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#51 kaitanuvax
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Well how do you explain I7 gets obliterated in many gaming benchmarks on CF configurations? Hm, how is i5 faster then when it is inferior? BRIBE

http://www.modreactor.com/english/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920.html

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii_965/10.html

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3533&p=8

In our previous testing with the 8.12 drivers, the Intel systems would generate minimum frame rates in the 23~24fps range on a couple of runs and then jump to their current results or higher on the others. Guess what, we still noticed that problem with the 9.3 drivers. However, the hitch and pausing we encountered previously was mitigated somewhat in our new tests. It was only in intensive ground scenes with numerous units that we really noticed the problem and it was primarily with the Q9550 platform. Both Phenom II systems had extremely stable frame rates along with very fluid game play during the heavy action sequences.

What about the game play experience? As we mentioned earlier, the Intel Q9550 platform had some problems with minimum frame rates throughout testing - not just in the benchmarks, but also during game play in various levels and online. The i7 platform would behave in the same manner at times, but the game play experience with it has certainly improved with the 9.3 driver set and BIOS upgrades. The problem is very likely driver related in some manner (as the man who helped to start DirectX once put it, "the drivers are always broken"), but nevertheless this continues to be a problem on the two Intel platforms.

I fail to see how the I5 can be better than those two then. Oh, but I do: B R I B E

Slig0

The madman calling others mad. Love how you selectively handpicked the few instances where the 965 shined, you must have took quite some pains to do so.

It's very sad that you are criticizing AMD when you have an exceptional AMD rig yourself. Actually the Phenom 955 is at $199 (even cheaper than that I think) and it's only 200 MHz slower and still pretty much performs identical to the Phenom 965. Please don't be so pessimistic about AMD. In fact the core i5 doesn't even have hyper-threading support like the core i7 does. Also you can still use DDR2 RAM with the Phenom 2 AM3 CPUs because the AM3 CPUs have a DDR2 integrated memory controller and a DDR3 integrated memory controller. UltimateGamer95

The fact that I own a AMD processor does not require me to oblige to them. I don't allow my judgment to be clouded by the brand of the product, but the product itself. Why should I narrow myself so? Wouldn't it be more logical to NOT choose sides, but instead take whatever's the best from both worlds?

On you comment about hyperthreading, the core i5 may not have that, but it does have turbo, which noticeably makes up the ground it lost in hyperthreading. This can be seen in numerous benchmarks, as the core i5 is only a hair away from its brother's speed.

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#52 UltimateGamer95
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[QUOTE="Slig0"]

Well how do you explain I7 gets obliterated in many gaming benchmarks on CF configurations? Hm, how is i5 faster then when it is inferior? BRIBE

http://www.modreactor.com/english/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920.html

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pii_965/10.html

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3533&p=8

In our previous testing with the 8.12 drivers, the Intel systems would generate minimum frame rates in the 23~24fps range on a couple of runs and then jump to their current results or higher on the others. Guess what, we still noticed that problem with the 9.3 drivers. However, the hitch and pausing we encountered previously was mitigated somewhat in our new tests. It was only in intensive ground scenes with numerous units that we really noticed the problem and it was primarily with the Q9550 platform. Both Phenom II systems had extremely stable frame rates along with very fluid game play during the heavy action sequences.

What about the game play experience? As we mentioned earlier, the Intel Q9550 platform had some problems with minimum frame rates throughout testing - not just in the benchmarks, but also during game play in various levels and online. The i7 platform would behave in the same manner at times, but the game play experience with it has certainly improved with the 9.3 driver set and BIOS upgrades. The problem is very likely driver related in some manner (as the man who helped to start DirectX once put it, "the drivers are always broken"), but nevertheless this continues to be a problem on the two Intel platforms.

I fail to see how the I5 can be better than those two then. Oh, but I do: B R I B E

kaitanuvax

The madman calling others mad. Love how you selectively handpicked the few instances where the 965 shined, you must have took quite some pains to do so.

It's very sad that you are criticizing AMD when you have an exceptional AMD rig yourself. Actually the Phenom 955 is at $199 (even cheaper than that I think) and it's only 200 MHz slower and still pretty much performs identical to the Phenom 965. Please don't be so pessimistic about AMD. In fact the core i5 doesn't even have hyper-threading support like the core i7 does. Also you can still use DDR2 RAM with the Phenom 2 AM3 CPUs because the AM3 CPUs have a DDR2 integrated memory controller and a DDR3 integrated memory controller. UltimateGamer95

The fact that I own a AMD processor does not require me to oblige to them. I don't allow my judgment to be clouded by the brand of the product, but the product itself. Why should I narrow myself so? Wouldn't it be more logical to NOT choose sides, but instead take whatever's the best from both worlds?

