Hype about Starcraft 2?

So all I see when someone mentions the words "best RTS ever" loads of people immediately say starcraft 2. I played the other day, and while it is not a bad game I can think of quite a few RTS's which are better than it. Of course that is just my opinion but is there something i am missing?

its ridiculously overrated. there's nothing great about it at all. if it had been released under another name secretly by blizz... no one would give two **** about it.

its ridiculously overrated. there's nothing great about it at all. if it had been released under another name secretly by blizz... no one would give two **** about it.

oldogg

Well, the best RTS game sure isn't Company of Heroes or Dawn of War. People who say that Company of Heroes is the best RTS game...I really don't know what they are smoking. I finally played it when it recently went on sale on Steam. It's pretty good. I don't think it's that fantastic. And C & C, I don't know why people like those games at all. I think the C & C games are a mess in general. The pacing just feels all wrong. Age of the Empires...*snooze*. SOASE is a very good game, but not so much for multiplayer. Warcraft III does not really have the same breadth of strategy. It's more about micromanaging and racing to level up heroes.

So...that leaves what exactly? I'm guessing you think some of those games are better than SC2. I wholly disagree. I don't get too particularly excited about any RTS game these days, but as far as the genre goes, SC2 is king of the hill in my book.

Meh... Starcraft 2 is solid. Though there isnt enough to separate it to be king, it lacks a lot of strategy. Company of Heroes is great! Except its not real balanced, or wasnt for the longest time. If I had to make a list of 3 or 4 games that could compete for a top spot it would be, in my opinion of course:

Homeworld

Supreme Commander Forged Alliance

Starcraft 2

Company of Heroes

All these games are good and offer something that the others dont... people will have their own opinion about whats best and what is not. If you took a poll from the gaming community I dont think any RTS would have majority.

Meh... Starcraft 2 is solid. Though there isnt enough to separate it to be king, it lacks a lot of strategy.

Chrypt22

How do you figure? Strategy comes from balance. The more balanced a game is, the more viable strategies it has.

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Meh... Starcraft 2 is solid. Though there isnt enough to separate it to be king, it lacks a lot of strategy.

KHAndAnime

How do you figure? Strategy comes from balance. The more balanced a game is, the more viable strategies it has.

Its too rock papaer scissors.. its not a bad game, dont get me wrong... I enjoy SC2. Its just not the best, some people might think it is, and for them it is... for me its not. MMM is not strategy, nor is mass void rays or carriers. Take Supreme Commander for example, there is a LOT of strategy involved, almost too much. There is so much to keep track of in that game and the maps are so big that you could almost have 2 people running 1 faction, but the strategy is much deeper. There are things that hold that game back too.

I think if you took Starcrafts balance and mixed it with Company of Heroes strat lets say... that would be a pretty gamn good RTS.

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Meh... Starcraft 2 is solid. Though there isnt enough to separate it to be king, it lacks a lot of strategy.

Chrypt22

How do you figure? Strategy comes from balance. The more balanced a game is, the more viable strategies it has.

Its too rock papaer scissors.. its not a bad game, dont get me wrong... I enjoy SC2. Its just not the best, some people might think it is, and for them it is... for me its not. MMM is not strategy, nor is mass void rays or carriers. Take Supreme Commander for example, there is a LOT of strategy involved, almost too much. There is so much to keep track of in that game and the maps are so big that you could almost have 2 people running 1 faction, but the strategy is much deeper. There are things that hold that game back too.

I think if you took Starcrafts balance and mixed it with Company of Heroes strat lets say... that would be a pretty gamn good RTS.

Since when does simple MMM, mass void rays, or carriers win games? Hell, nobody even masses carriers in SC2. Every build has a counter. The strategy comes not only from what units you build, but from how you use them and how you control the map. There's much more to it than you make out to be.

There's a sticky for Starcraft 2 discussion...psych0mantra

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How do you figure? Strategy comes from balance. The more balanced a game is, the more viable strategies it has.

KHAndAnime

Its too rock papaer scissors.. its not a bad game, dont get me wrong... I enjoy SC2. Its just not the best, some people might think it is, and for them it is... for me its not. MMM is not strategy, nor is mass void rays or carriers. Take Supreme Commander for example, there is a LOT of strategy involved, almost too much. There is so much to keep track of in that game and the maps are so big that you could almost have 2 people running 1 faction, but the strategy is much deeper. There are things that hold that game back too.

I think if you took Starcrafts balance and mixed it with Company of Heroes strat lets say... that would be a pretty gamn good RTS.

Since when does simple MMM, mass void rays, or carriers win games? Hell, nobody even masses carriers in SC2. Every build has a counter. The strategy comes not only from what units you build, but from how you use them and how you control the map. There's much more to it than you make out to be.

MMM wins a lot, if someone gets around 10 - 12 carriers then its over, void rays arent always a lock, but can be early game. I think you feel like I'm saying its a bad game, its not a bad game... its good not great, in my opinion. You think differently and thats fine, there are others that agree with you and those that dont. I just think there are other games out there that have a little more substance. I dont know if there is a RTS game that doesnt lack something... I guess a lot of it depends on your style :/

Starcraft 2 is essentially a refreshment of the original. It is based on balanced gameplay not new experimental features that arent fully realized. The original was made popular because of the pro gaming circuit, and starcraft 2 is helping to greatly expand it.

There is literally, well over 100k dollars on the line every month from starcraft 2 competitions. This drives balance. Balance makes a game consistently fun, not just for the pros.

Plus i like playing FPS zombie shooters in my RTS, Not many can claim to do that.

