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#1 Crembo
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Alright , I bought my 1950XT not too long ago , and I'm having a huge problem.

Well , when I start a game , everything runs normaly and smooth. But then , after about 5 minutes the FPS goes down from like 30~ (Lost Planet Demo DX9) to like 5-11 and stays like that. If I'm lucky , it comes back to normal after few seconds but , if I'm not lucky - the PC just stop , and everything is stuck (reset is required). Well , that's with the 7.8 and 7.7 Drivers. Well , than I deleted the drivers from my PC and installed the drivers that I got in the disk (with 1950XT). Well , I turn on (again) Lost Planet Demo and playing it , then , after 10 minutes the FPS falls to about 5-11 and then I exit the game.

Well , the same problem occured to me in the next games (7.7 and 7.8 Catalyst): Neverwinter Nights 2 , Lineage 2 , Tabula Rasa , Dungeon Runners , Lost Planet.

Though the problem doesn't happen in Enemy Territory Wolfenstein and Enemy Territory Quake Wars.

I dunno what to do , I'm really annoyed and want to fix the problem as fast as possible.

Thank you very much , Crembo.

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Alright , I bought my 1950XT not too long ago , and I'm having a huge problem.

Well , when I start a game , everything runs normaly and smooth. But then , after about 5 minutes the FPS goes down from like 30~ (Lost Planet Demo DX9) to like 5-11 and stays like that. If I'm lucky , it comes back to normal after few seconds but , if I'm not lucky - the PC just stop , and everything is stuck (reset is required). Well , that's with the 7.8 and 7.7 Drivers. Well , than I deleted the drivers from my PC and installed the drivers that I got in the disk (with 1950XT). Well , I turn on (again) Lost Planet Demo and playing it , then , after 10 minutes the FPS falls to about 5-11 and then I exit the game.

Well , the same problem occured to me in the next games (7.7 and 7.8 Catalyst): Neverwinter Nights 2 , Lineage 2 , Tabula Rasa , Dungeon Runners , Lost Planet.

Though the problem doesn't happen in Enemy Territory Wolfenstein and Enemy Territory Quake Wars.

I dunno what to do , I'm really annoyed and want to fix the problem as fast as possible.

Thank you very much , Crembo.

Crembo

Are ETW and ETQE Open GL or Direct X?

As I'm pretty sure that the games that are not working properly for you are direct X games. But I may be wrong on this, so feel free to point it out.

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I'm not sure... But I think they're DX cos the graphics are good... Iuno .. Lol , Where to cheack? :S

Though I'm 99% sure that they're DX.

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#4 Crembo
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Anyone help? It's extremly urgent for me... :(
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Is this a recent problem, or has it been like this since day one?
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#6 Crembo
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I bought 1950 XT like a week ago. And it was happening from the first day.
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#7 Crembo
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Ok , I just tried to play with Omega Drivers. Same problem. Still falls to like 5-11 fps and after about 10 seconds it becomes normal again... By the way , the performance of the card went down with Omega Drivers O_O
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#8 Chris_53
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It sounds like something is over heating, or your processor is bottlenecking. What are your other specs?

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#9 Crembo
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Overheating - 100% no.

Processor is AMD Athlon 64 3700.

1GB Ram (dual channel)

Tell me if more info is needed.

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Overheating - 100% no.

Processor is AMD Athlon 64 3700.

1GB Ram (dual channel)

Tell me if more info is needed.

Crembo

Power Supply Unit.

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Coolermaster eXtreme power 430W.
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#12 Wesker776
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Coolermaster eXtreme power 430W.Crembo

How much amps does it have on the +12V rail?

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#13 Crembo
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On the first 12V it's 14A on the second it's 15A.

By the way , I cheack how many amps it needs while playing , it requires only 14.. So it should be alright O_O

(When turning on the game , and first few seconds it's loading up.. so it's around 27 Amps. But the slowdowns happen only after 5-10 minutes of playing.

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#14 Wesker776
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Run some 3D benchmarks like 3DMark06. If it crashes during that, then you've got a hardware problem. Either the PSU is insufficient or the card is faulty.

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#15 Crembo
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Alright , I'll run the tests (3Dmark06 default settings) and then i'll write what I've got...
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#16 Crembo
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F**k. Thats what i can say. I ran that test , and my PC stuck at Canyon Flight... Ah jesus. This is pissing me off, I don't got the nerves required for this piece of s**t. =_=
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#17 Crembo
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I know it's a triple , but it's BUMP , cos it's URGENT.
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#18 Wesker776
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Try replacing the card.

If that doesn't fix the problem then try borrowing a mate's PSU.

It sounds like a hardware problem of some sort. I doubt you would need to do something extreme like formatting, but you never know... You could try updating DX9c again, though.

What I find weird is how it can play some games, but not others...

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#19 Crembo
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Replacing by what?

My mates are bunch of idiots , they don't understand a s**t in hardware and their PC sucks.

I thought about formatting... I even prepared all the drivers for it... :S And yes , I did try to update DX9 , it says it's all up-to-date.

Well yea , I found it annoying...