On you comment about hyperthreading, the core i5 may not have that, but it does have turbo, which noticeably makes up the ground it lost in hyperthreading. This can be seen in numerous benchmarks, as the core i5 is only a hair away from its brother's speed.

Well then perhaps you should build yourself a nice core i5 system then I guess you will have the best of both worlds! But you do like your AMD system right? why else would you spend your hard earned money on it?
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#53 kaitanuvax
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Well then perhaps you should build yourself a nice core i5 system then I guess you will have the best of both worlds! But you do like your AMD system right? why else would you spend your hard earned money on it?UltimateGamer95

...I don't know where to start. Hmm, how about, I'm still in high school and this is a prebuilt I've got way before I learned about PC hardware, and onto which I've added a real video card and PSU?

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#54 RedxSniper
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[QUOTE="UltimateGamer95"] Well then perhaps you should build yourself a nice core i5 system then I guess you will have the best of both worlds! But you do like your AMD system right? why else would you spend your hard earned money on it?kaitanuvax

...I don't know where to start. Hmm, how about, I'm still in high school and this is a prebuilt I've got way before I learned about PC hardware, and onto which I've added a real video card and PSU?

Sounds good too me :P
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#55 UltimateGamer95
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[QUOTE="UltimateGamer95"] Well then perhaps you should build yourself a nice core i5 system then I guess you will have the best of both worlds! But you do like your AMD system right? why else would you spend your hard earned money on it?kaitanuvax

...I don't know where to start. Hmm, how about, I'm still in high school and this is a prebuilt I've got way before I learned about PC hardware, and onto which I've added a real video card and PSU?

Ha ha learning about PC hardware isn't that hard. Hey I'm a girl and I did it so why shouldn't you be able to? LOL. Sorry but perhaps I missed the context of your sentence.

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#56 kaitanuvax
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[QUOTE="kaitanuvax"]

[QUOTE="UltimateGamer95"] Well then perhaps you should build yourself a nice core i5 system then I guess you will have the best of both worlds! But you do like your AMD system right? why else would you spend your hard earned money on it?UltimateGamer95

...I don't know where to start. Hmm, how about, I'm still in high school and this is a prebuilt I've got way before I learned about PC hardware, and onto which I've added a real video card and PSU?

Ha ha learning about PC hardware isn't that hard. Hey I'm a girl and I did it so why shouldn't you be able to? LOL. Sorry but perhaps I missed the context of your sentence.

Yeah...completely missed it, lol. You suggested I get a i5, assumed I built my own rig, and assumed I got it with my money. Nope...not going to/didn't happen.

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#57 smc91352
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Processor - Phenom II X2 550 - $102
Motherboard - MSI 790FX-GD70 - $165
RAM memory - mushkin 4GB DDR3 1600 Dual - $122
Video Card - WAIT FOR ATI's NEW CARDS - $400
Hard Drive - Seagate 1TB 7200.12 - $85
Optical Drive - Sony Optiarc DVD Burner with LightScribe - $34
Power Supply - OCZ ModXStream Pro Series 80+ 600W - $55
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 - $140
Operating System - Windows Vista 64-bit Home Premium w/ Windows 7 upgrade - $110

Subtotal's $1213 and if I may say pretty kick-ass

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Processor - Phenom II X2 550 - $102
Motherboard - MSI 790FX-GD70 - $165
RAM memory - mushkin 4GB DDR3 1600 Dual - $122
Video Card - WAIT FOR ATI's NEW CARDS - $400
Hard Drive - Seagate 1TB 7200.12 - $85
Optical Drive - Sony Optiarc DVD Burner with LightScribe - $34
Power Supply - OCZ ModXStream Pro Series 80+ 600W - $55
Case - COOLER MASTER HAF 932 - $140
Operating System - Windows Vista 64-bit Home Premium w/ Windows 7 upgrade - $110

Subtotal's $1213 and if I may say pretty kick-ass

smc91352

just read your original post and you seem to only want i7-920 builds. You won't find a build as good as this one. And I wouldn't suggest you choose an i7 'cause its gonna lower your budget for the video card. If you see the one I suggested, it has the best card and this was only possible 'cause you don't wast cash trying to get CPU power should get you better results.

You are not gonna get better results with the i7 'cause whatever video card you get won't compete with this build.