StarCraft just like Warcraft, in fact it is a good game ,true..

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Its too rock papaer scissors.. its not a bad game, dont get me wrong... I enjoy SC2. Its just not the best, some people might think it is, and for them it is... for me its not. MMM is not strategy, nor is mass void rays or carriers. Take Supreme Commander for example, there is a LOT of strategy involved, almost too much. There is so much to keep track of in that game and the maps are so big that you could almost have 2 people running 1 faction, but the strategy is much deeper. There are things that hold that game back too.

I think if you took Starcrafts balance and mixed it with Company of Heroes strat lets say... that would be a pretty gamn good RTS.

Chrypt22

Since when does simple MMM, mass void rays, or carriers win games? Hell, nobody even masses carriers in SC2. Every build has a counter. The strategy comes not only from what units you build, but from how you use them and how you control the map. There's much more to it than you make out to be.

MMM wins a lot, if someone gets around 10 - 12 carriers then its over, void rays arent always a lock, but can be early game. I think you feel like I'm saying its a bad game, its not a bad game... its good not great, in my opinion. You think differently and thats fine, there are others that agree with you and those that dont. I just think there are other games out there that have a little more substance. I dont know if there is a RTS game that doesnt lack something... I guess a lot of it depends on your style :/

Learn to counter.

Psi storm easily takes care of MMM.

it had some interesting detailed strategic potential, lots of different units, etc.. in the right hands it can be a game of chess,, just look on youtube for professional sc2 players posting videos, its interesting how elaborate and unique their strategies can be

its ridiculously overrated. there's nothing great about it at all. if it had been released under another name secretly by blizz... no one would give two **** about it.

oldogg

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

So all I see when someone mentions the words "best RTS ever" loads of people immediately say starcraft 2. I played the other day, and while it is not a bad game I can think of quite a few RTS's which are better than it. Of course that is just my opinion but is there something i am missing?

bobbyjobby2

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Its too rock papaer scissors.. its not a bad game, dont get me wrong... I enjoy SC2. Its just not the best, some people might think it is, and for them it is... for me its not. MMM is not strategy, nor is mass void rays or carriers. Take Supreme Commander for example, there is a LOT of strategy involved, almost too much. There is so much to keep track of in that game and the maps are so big that you could almost have 2 people running 1 faction, but the strategy is much deeper. There are things that hold that game back too.

I think if you took Starcrafts balance and mixed it with Company of Heroes strat lets say... that would be a pretty gamn good RTS.

Chrypt22

Since when does simple MMM, mass void rays, or carriers win games? Hell, nobody even masses carriers in SC2. Every build has a counter. The strategy comes not only from what units you build, but from how you use them and how you control the map. There's much more to it than you make out to be.

MMM wins a lot, if someone gets around 10 - 12 carriers then its over, void rays arent always a lock, but can be early game. I think you feel like I'm saying its a bad game, its not a bad game... its good not great, in my opinion. You think differently and thats fine, there are others that agree with you and those that dont. I just think there are other games out there that have a little more substance. I dont know if there is a RTS game that doesnt lack something... I guess a lot of it depends on your style :/

I think you underestimate the amount of strategy used in advanced competitive play. Starcraft 2 is the most competitive RTS for a reason you know...

I think you meant RTS.....lolFelipeInside

In terms of stretegic depth both Starcraft games trump just about everything else handily. 5 years from now people will still be coming up with new strategies.

In most other RTS games, people quickly figure out a few overpowered tricks that get exploited to no end, and the entire game becomes about those handful of tricks. The game never gets patched because of lack of support, and subsequently it is slowly forgotten.

So all I see when someone mentions the words "best RTS ever" loads of people immediately say starcraft 2. I played the other day, and while it is not a bad game I can think of quite a few RTS's which are better than it. Of course that is just my opinion but is there something i am missing?

bobbyjobby2

I thought StarCraft 2 was a great game. The single player experience was pretty amazing and the multiplayer is addictive as hell. Some of the custom maps out now are really quit something as well.

It is the best Multiplayer RTS.

I thought it was absolutely brilliant. The varied missions were something I could appreciate in an RTS game, let alone a video game.

its ridiculously overrated. there's nothing great about it at all. if it had been released under another name secretly by blizz... no one would give two **** about it.

oldogg

It has an absolutely unrivaled single player design with 29 missions of which not a single one is similar to any other, it's the only RTS since the first Starcraft that has very well balanced races despite the extremely different mechanics they have, it has the most complete map editor ever seen in an strategy game.

"Nothing great about it at all"? You don't even know what you're talking about.

Its too rock paper scissors.. its not a bad game, dont get me wrong... I enjoy SC2. Its just not the best, some people might think it is, and for them it is... for me its not. MMM is not strategy, nor is mass void rays or carriers. Take Supreme Commander for example, there is a LOT of strategy involved, almost too much. There is so much to keep track of in that game and the maps are so big that you could almost have 2 people running 1 faction, but the strategy is much deeper. There are things that hold that game back too.

I think if you took Starcrafts balance and mixed it with Company of Heroes strat lets say... that would be a pretty gamn good RTS.

Chrypt22

Indeed, that's why one of the most popular progamers comes from SupCom and hasn't looked back to it ever since he got into the SC2 scene, right?

If you think MMM and void rays alone can win a game, anyone can safely tell you have absolutely no idea of what you're doing.

i am a fanatic about the original... and it took me a while to get into the 2nd nearly as much...

it definitely takes time- its deepr than the game comes off... but i am slowly realizing just how unbelievable this game is...

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]I think you meant RTS.....lolkdawg88