By the way , I think I didn't say something important:

When I putted back my old GPU (7600GT) it was working weird. Weird? Well , also , after 5 minutes of playing , the fps fall to (AGAIN) 5-11 but it came back to normal again in few seconds.

That's why I though format might help.

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Are you overclocking the card? I had problems with that card untill i relised it was overheating due to me overclocking it too much.
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#21 Crembo
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Do people read what I say? IT"S NOT OVERHEATNG.

And no , I'm not overclocking it.

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Bump...
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[QUOTE="Crembo"]

Alright , I bought my 1950XT not too long ago , and I'm having a huge problem.

Well , when I start a game , everything runs normaly and smooth. But then , after about 5 minutes the FPS goes down from like 30~ (Lost Planet Demo DX9) to like 5-11 and stays like that. If I'm lucky , it comes back to normal after few seconds but , if I'm not lucky - the PC just stop , and everything is stuck (reset is required). Well , that's with the 7.8 and 7.7 Drivers. Well , than I deleted the drivers from my PC and installed the drivers that I got in the disk (with 1950XT). Well , I turn on (again) Lost Planet Demo and playing it , then , after 10 minutes the FPS falls to about 5-11 and then I exit the game.

Well , the same problem occured to me in the next games (7.7 and 7.8 Catalyst): Neverwinter Nights 2 , Lineage 2 , Tabula Rasa , Dungeon Runners , Lost Planet.

Though the problem doesn't happen in Enemy Territory Wolfenstein and Enemy Territory Quake Wars.

I dunno what to do , I'm really annoyed and want to fix the problem as fast as possible.

Thank you very much , Crembo.

G013M

Are ETW and ETQE Open GL or Direct X?

As I'm pretty sure that the games that are not working properly for you are direct X games. But I may be wrong on this, so feel free to point it out.

I believe your right. I know at least ETW is OpenGL

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#24 Crembo
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Wait , so how many games use OpenGL? Lost Planet uses OpenGL?

I don't get it , my technician is 200% sure that IT IS NOT the PSU. He says it's either the card itself , or the drivers are messed up... Well , I'm going to try now 6.1 CCC and I'll report back.

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Do people read what I say? IT"S NOT OVERHEATNG.

And no , I'm not overclocking it.

Crembo

Dude is the video card's fan even going. Ive had a gpu fan die on me i didnt know it and i could only play a game for 5-10 min maybe 15 if I was lucky. then the whole computer would lock up. So I opened the case and watched if the all the fans were going in my case and I seen that the gpu was not working. So I called the company who made the card and asked then to send me a replacement fan. I got it within three days and it was free because it was still under warranty. Put it on it was fine after that.

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#26 kodex1717
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I've heard of a similar problem which can apparently be solved by an alt + tab out and back in. See if that works?
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#27 Crembo
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@04dcarraher - I can assure you that it's 578945327895348958394% that it's NOT overheating . Why? Cos I bought my Zalman Fatal1ty cooler , and it takes off 20 degrees while playing and 15 @ idle.

@kodex1717 - I'm going to try that.

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#28 04dcarraher
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Its a heating issue with the card,ether its the fan, not enough or too much thermal compound on the gpu or its just bad card out of the box. I think its the gpu fan not working.
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#29 kodex1717
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The X1950XT also needs a lot of current. Make sure it's the only thing attached to that power cable. If it's shared by a hard disk or other device, it could be choking at more intensive parts of the game.
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#30 04dcarraher
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ok if your 100000000000000% sure (lol) get ati tools and read your tempetures of the Gpu . heres a link for the program,

http://www.guru3d.com/article/atitraytools/189/ Now since you put that 3rd party cooler you may have did something wrong. Use the program find out the idle gpu temp in windows after its been 15 min. then play a game for 5 minutes and check the temp if you can. 50-60 C idle temps are ok if your idle is in the 70's you have a big problem. Then when you are playing a game and the gpu goes above 85+ C = trouble too.

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#31 Crembo
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@kodex1717 - I tried alt -tab , it didn't help. And the power supply cable is directly from the PSU itself.

But the way , I've noticed that at tense battle , when the fps falls , the GPU VRM (the power connecter) heats upto 90 degrees , though the GPU core itself is at around 70 degrees.

@04dcarraher - look , i'm not stupid , I understand in hardware , and I want to learn more. Though you're not helping me.

Idle is: 48 C for the core. 43 C for ambient. 65 C for VRM.

In Lost Planet it's 70 for core , and around 90 for VRM. I didn't cheack ambient.

Is it any clearer now?

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#32 04dcarraher
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ya this info helps 90c for the memory wow thats hot. Thats 194 F, that might be your problem. You could try after market memory coolers, like this down below. Or just get replacement card ,it should still be under warranty, i wouldexchange it.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1272577&CatId=496

BFG Technologies Graphic Card Memory CoolersVideo Memory Coolers

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#33 kodex1717
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Yeah, I figured it'd be it's own connector, but there was always the chance you were using a Molex --> PCI-e adapter. I also don't think that it'd still be under warranty if you use an after-market cooler. That's the way it goes with CPUs anyways.
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#34 Crembo
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@04dcarraher - VRM = the place where the PCI E power supply connecter is.

