that :)
Myugenjin

Single core... yes, but HT, remember that means two threads per core. therefore it's like pseudo dual core.... like mine lol. Anyway but yeah to emulate there is now way any computer would be able to to do it flawlessly. Remember though people, Xbox360 and PS3 don't have out of order instruction processing (SSE SSE2 MMX etc...) like pretty much all modern desktop processors since the late 90's have. Therefore those processors, no matter how many cores they have, although it helps, are a lot slower then most desktop processors.

True in the since of GENERAL TASK PROCESSING such as required for Windows Vista, look the CPU's structure in this gens consoles are exactly like an Nvidia/ATI GPU in the since that they run code IN ORDER which is very task specific which is exactly whats needed for gaming! Not the myraid of computer configuration out there (different parts, drivers, ect.) Would you use an Ferrari Enzo to tow cattle (even though it may have 2 times the HP and speed) over a Ford Super Duty pick up....obviously NO.

You must also take into consideration the bottlenecking of a GPU when it hits the FSB and Northbridge of a PC which slow's the hell out of performance. This is why there isn't a significant performance increase in a 8800GTX over a 7900GTX (like a whole steady 30+ fps faster in those test done on 2-3 year old games) even though the performance factor of the card has increased, the bottlenecking hasn't improved until of course you upgrade the mobo and it has a newer chipset series (say Nforce 5 to Nforce 6) and yet still these N.Bridges/FSB don't transfer nearly as much data as their console counter parts. (The PS3's 2.? teraflops per second with the 360 at 1.8 and PC's at 4-8 hundred gigaflops)

Now of course it's up to devs to unlock this and as of late the consoles have gotten the "all around" awards in game development while PC games as of late just look good (Oblivion, NWN2, PREY, ect) for the most part these new and unique gameplay features will be on console HW and most likely console exclusive due to the uniformity and raw performance until their end. As far as PC gaming there will only be a few titles that will take advantage of the HW and make for a great expierience such as Crysis or Quake Wars (WoW2 cuz ya kno itz coming) which is why im a console gamer for the most part yet will still upgrade for a few PC exclusive's as well as encoding porn faster....uh i mean working stuff :oops:

So yeah trying to emulate current or even last gen console games is impossible due to the CPU structure and the differences in how (actually all sides) that data is executed and rendered! (Look at the problems 360 has with Xbox 1 games b'cuz of a switch from Nvidia to ATI thats patent tech for ya)

Heh, actually the innovation in consoles is in the Wii.The PS3 and 360 have yet to show jack all for innovation, nor will they ever in the near future.There isn't one game announced for those systems that seems innovative in any way.

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