@kodex1717 - Well , my technician said it still has warranty.

Well , i'm going to call my technician to come to my house and see the problem itself... If you have any other solutions , please say.

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#35 kodex1717
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If it's still under warranty, I'd return it if your "technician" can't fix it.
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#36 04dcarraher
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If it's still under warranty, I'd return it if your "technician" can't fix it.kodex1717

I would havereturned it last week if i couldnt figure it out the first day

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#37 Crembo
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By the way , there's a weird thing :

When I run the game , the first few minutes the GPU is extremely hot , than it becomes cooler and then the fps falls (AGAIN around 5~).

Another thing I forgot to say , that with the stock cooling , the PC won't crash , but it had fps slowdowns , but they were abit more rare... Maybe I installed the cooler badly?

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#38 harooon
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try formatting yr windows.

u have done everything else i think. u might get luk this time .

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#39 K_r_a_u_s_e_r
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I've had the same problem with the X1950XTX, it was overheating and crashed based on the graphic settings I was using, I had the tone it down and it went away. Also, Omega drivers are crap compared to the new ATI drivers, stay away.
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#40 Crembo
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Jesus. I dunno what to do?

1.Call the technician.

2.Replace the card itself.

3.Format windows.

I don't think I have any other options.

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#41 04dcarraher
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Just make sure you put the stock cooling back on then exchange/get your money back and buy a geforce 7900 or 8600gts

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#42 Makari
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The VRM's are the digital power regulators on the card... they should be under a red 'bar' heatsink on the right side of the card. They do get hot - very hot - and benefit a lot from having some kind of airflow over them. The way you're describing the problem.. I don't know if the X1950XT has automatic thermal throttling or not.. but if it does, I think the thermal protection is kicking in. The game starts, the card's running fine and heating up until the protection kicks in and slows the card down. It's still running hot, but now it's running at slower speeds and you're getting bad FPS. Just a guess, and it's a complete and total guess. The card also does require a fair amount of power. If you're looking at ATi Tool, it'll tell you the card's drawing something like 24-28A under load. I'd be somewhat surprised if your power supply met the minimum recommended, I think they want multiple 18A or one 30+A? You can also probably undervolt the card, though I don't know if it would help. Mine ran at 650/2000 when undervolted to 1.3v 3D mode (stock is 1.4xx)
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#43 MondoCool
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Well, since your other card did this as well, I would go ahead and reformat windows. It is not related to your gpu if the other card did this, if it still persists to do this, I would suspect something wrong with your motherboard or power supply.

Also if people are still stuck about overheating go ahead, and run without a case, and put use the stock cooler if you have an aftermarket heatsink.

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#44 Crembo
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Well, since your other card did this as well, I would go ahead and reformat windows. It is not related to your gpu if the other card did this, if it still persists to do this, I would suspect something wrong with your motherboard or power supply.

Also if people are still stuck about overheating go ahead, and run without a case, and put use the stock cooler if you have an aftermarket heatsink.

MondoCool

Well , it did , but it came back in alot faster , and the pc didn't became stuck - it just had a smalldown and returned to normal after few seconds.

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#45 RayvinAzn
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Since this problem is also happening with your old 7600GT (why did you upgrade from a 7600GT to an X1950XT anyway), your problem likely isn't power or heat. It sounds like something else wrong with your computer - possibly your processor overheating, although that's stretching it quite a bit. Could be bad RAM too, and even though you "only" have 1GB, that should be more than enough to run those games reasonably well (assuming it's all working). Those are all a bit thin though - it could also be your motherboard, a problem with the northbridge or PCI-e slot. Any number of things could be wrong, and none of them will be easy (or even possible) to test without another similar system to try them out on.
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#46 Crembo
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This is impossible , the shop I bought from changed my motherboard , ram AND HDD just like few months ago. And by the way , the problem with the 7600GT didn't happen before I putted in the 1950XT. I mean ,everything was OK before the new GPU.

And I don't think it's overheating , the CPU is at 37 degrees at idle.

F**k that =_="

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#47 Wesker776
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I would just give your PC in for testing.

It could be a number of things: PSU, motherboard, BIOS, Windows, RAM and etc...

Have them conduct a full test set up.

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#48 Crembo
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Alright , I'm going to use my warranty , and give back my 1950XT. Is there anything equal to 1950XT , from nVidia series?

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#49 Wesker776
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Alright , I'm going to use my warranty , and give back my 1950XT. Is there anything equal to 1950XT , from nVidia series?

Crembo

7900GTX, and even then the X1950 XT beats it. :lol:

Alternatively, you could go and get an 8800GTS 320MB.

But if I were you, I would just get the PC tested and see what part is at fault. It could be something stupid like a software problem.

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#50 Crembo
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7900GTX? Nobody is selling this card in my country... There isn't 7800 , 7950. And my PSU isn't strong enough for 88GTS + i'll get a bottle neck with my processor. Tommorow I'm going to change it probably to a new 1950XT...